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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 9, 2012 10:21:43 GMT -5
Why do you pity Molly?
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 9, 2012 12:55:42 GMT -5
I pity her because her attitude will ultimately drive away her children.
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 9, 2012 13:01:12 GMT -5
I thought it already had to some extent. At the beginning of book 1, Ron mentions that Charlies' in Romania, and Bill's in Egypt. Then in book 4, Percy got a job in the ministry and after the tournament disaster, he moved out. Book 5, the twins moved out after opening their joke shop, and then in book 7 Ron left with Harry and Hermione on the Horcrux hunt. I don't know about Ginny.
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 9, 2012 13:03:45 GMT -5
I meant in a more permanent fashion, such as Percy before he changed sides at the final battle. My mother acts a lot like her in many ways, without some of her redeemable characteristics. My parents have already told me when I turn 18 they expect me to be out of the house, and trust me when I say I'd planned on leaving already.
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Post by nightstar on Jul 9, 2012 13:26:30 GMT -5
Well, I pity the fact that she just doesn't think of what her actions are doing. For a woman who prides herself on being a mother, she can't see the problems her children have. It is also that it is largely due to her own actions that her children don't really want her in their life. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 9, 2012 13:30:03 GMT -5
Night, when you put it like that, it is rather sad.
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Post by nightstar on Jul 9, 2012 13:35:45 GMT -5
It's like I said, I both hate her character and I pity the person
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Jul 9, 2012 14:30:13 GMT -5
Well, I pity the fact that she just doesn't think of what her actions are doing. For a woman who prides herself on being a mother, she can't see the problems her children have. It is also that it is largely due to her own actions that her children don't really want her in their life. Also, we don't know what her family life was like. Her mother could have been the same way and she learned from her mother everything that she did to her kids. Parents can make or break their children. Children are always going to be watching to see what the parent does and usually takes on those characteristics when then become adults. Or, her mother wasn't like that, but Molly wished she was and when she became a mother, vowed to not be like her mom. Probably why she was so insistent on somethings. That can also happen. My mom is like that. She vowed never to be like her mother and sometimes she is overbearing on certain subjects because she wants to be better than what her mother was. |
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Post by teehee100 on Jul 9, 2012 19:51:38 GMT -5
Maybe part of the reason she tries so hard is because of her brothers? I mean they did die in the last war. Though does anyone know if they were younger than her or not? Also I both like and dislike her. She ment well, but she was way too controlling. Not to mention all of the issues her children had. Seriously, family counciling anyone?
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Post by dracosfairmaiden on Jul 9, 2012 19:53:56 GMT -5
I agree. I like and hate her. She had her heart in the right place, but her motives and actions were a bit off sometimes.
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 9, 2012 20:05:44 GMT -5
Maybe part of the reason she tries so hard is because of her brothers? I mean they did die in the last war. Though does anyone know if they were younger than her or not? Also I both like and dislike her. She ment well, but she was way too controlling. Not to mention all of the issues her children had. Seriously, family counciling anyone? I thought Fabian and Gideon were about two years younger than Molly, which might explain her actions. |
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Post by teehee100 on Jul 9, 2012 20:20:45 GMT -5
I thought they were younger, but wasn't sure.
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jul 9, 2012 20:23:24 GMT -5
I always wanted to know how much older Fabian and Gideon were than the Marauders but could never figure it out
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 9, 2012 20:36:11 GMT -5
The Harry Potter Wiki says that Fabian and Gideon were born on 7th April 1952, and the oldest of the Marauders, Sirius, was born sometime in late 1959, but I don't know the exact date, just that it was after 1st Sept. The rest of the Marauders were born in 1960.
Remus Lupin - 10th Mar
James Potter - 27th Mar
I don't count Peter as a true Marauder, not after he betrayed James & Lily.
