Which house are you in?

[hazeldragon]

Hmm... I don't think Seamus would have done well in Ravenclaw. That leaves hufflepuff and slytherin and I think he would have done better in hufflepuff than slytherin.

[G. Novella]

I'm a proud Slytherin. I was kind of expecting it. My younger sister got into hufflepuff, which surprised us because we thought she'd be a Gryffindor.

[Silvertongue]

Jun 3, 2012 13:30:45 GMT -5 G. Novella said:

I'm a proud Slytherin. I was kind of expecting it. My younger sister got into hufflepuff, which surprised us because we thought she'd be a Gryffindor.

That is the EXACT same for me on both counts.

I think Seamus could have been a Slytherin. He didn't strike me as massivly loyal in OOTP unless you count his loyalty to his mother.

[hazeldragon]

Zacharias Smith wasn't loyal either and remember in CoS, the hufflepuffs ganged up against Harry for a while which kind of reminded me of Seamus' reaction in Ootp

[biakit]

My sister was surprised she got Gryffindor, she wanted Slytherin.

I don't know, I think Seamus could have been a Slytherin as well as a Hufflepuff, because he was loyal to Harry, he was just repeating what his mother had told him. I think of Ron as a very loyal person, it's because he may doubt Harry (just like the 4th and 7th book), but he always comes back and I think that's what happened to Seamus.

[Silvertongue]

I suppose, but I've always held a tiny spark of hate towards Ron for leaving Harry (in 4th and 7th book). It's why I can easily understand the many Ron!bashing fics, and sometimes even enjoy them when I'm in a particularly spiteful mood. The same with Seamus for 5th year.

[biakit]

Jun 3, 2012 13:55:37 GMT -5 hazeldragon said:

Zacharias Smith wasn't loyal either and remember in CoS, the hufflepuffs ganged up against Harry for a while which kind of reminded me of Seamus' reaction in Ootp

But Smith is not a good example, I don't know you, but I think that he was not good enough for any house, but he had to be sorted somewhere, and Hufflepuff said she'd be teaching anybody. It might be only me, because I really dislike him, and in the last book when he ran away from the battle made me disgust me, he's such a coward.

[Silvertongue]

I can't stand Smith. He's just above Umbridge in my hate list. He serves no purpose to me.

[Deleted]

He is easy made hater. He isn't likable in the first place, and since he is basically a flat char, you could easily make him a good villain. If you kill of Voldemort fast, or if a 3-way is needed. HP vs. VM vs. DD.

[biakit]

Yeah, I totally understand, if I were Harry, I wouldn't have forgiven Ron so easily, because what I really find difficult to forgive/forget is when somebody breaks/loses my trust, and I'll never trust this person the same again.

Sometimes when I'm angry I just like to search for fics where there's a lot of arguments and fights, and when it's on Ron it's even better, because I can use my anger that is buried inside me for his betrayal.

[Silvertongue]

Jun 3, 2012 14:05:51 GMT -5 biakit said:

Yeah, I totally understand, if I were Harry, I wouldn't have forgiven Ron so easily, because what I really find difficult to forgive/forget is when somebody breaks/loses my trust, and I'll never trust this person the same again.

Sometimes when I'm angry I just like to search for fics where there's a lot of arguments and fights, and when it's on Ron it's even better, because I can use my anger that is buried inside me for his betrayal.

Exactly. I've had some some friends treat me the same way and we were never the same afterwards. We tried being friends again but that only lasted a few months and then we kind of just drifted apart coz we didn't trust each other with secrets any more. We haven't spoken in years now.

[biakit]

Jun 3, 2012 14:01:29 GMT -5 Silvertongue said:

I can't stand Smith. He's just above Umbridge in my hate list. He serves no purpose to me.

Umbridge is really in the top of my hate list, she really has me on my nerves, then Wormtail he's so pathetic and he betrays everybody! After there's Smith and only then Voldemort I guess, I just know that he's not the top, these three are first.

[G. Novella]

Time for me to defend Ron I guess.

Fourth year- This is a really important incidence. Harry and Ron have had falling outs with Hermione in third year. They've experienced life without her both in second and third year, so they value her more. And vice versa because Hermione realizes how much she needed the both of them in third year when they iced her out. For Harry and Ron, if they hadn't argued, they're friendship couldn't have gotten stronger.

