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Post by thepurplepen on Jul 13, 2012 9:45:46 GMT -5
*Sigh*
I think I'm the only one on this site that doesn't despise Molly with every fiber of her being. Honestly, I adore her.
I love my mother to bits but f I had to pick a mother who wasn't her, it would be Molly.
Sure she has bad points, who doesn't?
Yes, she was frustratingly over-protective in OotP but think about it - all her children were desperate to fight in a war despite being teenagers. A war which killed her two brothers and had already pulled one child away in Percy, she didn't want anymore to go.
Regarding her "control-freak" tendencies. I don't think that was anything other than wanting what was best for her children. And it wasn't that extreme, I know a woman who insists her daughter goes on Skype every morning while she's away at college, just so they see what she's wearing. Granted, I thought the mother was a little psychotic but the point still stands.
With Fleur, I'll agree that Molly was being irrational but think of it like this. Bill left school and immediately leaves for Egypt, he's gone most of the time and Molly rarely sees him. A war starts and he comes back to fight and immediately finds himself a girlfriend, after a year dating they decide to get married. He's gone and then he's back, but he's gone again - this time with a woman.
It's the same with Ginny, I completely understand her viewpoint, irrational though it may be. I was an outrageous bitch to my brother's first real girlfriend. He'd gone away to college and come back with a girl. I felt as though he was leaving us for her, it was completely untrue but it was how I felt and how I imagined Ginny was feeling.
Occasionally Molly gets bashed for not realizing Harry was neglected. The same can be said for any other adult Harry comes in contact with. Molly is such a loving mother, she just can't comprehend how someone could have a child and not love it. My little brother is too skinny and needs to eat more but it doesn't mean he's abused.
About Sirius, I completely disagree with Molly about how she treated him, but at the same time I can understand it. She's looked out for Harry for the past four years and then Sirius comes along and he's arrogant, moody, drinks a lot and tells her that Harry is his responsibility and she should but out. Sirius would have seen wonderful for Harry but that's because Harry is so mature already. He needed an adult to be there for him but he was well past any need for parenting. I think Molly has trouble distinguishing between them.
In short, I adore her. I'm not saying she doesn't have faults, but every character does. She can't be too bad of a mother if all her children end up being essentially kind, intelligent and independent people, even Percy in the end.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 13, 2012 10:07:02 GMT -5
*Sigh* I think I'm the only one on this site that doesn't despise Molly with every fiber of her being. Honestly, I adore her. Now that's a bit of an exaggeration. I don't hate her, and most of us don't either, we just dislike her or at least see her faults too clearly. Sure, that's understandable. But she closed her eyes from the fact that a megalomaniac mass murderer was after Harry and that her children always were with Harry. Voldemort proved he has no problem killing babies when Harry was 15 months old, and still, Molly thinks keeping them innocent and ignorant of what is going on would protect them. But the innocents are the first to die in a war. Sad, but true, and she needs to realise that. Besides, how many times has Harry faced Voldemort down already, while she can't even bear to hear his name? She needs to realise that he's not a baby any longer. God, if I was that daughter, I'd tell her to shove it. I've seen where that leads to - a 50something guy still bossed around and completely dependent on his 80something mum. And it never occured to her that Bill might leave for good if he knew how she treated his girlfriend? I'm sorry, but she needs to learn that her children have their own lives and she needs to let them go. The twins told her Harry was starved, Harry told her the Dursleys would find it great if he got lost, and it didn't occur to her that was strange? But granted, she's very naive. Of course, that doesn't excuse all the other adults. She had Harry for a short time before second year, one night before third, a few days before fourth. Otherwise, she never bothered to even write to him or inquire about him. Sirius, on the other hand, broke out for Harry, risked life and freedom for him, ate rats to be near him. So, who has more rights? Besides the fact that he is Harry's godfather and was meant to be his guardian? Besides, I don't see when Sirius was arrogant at the beginning of OotP, when she had already a go at him and was downright nasty to him. After he gave all of her family a safe home to stay, mind you. And in the beginning, he wasn't that moody, and the drinking started only around Christmas, so that argument doesn't convince me. Even less as it were Molly and Snape who were nasty to him. But I agree that Harry didn't need so much a parent but an adult to talk to and that Sirius would have been the better choice. Plus, Sirius grew up in an abusive home, too, and would understand much better where Harry comes from than Molly ever could. It's really sad that JKR never gave them a chance. |
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 13, 2012 12:08:04 GMT -5
But on the point of letting go, how easy is it for a mother, especially a housewife who devoted her life to her kids, to let go? Most of the families I grew up around were housewife mothers. A few would get part-time jobs, but the ones who didn't, they always had a tougher time letting go. She devoted her life to being a mother. It's like being fired from a full-time job, one you've worked for the past twenty-five years in Molly's case.