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Jul 9, 2012 20:46:41 GMT -5
Maybe all the death got to her. I mean, a lot of people coming from war zones or hard times have tons of problems. Psychological, emotional, and physical things can come out of stuff like that. Look at World War 2, the Jews and people who were put into concentration camps weren't the only ones effected. Everyone was.
Also, not only was she in a war zone, but she was poor. She couldn't help her children like others could. I see a lot of things that people who lived in the depression being implemented into her life. Though, it never says anything about it, I bet she hoarded stuff.
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 9, 2012 21:01:33 GMT -5
Maybe all the death got to her. I mean, a lot of people coming from war zones or hard times have tons of problems. Psychological, emotional, and physical things can come out of stuff like that. Look at World War 2, the Jews and people who were put into concentration camps weren't the only ones effected. Everyone was. Also, not only was she in a war zone, but she was poor. She couldn't help her children like others could. I see a lot of things that people who lived in the depression being implemented into her life. Though, it never says anything about it, I bet she hoarded stuff. That could also provide some sort of explanation as to why Voldemort turned out the way he did. He grew up in an orphanage in London, during the Great Depression, and kept being sent back during his Hogwarts years, so he would have seen first hand what the Blitz was like. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 9, 2012 21:02:40 GMT -5
All of that makes a lot of sense. People never really stop to think about it because it's a fictional story, but yeah, I can see that as a good explanation.
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Post by teehee100 on Jul 9, 2012 21:13:54 GMT -5
Hadn't thought about that. Although the fact that Psychology is missing from the wizarding world in general explains a lot of things. I wish someone would write a story with one of the muggleborn's parents as a psychologist just to see what would happen. That and someone explains that the whole idea of killing off all muggles just doesn't work. In that A) the population is bigger and B) muggles out gun them...literally.
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Jul 9, 2012 21:58:20 GMT -5
Neville's parents are in St. Mungoes. Wouldn't that be psychological?
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 9, 2012 22:01:25 GMT -5
They don't seem to be being treated though. They just seem to be looked after like nurses at old peoples' homes look after the elderly.
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Post by teehee100 on Jul 9, 2012 22:02:51 GMT -5
Yes, but that is psych trauma. However no one can do anything for them. And Psychology is essentially the study of why we do what we do. There doesn't seem to be much of that in the world of HP.
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Post by blackroses77 on Jul 9, 2012 22:03:42 GMT -5
They don't seem to be being treated though. They just seem to be looked after like nurses at old peoples' homes look after the elderly. Your right they are just put in there to be looked after and kept comfortable, not be treated. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 9, 2012 22:05:08 GMT -5
Because the Wizarding World is just too far behind in Psychology
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Post by teehee100 on Jul 9, 2012 22:07:51 GMT -5
So true. If they know anything about it, they would probably only think of Freud. While some of his ideas are around, there are more relevant theories around. I still think it would be interesting to have a psychologist that is a parent of a muggle born come to the school. They would have a field day.
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Jul 9, 2012 22:10:12 GMT -5
Teehee100 - go to the Pet Peeves thread, I posted something you might be interested in reading. It kind of goes along with what we are talking about.
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Post by blackroses77 on Jul 9, 2012 22:11:29 GMT -5
So true. If they know anything about it, they would probably only think of Freud. While some of his ideas are around, there are more relevant theories around. I still think it would be interesting to have a psychologist that is a parent of a muggle born come to the school. They would have a field day. I think the psychologist would need a psychologist by the time they were done. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 9, 2012 22:14:38 GMT -5
Yeah, they probably would...
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Post by teehee100 on Jul 9, 2012 22:18:03 GMT -5
Definately. And Mountaingirl which pet peeve one are you talking about?
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Jul 9, 2012 22:19:26 GMT -5
Pet Peeves in Fanfiction stories
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Post by teehee100 on Jul 9, 2012 22:23:34 GMT -5
The one with the emotionally distraught Molly? In a sense I can see that, but I don't think she would do that in front of everyone. Privately after everyone is away/asleep maybe.
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