Ron leaving was more about how he felt inferior. He's spent fourteen years being overshadowed by brothers, experiencing this feeling of being less than everyone. It's amplified when he starts to see the monetary difference between him and Harry when Harry has all these great items and he doesn't. Sure he sees that Harry wants family, but at this point, I think Ron's already accepted that Harry's become a Weasley, especially if his mother is handling Harry's shopping. Then he sees the tournament as an opportunity to achieve glory that's all his, but he can't. Yet, Harry does, when no one's supposed to. Its another opportunity for Harry in which Ron remains a minor character. Another opportunity where people will forget Ron. Not to mention at this point, Ron has no idea exactly what the tournament entails. No one does except Hermione who's researched the tournament. Once he saw that the tournament was actually dangerous, he came straight back.

Seventh Year- Ron has spent about three-four years in love with Hermione. His only view of Hermione's 'type' so to speak is Krum, a super successful Quidditch player, and McClaggen who's pretty well connected and who Harry explains in the vague sense that Hermione had a bad time, not that she absolutely detested him. So it's reasonable that Hermione would prefer Harry to him since Harry's got more success to his name. Besides, he's got this feeling of being a side-kick already, so he envisions that Hermione wants a hero, because we know Ron doesn't think of himself as a hero in any sense. Then he's worried for his family. He's got this immense insecurities inside of him that he doesn't tell anyone. And he has to wear the Horcrux which just amplifies his worries.

We saw in Harry that the Horcrux made Harry distrust Dumbledore even more, he began to feel under confident, think Hermione and Ron were turning on him, and essentially was too depressed to produce a Patronus.

Both times, though Ron left, unlike in a friendship where you go astray, Ron comes back. He does his best to show that he'll never leave and tries to fight for his friends. I mean, Ron could have stayed away both times, he could have abandoned Hermione too, but he doesn't. He fights for the friendship. Harry just skips the part where Ron needs to fight because he knows Ron, and knows that Ron will fight for it. He's the kind of guy that can judge the truth behind a person's intentions, and knows Ron's genuine.

[Silvertongue]

Sorry I meant he's just below Umbridge, not above. Wormtail is my definite top of the list. She's second. Voldemort is not on my hate list at all.

[Silvertongue]

Jun 3, 2012 15:00:06 GMT -5 G. Novella said:

Time for me to defend Ron I guess.

Fourth year- This is a really important incidence. Harry and Ron have had falling outs with Hermione in third year. They've experienced life without her both in second and third year, so they value her more. And vice versa because Hermione realizes how much she needed the both of them in third year when they iced her out. For Harry and Ron, if they hadn't argued, they're friendship couldn't have gotten stronger.

Ron leaving was more about how he felt inferior. He's spent fourteen years being overshadowed by brothers, experiencing this feeling of being less than everyone. It's amplified when he starts to see the monetary difference between him and Harry when Harry has all these great items and he doesn't. Sure he sees that Harry wants family, but at this point, I think Ron's already accepted that Harry's become a Weasley, especially if his mother is handling Harry's shopping. Then he sees the tournament as an opportunity to achieve glory that's all his, but he can't. Yet, Harry does, when no one's supposed to. Its another opportunity for Harry in which Ron remains a minor character. Another opportunity where people will forget Ron. Not to mention at this point, Ron has no idea exactly what the tournament entails. No one does except Hermione who's researched the tournament. Once he saw that the tournament was actually dangerous, he came straight back.

Seventh Year- Ron has spent about three-four years in love with Hermione. His only view of Hermione's 'type' so to speak is Krum, a super successful Quidditch player, and McClaggen who's pretty well connected and who Harry explains in the vague sense that Hermione had a bad time, not that she absolutely detested him. So it's reasonable that Hermione would prefer Harry to him since Harry's got more success to his name. Besides, he's got this feeling of being a side-kick already, so he envisions that Hermione wants a hero, because we know Ron doesn't think of himself as a hero in any sense. Then he's worried for his family. He's got this immense insecurities inside of him that he doesn't tell anyone. And he has to wear the Horcrux which just amplifies his worries.

We saw in Harry that the Horcrux made Harry distrust Dumbledore even more, he began to feel under confident, think Hermione and Ron were turning on him, and essentially was too depressed to produce a Patronus.