And the note of abuse, Molly was nineteen, a pureblood witch when she married and had Bill, and had no experience with abused kids. How on earth was she supposed to realize he was being abused? Granted the twins did mention the bars and starvation, but they had just been punished. I can imagine that they'd tried creating stories of Ron or Ginny in trouble to escape punishment when younger. Or maybe it's just the naivety theory.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 13, 2012 12:47:39 GMT -5
I understand that, but for me it still doesn't justify to be nasty to others because she doesn't want to share her children.
Would it have hurt to actually listen and try to verify the story instead of just brushing it off? Particularly as she herself complained about Harry being too thin? She listened to neither the twins nor Harry, and I still think that sad.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 13, 2012 13:47:42 GMT -5
I can see where you're coming from Kuma, but did you take into account the fact that Molly seems to like Remus, despite the fact that he's a werewolf? I think it's because she was forced to work with Remus at first, and then realized that he was a good person. That doesn't mean she still isn't prejudiced - we all are to an extent about something - just that she will make exceptions to the rule. Maybe by the time she's in her elderly years, she'll have overcome more of that prejudice. |
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Post by princedice1 on Aug 21, 2012 13:24:21 GMT -5
I find Canon Molly to be annoying and short sighted about how much danger she putting the young-lings in when it comes to knowing the truth about what's going on in the world.
I just wanted to shove a 357. into Molly's face when it came the derogatory comments she made about Sirius, in front of Harry no less.
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 21, 2012 13:47:40 GMT -5
It's a bit like a mother not telling her child about cars in the belief it would protect them from being run over by one, isn't it?
Same here. It was the last straw for me - never really forgave her for it. For me it's hard to understand that JKR didn't have Harry react to that attack, he's usually so protective of the people he loves. But canon Harry was quite the pushover who forgave everyone everything like the good like sacrificial lamb he was.
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Post by Miss Wings on Aug 21, 2012 13:50:23 GMT -5
she also did the same with fleur, surely bill didn't notice that?
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Post by readingdeatheater on Aug 21, 2012 14:01:02 GMT -5
She is an Obsessive controlling woman who does not particularly love her children unless they become what she wants them to be or they are her precious daughter. - she will not let Charlie or Bill keep there hair the length they like it even though they are both adults and fully capable of making there own choices.
- She does not believe in Fred or George and there capability as wizards and she has no faith in there dream.
- she compares the twins to Percy all the time yet you never hear her compliment the lad to his face.
also she disrespects everyone else's parenting style and thinks that they are wrong because they don't do things her way. so over all I don't like her. |
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Post by Miss Wings on Aug 21, 2012 14:11:48 GMT -5
I'm suprised at the hairlength actually because it IS an old fashioned thing for men to have had long hair tied back with ribbon. I'm actually reading an RTB on my phone that has yet to be deleted and there's the hints of James/Lily not liking Molly at all and the H/Hr with James and Lily not liking the Ginny obsession aswell..
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 21, 2012 14:29:37 GMT -5
True, in earlier ages men often had longer hair, and considering that the wizarding world is way behind our modern age, it would be normal. I vaguely remember at least one fic where it was even a prerogative for Heads of Noble and Most Ancient Houses.
What author is that? Sounds interesting?
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Post by Miss Wings on Aug 21, 2012 14:35:05 GMT -5
shall turn my phone on and have a look
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Post by Miss Wings on Aug 21, 2012 14:37:02 GMT -5
stelladelnordxd - harry potter and the presently past read the books
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Post by readingdeatheater on Aug 21, 2012 14:52:23 GMT -5
If she wants to complaine about long hair look at proffesor Dumbledore, unless she does not want her son to reminde her of lucius malfoy
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 21, 2012 14:54:27 GMT -5
Thanks, Wingy, I might give that one a try.
Good point, Dumbledore's not exactly having short hair, either. Even his beard is longer than Bill and Charlie's hair ever was, from what I can tell.
