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Post by princedice1 on Aug 24, 2012 23:19:47 GMT -5
I personally find Ginny and Ron bashing to be very amusing especially when they end up making themselves look like idiots.
I prefer Harmony over the canon parings because Hermione intelligence goes hand and hand with Harry's rashness.
I just dislike the Ron/Hermione pairing because I feel like they're the type of couple that usually ends with a divorce considering all the spats they got into in the books. Harry/Ginny stinks as a couple, it just reeks of JK wanting OBHWF, which I find to very unrealistic.
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Post by physicssquid on Aug 25, 2012 7:08:22 GMT -5
What does OBHWF stand for?
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 25, 2012 7:09:50 GMT -5
One Big Happy Weasley Family, I believe.
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Post by physicssquid on Aug 25, 2012 7:11:32 GMT -5
Oh. Thx.
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Post by blackroses77 on Aug 25, 2012 9:55:46 GMT -5
I don't hate Ginny as a character but I don't like ginny/harry. I prefer fics where ginny is a good friend/sister to harry or ginny uses spells and/or potions only because dumbledore or someone put a spell on her to make her do it. But I don't mind ginny bashing, I'll still read a story with ginny bashing in it but I prefer good ginny.
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Post by Libsrocks on Nov 13, 2016 15:13:42 GMT -5
I like Ginny as a character and I definitely approve of Harry and Ginny as a couple.
Some readers hate Ginny because her pairing with Harry made it impossible for Harry/Hermione to become a couple.
Some readers simply don't find her worthy of being Harry's girlfirnend. Personally I differ on this. I don't get what gem of a person or brilliant Harry is that even an awesome girl like Ginny does not deserve him?
Is Ginny weak?
No. Ginny grew up to be a really strong headed and mature character. She does not need her parents, her brother or even The Chosen one to fight her battles. She did not spend her time at Hogwarts by crying over her break up with Harry. She did all she could to help younger students survive the torture of Carrows and even took active part in defying Voldemort's reign at Hogwarts.
Is Ginny immature?
I don't believe her to be so. Ginny is mature enough to understand Harry's reason for breaking up with her. Ginny is mature enough to over look her own feelings for Harry and advise him regarding his relationship with Cho. Ginny is mature enough to not judge a person based on their looks or reputation. She was the one to befriend Luna and even Neville even though his own classmates underestimated him. Even Harry was never eager to be in his company simply because he never found Neville interesting enough to be friends with him. Ginny is mature enough to not complain about discomforts during the second wizarding war or crib about her past with Voldemort. She was mature enough to tak Hermione's advice and let go off Harry even if just for a while.
I simply cannot understand the hatred she receives as a character.
I think Ginny is hated by those who think she did not develop as a character. Granted she was not the focus of Harry's thoughts until his sixth year but that does not means she was not developing. JKR had thrown subtle hints about Ginny's character development. She had already grown out of her fan-girl mode in fourth year. Harry did note that she could easily talk to him in his fifth year. Her brothers have confessed about her outspoken personality and she has reflected few aspects of her personality by being friends with Luna and even standing up for Neville. She knew how to maintain her self respect by not annoying Harry with her uneasy behavior around him or by not trying to seduce him in indirect manners. Until Harry confessed his feelings for her, she never hinted that she wants Harry to be with her and only her or accept her feelings out of force. She remained a good friend and did her best to help him whenever she could.
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Post by Libsrocks on Nov 13, 2016 15:26:23 GMT -5
I personally find Ginny and Ron bashing to be very amusing especially when they end up making themselves look like idiots. I prefer Harmony over the canon parings because Hermione intelligence goes hand and hand with Harry's rashness. I just dislike the Ron/Hermione pairing because I feel like they're the type of couple that usually ends with a divorce considering all the spats they got into in the books. Harry/Ginny stinks as a couple, it just reeks of JK wanting OBHWF, which I find to very unrealistic. Yes! Harry & Hermione are ideal couple even if they think of each other as siblings, clash over ego and views and Hermione quakes in fear whenever Harry gets angry. Those who think Ron and Hermione are type of couple that end up with divorces must be people who saw lots of divorces over small issues. I for one know many couple that are as opposite as Ron and Hermione but still happily married. I do not think others can determine what makes someone's marriage successful or a failure. |
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Post by Kitty279 on Nov 17, 2016 14:37:54 GMT -5
Hermione quakes in fear when Harry's angry? Sorry, but that's not how I read the books. Not to mention that the only book where he was really angry was OotP, where any normal boy would have been deeply traumatised and was let down by every single adult.
