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Post by brokenquill92 on Sept 19, 2012 20:12:25 GMT -5
Is Hermione a fanfiction slut
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Post by brokenquill92 on Sept 19, 2012 20:13:20 GMT -5
This applies to Harry as well
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 19, 2012 23:53:51 GMT -5
And seems to be pretty unrealistic, when you look at canon. I find it rather annoying and rather avoid that sort of story.
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Post by Chameleon on Sept 20, 2012 13:22:37 GMT -5
I hate slut!Hermione and slut!Harry. and slut... well many people. H
ermione is pretty uptight. I've got nothing against a bit OC'ness, but to make her a slut ... *shakes head* That's to much.
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Post by readingdeatheater on Sept 20, 2012 13:42:51 GMT -5
I can't stand Slut Harry fic's and i don't really read Hermione however she does not strike me as a Slut, some people do have a tendency to make the Characters Polyamorous and that is one of the things that i can not stand.
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Post by brokenquill92 on Sept 20, 2012 14:08:35 GMT -5
I actually find that really insulting to people who are poly they're basically saying that if you're poly you're a slut
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Post by readingdeatheater on Sept 20, 2012 14:52:01 GMT -5
sorry no offence meant, The comment was more about the value of Monogamy, what i should have said was people who have multiple one night stands and such.
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Post by G. Novella on Sept 21, 2012 15:58:09 GMT -5
I think too many people choose Hermione as a feature character and then because they can't decide which guy they want, go for poly relationships. It's actually quite grating because they change her personality completely. I had an argument yesterday with my friend on why Hermione's a manipulative bitch (I for it) to try and explain why people seem to make Hermione this idolized character and use her as a Mary-Suish character, or think they can get away with inserting themselves as Hermione, or even try and relate to Hermione on the grounds that she likes to read but they may not share other traits, or just because she's the main female protagonist. It's actually quite annoying and grr.
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Post by Chameleon on Sept 21, 2012 16:03:21 GMT -5
I think Hermione is a kind girl with good intentions, but she often manipulates the people around her. She has a little bit of Mary Sue, but that's it. People seem to overdo it since she's a over-achiever. I've never considered her as a genius, she was good, but well. Most over-achievers are.
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Post by G. Novella on Sept 21, 2012 16:06:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I do like Hermione, it's just, I feel like people over-glorify her way too much, including her own author (grr) That's where the argument started. Then I went on to explain how Hermione's a bitchy person, and can be manipulative. It helped that I've argued this on the site  |
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Post by Chameleon on Sept 21, 2012 16:08:12 GMT -5
Yeah. Suddenly she's this perfect girl who can manage everything, and everyone agrees with her, so her rage won't come over them. I think it's annoying when people submit to Hermione, only in fear of what she can do with them in the fics.
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Post by G. Novella on Sept 21, 2012 16:10:37 GMT -5
*Nods in agreement* Especially since she's not right a good portion of the time! Sure she's got fact smarts, but she's about as street smart as Luna. Which is funny since she considered herself smarter to Luan.
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Post by Chameleon on Sept 21, 2012 16:16:29 GMT -5
Yeah. I think Harry is the one who has the street smarts. Hermione is also pretty arrogant. Her actions toward Luna showed it. I mean, Luna, was one of the few people who was kind toward Harry in the fifth book, and Hermione didn't treat her kindly.
We've never gotten it confirmed, and it's mostly fanon, but I think Hermione is that kind of girl who gets disappointed/annoyed if anyone gets a higher grade than herself. Actually, in the third book, when Lupin asked Harry something, Hermione shoved her hand up, and was disappointed, when Harry got the right answer.
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Post by G. Novella on Sept 21, 2012 16:20:20 GMT -5
Sixth book potions class. Confirms it. Hermione was extremely jealous of Harry, and to a certain degree, this 'Prince' character for being better than her at potions.
Exactly my point! You do not be rude to people who are nice to you, no matter how odd, especially when you're in a position of hatred. Better yet, Luna never even spoke to Hermione before-hand! It was just preconceived notions on Hermione's part, like the thing with Fleur, the house-elf thing, and more that I can't think off at the moment.
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Post by Chameleon on Sept 21, 2012 16:31:53 GMT -5
Oh yes. The house-elf thing was one of the thing that annoyed me greatly. Hermione had only met Dobby who was one of a kind, and she then automatically assumed that every single house-elf would want to be freed, and when everyone told her to leave them alone, she just brushed them off. Even the adults. And that's one of her arrogant tendencies, that she thinks she knows better than everyone.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 22, 2012 2:31:43 GMT -5
Completely agree with you two. It always struck me as rather hypocritical that Hermione on the one hand nags Harry and Ron to work more, but on the other hand gets all bitchy when she's outperformed. Third and sixth year were more than enough proof for that, and I am certain she initiated the DA only because she wanted to keep her Defense marks up, not so much out of concern for others. Or look at how she keeps berating the boys for rulebreaking when she herself bullied them into that polyjuice potion thing. She always wants to decide everything, even when, what and how they learn for school, while not understanding that others may learn better in another way than herself.