Both times, though Ron left, unlike in a friendship where you go astray, Ron comes back. He does his best to show that he'll never leave and tries to fight for his friends. I mean, Ron could have stayed away both times, he could have abandoned Hermione too, but he doesn't. He fights for the friendship. Harry just skips the part where Ron needs to fight because he knows Ron, and knows that Ron will fight for it. He's the kind of guy that can judge the truth behind a person's intentions, and knows Ron's genuine.

I do agree with all of this. I do love Ron really, but because of the betrayal from my friends, there's always a part of me in the back of my mind that's saying "Just stay away from Harry now. He doesn't need you." It's silly and pathetic I know, but I'm like that with every character, every person I meet. I know myself and I can be quite judgemental. Every character in HP I love at times and hate, depending on my moods.

[crazyloonymoon]

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[lys8375]

I'm in Ravenclaw !! And I loved it even if I wasn't expecting it!!

"Wit Beyond Measure is a Man Greatest Treasure"

[viralic1]

Ron's friendship to Harry in the beginning doesn't even make sense, and in a real situation Harry most likely would have kicked the shit out of this guy. Even if not at the train, at classes. Harry hates bullies, yet he allows Ron to bully Hermione? What was up with that. Let's examine.

First meeting, Ron gawks at Harry's scar. Big no-no. He then callously asks about the night Harry's parents' died. Again, no-no. Then, he actually seems disappointed that Harry can't remember more of the night his parents' died. Then, despite Harry wearing clothes many times too big for him, he complains about how he doesn't have any material possessions, and he is actually glad Harry doesn't have more things than him. That's not something that needs to be inferred, it says right there that Ron is cheered up by the fact that Harry has less than him.

At this point, Harry should have found a creative way to see if a human fist can destroy a skull.

After that, he bullies Hermione, which Harry seems to ignore, despite it being a huge freaking character point that he hates bullies.

I can go on and on about this, but you get the idea. And yes, I really don't like Ron. I've had friends like him, and to be honest, Ron is the closest thing Harry has to a Peter Pettigrew.

[Silvertongue]

I agree with all of that, especially on bad days, but at the same time I love his comic relief role. Sometimes I think that's all he's good for though.

[nudgelover]

I actually got Gryffindor and Slytherin at first because the hat couldn't decide for me so I chose Gryffindor and for the second time I tried I got Slytherin

[lucyolsen]

When Ron is cheered up by the fact that Harry doesn't have money or nice things, I have always taken it to mean that he is relieved/happy that he has found that Harry can understand how he is feeling.

Or have I been giving Ron too much credit here?

[biakit]

The fact that Ron likes that Harry has less than him, made me think of him as a bit annoying, and then when he asks about Harry's parents for me he was just like Malfoy. When he bullies Hermione is when he pisses me the most in the first book, to me it's clear that Hermione has suffered from things like that before and she was expecting that going to a new school, a magic school, would change things a bit, to a brighter side and I think she was hoping she'd make some good friends there, where people would understand the 'weird' things that happened to her.
I'm not going to only defend Hermione, for me it's also clear that Ron feels intimidated by Hermione, the muggleborn who already knows a lot more than him, so feeling inferior to her the only thing he does to make himself feel a little better is to go to hers Achilles spot, her social interaction. Maybe if she wasn't a know-it-all, or if she had hold up a bit for the first weeks, things would be easier, but her bossy way just keep remembering Ron that she's "better" than him.
I'm not a big fan of Hermione, she's so bossy thinking that she's always right that she pisses me off. But I can't really like Ron when he already betrayed Harry two times.

[Silvertongue]

I think I've read too many Ron!bashing fics because I think you're giving him too much credit, but I guess Rowling would disagree. He's always so jealous of everyone that I see that scene as him being pleased there's someone worse off. But it seems like he forgets all that as soon as Harry is in the spotlight.

[viralic1]

If you look at Ron from a non-HP perspective, he's a dick. Imagine if someone walked up to a soldier and asked about the night some of his friends were KIA in a combat zone. That's exactly what Ron does, except worse because he asks the victim of a violent attack about the night they lost their family.

[lucyolsen]

Yes, well, Ron's not exactly the most tactful person around, is he?

But I hate the stories that make him into a death eater, or that he was being paid to be Harry's friend or whatever. People use the excuse of not liking a character to turn them into a villain because the author needs one, or because they need Harry to be alone for the sake of their plot, or to drive him into the arms of someone else (often the actual villains in this tale).