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Post by Miss Wings on Aug 21, 2012 14:56:47 GMT -5
your welcome kitty, found it a few weeks back.
hair, maybe she just didn't like that they had long hair because her idol had long hair? kinda like a possession thing? Only Dumbles is allowed long hair because he's powerful and it's his trademark?
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Post by teehee100 on Aug 21, 2012 17:27:10 GMT -5
With the hair thing...maybe she thought they would look like ugly girls? Well I don't hate Molly, I just wish there was another good mother figure in Harry's life.
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Post by princedice1 on Aug 21, 2012 17:58:17 GMT -5
I found something interesting on the internet that relates to Molly.
Dangers of Having Over Protective Mother
A child with an overprotective mother is never ever able to become fully mature. He ends up remaining a baby, who can never ever think for himself and is always on the look out for someone to depend on.
A person with an overprotective mother will never be willing or able to shoulder responsibility. This is because since he was a child, he was neither given any responsibility, nor held accountable for anything.
Individuals with over protective mothers cannot face any criticism, be it negative or positive. The reason is that they are used to being protected and pampered all through childhood.
A child with an over protective mother gets used to too much pampering, care and concern. The result is that they are not able to have successful relationships otherwise, since they are not used to adjustments.
Over protected kids grow up to be insensitive individuals, who can care only about themselves. The reason being that they have never ever been taught to care for others in return.
An overprotective mother cannot digest the fact that her child can do mistakes also. For her, he/she is always right. Thus, she fails to see and rectify the faults of her children.
Does this describe Molly?
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Post by teehee100 on Aug 21, 2012 18:03:58 GMT -5
From this description...no, but it does describe Petunia. I think people are trying to say is that she can be over baring and she tries to shelter her children from the horrors of the worl. Though it really is too late for any of them.
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 22, 2012 5:12:45 GMT -5
It certainly describes Petunia to a T, but I see a lot of Molly in it, too. The last one doesn't fit, she always yells at them for their perceived offenses. But the others ... I don't know, I had to think of Ron often, though not so much of Bill, Charlie and the twins. But maybe it didn't get that bad for the older Weasleys because Molly was busy with the younger ones while they grew up and then they were at Hogwarts most of the year.
Dudley, on the other hand - I suspect Daddy made sure that even at school he got away with everything.
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Post by ella on Sept 10, 2012 7:03:49 GMT -5
I like and dislike molly.
I liked that she took harry and hermione under her wing so to speak and were part of the weasley household as they were both only child's themselves. However, I thought she was a hypocrite when she gave hermione the cold treatment and a smaller dragon eggs chocolate compared to the rest of the children because of what rita skeeter had written. Especially considering she was telling percy off after the dark mark was put up at the world cup and they were reading the newspaper in the house; she said not to listen or believe in what rita skeeter wrote about Arthur. Hermione was only 15 compared to Molly who is supposed to be an adult.
It's best not to get me started on how she treated Sirius, he was a dedicated godfather who loved Harry like his own son and talked to him like an equal and listened to his opinions whereas Molly babied him.
I love Arthur because unlike Molly who can be loud and temperamental, Arthur is more calm and liable to listen to his children but at times I do find him to be a bit too sedate and afraid of molly; he never tries to put his foot down with her or be more firm.
I do love her devotion to her family and to harry and hermione and that she knits them sweaters and makes homemade fudge every christmas. I just remembered that she never made Fleur a sweater during Harry's 6th year at Christmas because she didn't think Fleur was suited to Bill. Fleur had left France by herself and came to England and was spending time with Bill's family- that's got be be intimadating. Molly is a mother who has a daughter herself. Didn't she know what Fleur might be going through (though she doesn't show it but it is Harry's perception and he's quite clueless to things like that) or even try to get to know her?
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Post by melodypottersnape on Sept 10, 2012 22:31:49 GMT -5
First Year
Pros- I love how she was so nice about helping Harry onto the train, I love how she gave a cristmas present to someone she didn't know personally.
Cons- I've always wondered why she asked about the platform. I've never believed how some say she probably does that to help muggleborns since she never did it after.
Second Year
Pros- I like how she took care of Harry that summer. Cristmas present
Cons- I hate how she compares the boys and essentially says that she believes they are not as good as another son. I do not like how she ignored the comment of starvation when she comments on his thinness and send him food later on. That she made her son fear her so much he was to terrified to write about his wand and would rather it malfunction.