Hermione gives me the impression that she thinks she knows best (like Dumbledore) and that only her opinion counts. When someone else is not agreeing, then they are brainwashed and biased, because she can't accept that she might be wrong. SPEW was a prime example for that.
The way she went behind Harry's back on a regular basis (the Firebolt incident, the Skeeter interview and the number of people she invited to the DA) annoyed me quite a bit. As did the fact that JKR had Harry argue about it only when it came to the Firebolt, while he just accepted everything else. Or look at how she disregards Crookshank's attacks on Scabbers as natural and even brings her cat into the boy's dormitory. What are you willing to bet that if someone brought a dog who chased Crookshanks all the time, she's not accept that as natural and throw a fit all the time?
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Post by Chameleon on Sept 22, 2012 2:53:00 GMT -5
Yeah. Harry just accepted everything after they turned friends. In the beginning of PS, he didn't accept it, but as soon they turn friends - "Oh." With exception in the Firebolt case. in RtB's fics, people often yell at Harry and Ron for making Hermione sad, or something like that, but when the tables are turned, no one says anything. Hypocritical.
Yeah. She had no respect for Ron's pet. I know Scabbers was Peter, but they didn't know that on that time. Hermione was willing to lose her best friend for her cat. A freaking cat. She promised in the beginning that she would keep him in the girls dormitory, but then hauls him off to the boys.
I'm allergic to cats myself, but I bet if anyone was allergic, Hermione would just brush them off, with that they manage it or something like that.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 22, 2012 3:57:08 GMT -5
That's one of the things I love about Lady Celestial Star's fic. While she is overdoing the abuse too much for my taste, she at least has people tell Hermione when she's tactless (like in the latest chapter her reaction to Ron's uncle dying after seeing the Grim), and I strongly hope someone will tell her off about her attitude abut Scabbers, the Firebolt and everything.
Oh, very likely. You know, if I had a cat and someone visited who's allergic, I'd at least try to keep the problem to a minimum - cleaning and airing the place to remove as much traces of the cat as possible and keep the cat in another room to keep the allergic reaction as much down as possible. But I am not sure Hermione would do the same. Isn't it interesting how she fights for house-elf rights, but disregards other people's rights? Save these rights are what she herself wants, of course.
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Post by Chameleon on Sept 22, 2012 4:38:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I've never really read Lady Celestial Star's fic, mainly because I think the abuse in there is pretty overdoing, but it's a nice fic, from what I've figured. Yeah... Some authors have other people call Hermione out, but then Harry defends her, that they shouldn't say something like that or something, and Hermione gets teary. I've never thought of her as a teary person.
Well, I don't care that much, unless you owned six cats, because then I really notice it. But if I'm just visiting for a couple hours, I don't get allergic... Well, my auntie's cat is pretty much a 'loner' if you say so. He almost always stays away when there's guests. The only people he likes is my aunt and my cousin.
But imagine if one of the girls in Hermione's dorm was allergic, then it wouldn't be very good, and Hermione would throw a fit about it, and talk about that she has rights to keep a cat in there. She's a good person overall, but she often only thinks of herself. Sometimes Harry too, but mostly herself.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 22, 2012 5:18:03 GMT -5
Another thing I dislike, Harry defending Hermione when she gets told off with good reason.
Ah, if that's normal, then it wouldn't be so difficult. Well, I guess talking with the guest beforehand would help to figure out how to deal with the problem. As I don't have a cat, the problem has never arisen.
That would certainly be an interesting question how Hermione would react in that case ... looking at the Scabbers example, she'd probably not even see reason to keep her cat from the bed of the allergic one. Crookshanks has the right to get everywhere, after all.
You really have to wonder why she's more interested in rights for creatures than for humans and how it worked out to have her at the Ministry later on.
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Post by Miss Wings on Sept 22, 2012 9:25:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I've never really read Lady Celestial Star's fic, mainly because I think the abuse in there is pretty overdoing, but it's a nice fic, from what I've figured. Yeah... Some authors have other people call Hermione out, but then Harry defends her, that they shouldn't say something like that or something, and Hermione gets teary. I've never thought of her as a teary person. Well, I don't care that much, unless you owned six cats, because then I really notice it. But if I'm just visiting for a couple hours, I don't get allergic... Well, my auntie's cat is pretty much a 'loner' if you say so. He almost always stays away when there's guests. The only people he likes is my aunt and my cousin. But imagine if one of the girls in Hermione's dorm was allergic, then it wouldn't be very good, and Hermione would throw a fit about it, and talk about that she has rights to keep a cat in there. She's a good person overall, but she often only thinks of herself. Sometimes Harry too, but mostly herself. |
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 22, 2012 9:39:33 GMT -5
Yes, Wingy, that's exactly the part I was thinking of when I mentioned the story. It was very well done, and despite my problems with the abuse, the author does a good job on other parts, like Hermione's tendency to be rude, tactless and bossy.