As for Ron and Hermione, okay, you think it's perfectly normal that a guy is insulting and belittling a woman all the time and she then thinks he's the best husband in the world. There are masochists out like that. Personally, if any of my friends behaved like that, I'd kick them out of my place straight away and cut any contact. Having different opinions and discussing them, or teasing each other is one thing, but what they did was not my idea of a functioning relationship. Oh well, I have learned already that it's useless to argue about that; we are all entitled to our own view on relationships and other things.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Nov 18, 2016 8:03:05 GMT -5
Yes! Harry & Hermione are ideal couple even if they think of each other as siblings
This argument would be far weightier if either of them had the faintest clue what having a sibling was like.
Harry's childhood was emotionally abusive, if anything his perception of having a sibling would have been an automatically negative one because of Dudley. We know nothing about Hermione's childhood but we do know she was an overly intelligent, outspoken, bookish only child. I've been that kid and it's not wonderfully conducive to close peer relationships. And then Hermione's relationship with her family during the books is basically non-existent.
And I can't say that being friends with Ron and thus observing the variety of Weasley sibling relationships would make that any clearer. If anything the Weasley siblings are even more confusing than most sibling relationships because of the sheer number of them and thus the number of different interpersonal relationships.
If there's one thing I felt rang true about The Thing I Am Refusing To Call Canon it was this line "I’m operating without wires here. Most people at least have a dad to base themselves on – and either try to be or try not to be. I’ve got nothing – or very little." That's Harry talking about how he's not entirely sure how to be a good parent because his experience with having parents is limited. Yes there was Uncle Vernon but 'not abusive' is a really broad thing to try and be, especially when you've had no kind of help to actually come to terms with your own abuse.
What I'm saying is that even if two completely emotionally healthy only children think of each other as siblings, it's still more in the nature of 'we think of each other as what we think a positive sibling relationship is like'. Unless we're literally talking about the Westermarck Effect. I'm also going to take a moment to remember that just because two people share a biological connection does not automatically mean they are going to get on or their relationship is going to be good.
I think that in Harry and Hermione's case, they both have strong positive feelings towards one another and no way to categorise it. The books end when they're still basically children (apart from the epilogue and The Thing I Am Refusing To Call Canon) which leaves a whole lot of time for the change and growth of relationships into something which, yeah, I think could have ended up romantic.
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Post by Kitty279 on Nov 19, 2016 5:02:00 GMT -5
Remembered that argument about them not knowing what siblings really would be like only after being away from the PC, so thank you for saving me the trouble to add that  You know, there's another thing I find hilarious: Until relatively recently, a good many of the fans believed that Charlus and Dorea Potter were Harry's grandparents. Which means that, according to the Black family tree, Harry's grandmother would have been the first cousin of Cedrella Weasley, who is probably Ginny's grandmother. So Ginny and Harry are cousins. But a lot of the same fans then go for a Harry/Ginny pairing and consider it practically incest if he would be paired with Hermione instead. But it has nothing to do with incest if Harry marries his blood cousin, right? |
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Post by physicssquid on Nov 19, 2016 14:22:43 GMT -5
There are people who still believe that Charlus and Dorea Potter were Harry's grandparents, which, if Cedrella Weasley was Ginny's gradmother, would make Harry and Ginny third cousins.
I am of the opinion that the squick factor in third cousins marrying each other, is marginally better than Sirius' parents, who were second cousins.
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And there is also the fact that I'm almost positive that in the Gaunt family, there were marriages between siblings, as well as a few who had children with their aunts, uncles, parents and/or grandparents as well, which is far worse than second or third cousins.
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Post by Kitty279 on Nov 20, 2016 3:12:12 GMT -5
Can't blame them when you consider what names JKR came up with *shudder* Admittedly, I never believed that Charlus and Dorea were James' parents, because it didn't fit too well with what JKR said about them and because Sirius should have mentioned them in OotP when they looked at the tapestry, but I refuse to accept these horrible names, either.
Yeah, a bit better, but in my eyes still too closely related. And much more incestuous than Harry/Hermione could ever be.
Agreed. Actually, I have seen the theory a few times that Marvolo wanted Morfin and Merope to marry, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually true. They would never have realised that it would have been the best way to breed their family out of existence.
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