Third Year
Pros- She cared about Harry's safety. She was nice. Cristmas present
Cons- She thought dementors were ok?! If she believes she has such a right to decide what Harry can hear(Sirius after him); then why does she not take any steps to send him a letter asking about how he is doing/feeling with a killer after him.
Fourth Year
Pros- She cared about Harry and made him feel loved at the third task.
Cons- She publically said that she did something wrong in raising her twin sons. She tells others(Amos and Percy) not to put stock into skeeter when she started treating Hermione like a leper becaues of it.
Fifth Year
Cons- She never sent a letter asking Harry about how he was dealing, but says she is the only one he has. She insulted Sirius in front of people especially Harry. She yelled out about Sirius when he was in dog form about how he was going to get caught. To me her yelling is what would have gotten him caught.
Sixth Year
Cons- She treated Fleur like shit. Honestly if I was Bill I would have been ashamed if my family was acting like that.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 11, 2012 0:08:08 GMT -5
NIce list, Melody. For first year cons, I'd add how much she favoured Percy (new robes and owl for being made prefect) while Ron had to pay for it (robes that were too short at the beginning of the year already, wand that was not only second-hand and not chosing him, but heavily damaged as well) Second year cons: The howler. Frankly, I don't think humilating her children publicly is the way to go. As for the Dementors in third year, I suspect she believed that Dumbledore was there, so the Dementors couldn't get near the children. She thinks the man can do no wrong, after all. But you are right - she *never* sent Harry a letter, he could never talk problems out with her (she'd just have brushed them aside, "you're too young, here, have some more food and now be a good boy and go play") In my current favourite story still on FFN (A Marauder's Plan by CatsAreCool) Sirius didn't leave Britain after his narrow escape on Buckbeak, but used his Marauder's mind (and Moony's help) to clear his name and get custody of Harry. He got him medical and mental help and everything (all behind Dumbledore's back, who he sent on a wild goose chase to Thailand to talk to him while he made everything legal, lol) and now Molly's trying to take over, to decide over Harry, and is convinced that Sirius did not a single thing right for his godson, just because he treats him age-appropriate, not as a baby. She's so convinced that she is the only one who knows what Harry needs - very in character, IMO. I am eagerly waiting for the explosion that's pretty clearly building up  |
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Post by melodypottersnape on Sept 11, 2012 19:29:02 GMT -5
Is that the one where Sirius goes under a different name
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 12, 2012 2:18:35 GMT -5
No, he just didn't reveal at once that Lord Black and Sirius Black were one and the same person.
You might think of "Forging Destiny" by White Angel of Auralon, where Sirius went as 'Comte de Jarjais' while clearing his name?
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Post by Miss Wings on Sept 12, 2012 4:47:31 GMT -5
I think that Melody's getting confused with the other fic that came out around the same time-Island of hope.. I think thats it anyway, it's on my phone which is somewhere upstairs..  |
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 12, 2012 4:55:13 GMT -5
Everything's possible - there are so many stories out there, I can't pretend to know even half of them!
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Post by melodypottersnape on Sept 12, 2012 7:14:43 GMT -5
It was "Forging Destiny" by White Angel of Auralon. Though the title for the other is familiar so I've probably read it.
Back to Molly.
I also didn't like how she tried to order that Harry and Hermione couldn't hear anything about the order. She has a right to make that decision for her kids but not the other two as she is not their guardian. If she was so worried about them telling then she could have extracted some promise they wouldn't break because quite frankly it was her decison. I believe that Ron had a right to know as he was the best friend of Harry and had definately been through more than the twins. I think the twins had a little less right to know IMO.
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Post by ayrine on Sept 12, 2012 7:45:49 GMT -5
Well, if you see it from the other point of view, it's the duty of every adult to protect children even if they aren't their biological children from dangers if they can, and I think Molly was trying to protect them even if she did it the wrong way.
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Post by Chameleon on Sept 12, 2012 8:27:06 GMT -5
All right. I disliked that Molly tried to prevent information from Harry and Hermione, but I don't think you can blame her from shield her under-age children from this. The twins were seventeen, but they were still in school, and Ron, fifteen and Ginny, thirteen, I think she had birthday later in the summer.
Even my parents would prevent me and my siblings to get any of that kind of information, if I was fifteen year old. Normally children aren't to go to war. And I still look at Ron as a 'child', for that sake.
For Harry and Hermione... Well, she should have let someone else to make that decision.
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