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Post by Miss Wings on Sept 22, 2012 9:43:53 GMT -5
Yeah the whole abuse/sirius/remus thing can be overdone but the Hermione bit is brilliantly done..
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Post by Nahara46 on Sept 22, 2012 9:47:45 GMT -5
Here to throw in my two cents, mostly defending Hermione . In my opinion, Hermione isn't selfish or manipulative, she seems to really care about people around her, but just has a really had time admitting she's wrong. For Scabbers VS Crookshanks- This is the main point I will give you, Hermione was a complete idiot during this whole debacle. Then again, so was Ron.... And Harry. Ron just insulted Crookshanks, and snarled at Hermione- I think it would have gone a lot better if he stopped loudly pronouncing that Crookshanks was a monster and if he'd simply told Hermione nicely that he wants her to keep Crookshanks out of the boys dormitory and that he wanted her to take Crookshanks attempts to eat Scabbers seriously. That would have blown over a lot better, because it was a fairly normal response from Hermione the way Ron goes about it... When someone starts telling you to do something in a not so kind was, you immediately try to defend yourself- it's natural instinct. Harry was just staying out of it, when i think he could have done what Ron could have done- explained it politely to Hermione and ask her to try and keep Crookshanks away from Scabbers. Next up, the Firebolt. I never saw anything wrong with how Hermione acted untill people started talking about it... If my friend had a potentially life threatening object, I would ask an expert to look at it. Maybe that is going behind their back, but it's also protecting them- like when you have a suicidal friend, you notify someone. I would have expected McGonagall and Flitwick to be able to check it more quickly then they did (It took them forever!). Hermione should have apologized for doing it, but explain why she had to. For all they knew, it could have been charmed to take Harry straight to Sirius (Who, of course, they thought had wanted to murder Harry at that point.) Also, Harry and Ron didn't exactly take it in good stride... if I'd been Harry, I would have been furious too- but after a few days, I'd cool off and realize why they'd done it. I wouldn't be happy, but I'd stop being horrible. I'll address the others in a bit , I'm hungry now xD |
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 22, 2012 12:09:35 GMT -5
She may care, but at least sometimes she comes over as manipulative to me. The way she asked Harry to meet her in Hogsmeade, but refused to tell him why, and then confronted him with the fact she had set him up for that interview was beyond the pale for me. She knew that he hates attention, that he has no reason to trust Rita, and that he most likely would get more detentions with the Blood Quill, and she still does it behind his back and doesn't care if he wants to do it. That's not how I'd treat a close friend!
You may be right about the Crookshanks incident, but Hermione didn't do anything to diffuse the situation and just brushed Ron's anger and worry off, despite seeing that it only made him more angry. It's only natural that your pet tries to eat your best friend's pet, after all, so why bother caring for his worries? She made the impression that she would think it completely alright if Scabbers got killed - and you wonder why Ron didn't ask nicely?
As for the Firebolt, while her intention was good and understandable, I still believe she should have explained it beforehand, instead of going behind Harry's back. She knows what the broom meant for him. You know, I'd like to know what she would say if she got a much coveted book and Harry had it confiscated behind her back for being dangerous for her ...
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Post by Miss Wings on Sept 22, 2012 12:15:00 GMT -5
What about the DA? Ron wouldn't have even thought of it let alone mentioned the idea, we all know what he's like when it comes to schoolwork..
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Post by Nahara46 on Sept 22, 2012 12:19:52 GMT -5
With Rita, I do agree, Hermione should have told him. However, it's not like she could force him to do the interview, he had the option of just leaving. I think that Hermione didn't think about the blood quill- if she had, I doubt she would have gone through with it.
Also, I see what you mean with the crookshanks incident. I was just pointing out that I think they were all in the wrong there, and I can see why Hermione acted the way she did. However, she should have approached Ron herself and apologized and promised to keep Crookshanks away from Scabbers... I think it was just general stubborness from both of them.
Didn't she try to explain to Harry? Probably could have done with spending a bit more effort on explaining, but is was clear the way he reacted when she suggested it that he wasn't likely to agree. Also, I think that if Hermione got a coveted book that could be dangerous, I think she would have done all she could to check it herself and assume she did it right, and I doubt Harry would go and give it to McGonagall. If he did, Hermione probably would react similarly to Harry, but I think she would have gotten over it and grumble about it every so often, and then really get over it one she got the book back.
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Post by teflonbilly on Sept 22, 2012 16:52:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I've never really read Lady Celestial Star's fic, mainly because I think the abuse in there is pretty overdoing, but it's a nice fic, from what I've figured. Yeah... Some authors have other people call Hermione out, but then Harry defends her, that they shouldn't say something like that or something, and Hermione gets teary. I've never thought of her as a teary person. Well, I don't care that much, unless you owned six cats, because then I really notice it. But if I'm just visiting for a couple hours, I don't get allergic... Well, my auntie's cat is pretty much a 'loner' if you say so. He almost always stays away when there's guests. The only people he likes is my aunt and my cousin. But imagine if one of the girls in Hermione's dorm was allergic, then it wouldn't be very good, and Hermione would throw a fit about it, and talk about that she has rights to keep a cat in there. She's a good person overall, but she often only thinks of herself. Sometimes Harry too, but mostly herself. Meh, I like that they are calling her out about her dismissal about the loss of Arthur's bother (I wish people would remember this more, that Bilius was/could be Arthur's brother, not one of Ron's grandparents' siblings. It brings Ron's extended family closer and it also makes his loss bigger to the family.) But I think that she is being too curt in her dialogue. Dumbledore jumped down Hermione's throat too quickly. LCS needed to have Dumbledore call her out mildly saying that: "Ms. Granger, you are probably being a little too quick in dismissing Mr. Weasley's family tragedy." "But professor, it's just ridiculous to believe that seeing a black dog could kill you." said Hermione with a note of exaspuration that she would never normally show to a professor. With a note of steel, that Harry had not heard often come to the wizened old man ofter, "Ms. Granger, you would be wise to think before you make snap judgements based on your own ignorance. Being that you are muggle-born it is understandable that you may not have the proper frame of reference to approach such statements that sound fanciful or based on folklore. But I can assure that the Grim as an oman of imminent death is quite real and is well documented in several of the more reputable books on divination in the Great Library. I would have thought a witch of such great academic aspirations would have availed herself of those resources before speaking on a subject she knows so little of." Hermione frowned as she looked down on her hands, her cheeks blazing in embarassment." That's a problem I have with too many RtB fics, they are great opportunity for character development and dialogue, but that mostly just have the characters cracking stupid and inane one-liner jokes, rather than as authors, using the resource of the characters looking back on there life and eliciting more for us the readers to enjoy. I do have a question, LCS mentions in the first post of her livejournal that one of the complaints by that guy over at FF.net was her not pairing people up that he liked. What pairings has she had in the story that were objectionable? I'll be honest, if it isn't H/G, R/Hr, I'm not going to read it. TB |
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Post by G. Novella on Sept 22, 2012 17:46:26 GMT -5
While the DA is a great idea, the execution was terrible. So, just because Ron would never have thought of it and Hermione did, does not make her in any way right for starting the club. First off, it was illegal. In the beginning, no it wasn't, but Harry was not in a good limelight anyways, and Hermione then decided to prance around and ask a bunch of strangers and kids Harry's never talked to, without checking if they support him (Zacharius Smith, Marietta anyone?) to join his club. Then she doesn't tell him, forces him to say some words without ANY warning.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 23, 2012 1:50:08 GMT -5
With Rita, I do agree, Hermione should have told him. However, it's not like she could force him to do the interview, he had the option of just leaving. I think that Hermione didn't think about the blood quill- if she had, I doubt she would have gone through with it. Sure, he didn't have to do it. But what if he'd refused? Rita would have used the next chance she got to badmouth him even more, and Hermione would have nagged and pestered him forever and been all out nasty because he ruined her great idea. She's way too convinced that she's always right. Agreed. They all could have handled it better; I just object to Ron getting all the blame and Hermione being portrayed as the only one who was right. I don't know ... if Hermione didn't believe the book was dangerous, she'd be furious to have it taken away. Besides, Harry forgave her after he got the broom back. This left me wondering - the broom probably meant more to Harry, who barely ever got any presents or much of anything that wasn't a hand-me-down from Dudley, than a book could ever mean to Hermione, who was a single child from well-off parents and probably got lots of books to satisfy her never-ending thirst for knowledge. Teflonbilly: I see what you mean, and you are probably right. Though I believe it's hard to get right; depending on our preferences and dislikes, we all tend to write characters too good/bad, bash too fast or not enough to a certain extent. I know I am guilty of that, too! Gnovella: Well said! And it was Hermione who said she'd make sure no one saw the contract with the names, but then left it in the RoR for the IS to find. Can you imagine how she would have torn into Harry if he had made the same mistake? |
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