This has been done a lot with Ron and Hermione, and to a lesser extent, Molly and Ginny. And Percy would never be a death eater. Just because he is against his family does not mean he is with Voldemort. He is with the government/Minister. If the Ministry ordered him to break the law, he might, but he'd draw the line somewhere.

[G. Novella]

Jun 4, 2012 16:14:12 GMT -5 viralic1 said:

Ron's friendship to Harry in the beginning doesn't even make sense, and in a real situation Harry most likely would have kicked the shit out of this guy. Even if not at the train, at classes. Harry hates bullies, yet he allows Ron to bully Hermione? What was up with that. Let's examine.

First meeting, Ron gawks at Harry's scar. Big no-no. He then callously asks about the night Harry's parents' died. Again, no-no. Then, he actually seems disappointed that Harry can't remember more of the night his parents' died. Then, despite Harry wearing clothes many times too big for him, he complains about how he doesn't have any material possessions, and he is actually glad Harry doesn't have more things than him. That's not something that needs to be inferred, it says right there that Ron is cheered up by the fact that Harry has less than him.

At this point, Harry should have found a creative way to see if a human fist can destroy a skull.

After that, he bullies Hermione, which Harry seems to ignore, despite it being a huge freaking character point that he hates bullies.

I can go on and on about this, but you get the idea. And yes, I really don't like Ron. I've had friends like him, and to be honest, Ron is the closest thing Harry has to a Peter Pettigrew.

Back to defend Ron.

First off, the first interaction. He's 11! He's just met the hero of the wizarding world and like any 11 year old is curious of the real story. Unlike Hermione, he doesn't pretend to know everything about Harry. If Harry rejected everyone who was curious about his past, his only friend would have been Hedwig. Second, it's not about liking that Harry has less than him, its liking that Harry isn't someone considerably out of his league so to speak, because they're both used to second hand stuff and not from riches. His complaints weren't reciprocated. As I recall, Harry in turn complains about the Dursleys, Of course we can tell he doesn't say, oh hey, I was abused. Instead, he probably goes about explaining it as mild neglect, which I'm certain Ron too had felt at points in his family, and I doubt any eleven year old describes their neglect as an everyday thing, or another 11 year old would realize straight of the bat that its abuse. I mean, most adults didn't pick up on that!

Second, bullying Hermione? That point is completely non valid. A) Hermione treats Ron like a fool in their first meeting. As outsiders, we recognize that Hermione is simply interested in seeing magic really being performed. But then she follows up by making Ron's spell seem dumb, which isn't fair to an 11 year old with insecurity issues. b) Second, Hermione was awkward until the boys realized she was trying to make friends, she not only tried to boss them around, she tried pushing herself onto them. Again, we know she's only trying to befriend them, but last I recall, 11 year old boys do not appreciate tattle-tales and bossy girls. C) She always gave back as good as she got in their fights. Yes he said some rather harsh things, but she's never taken it lying down. D) He always defended her, even in fourth year when he and Harry were fighting, or as I recall, he lost fifty points with Harry when Snape insulted Hermione's appearance to defend her honor, whilst saying some rather nasty stuff to Snape. He jumps to both the defense of Harry and Hermione before anyone, and always fought to help them.

As for Ron being like Pettigrew, please, just reread the books and compare Pettigrew and Ron. I don't even want to dignify that argument with a counterpoint because its utterly ridiculous.

[G. Novella]

Oh and the point about Ron approaching Harry like Malfoy. First, Malfoy approached Harry in Diagon as though he was superior because he was rich and spoiled and pureblood. Then when he realised who Harry was, he changed his tune. He was only interested in The Boy Who Lived, Ron however, wasn't interested in befriending a hero, oh for the first ten minutes, maybe, but then he saw Harry as a real person. So he treated him like a real person. Plus, he never insults Harry's friends.

[blackroses77]

I just got sorted into Hufflepuff and I couldn't be more happy!

[poseidonshorcrux]

i tried pottermore three times and i have gotten into every house except from griffindor

i am trying to get accounts with one of each house

i have mostly been sorted into SLYTHERIN the best damn house ever !!!!!

[biakit]

Jun 5, 2012 6:26:27 GMT -5 poseidonshorcrux said:

i tried pottermore three times and i have gotten into every house except from griffindor

i am trying to get accounts with one of each house

i have mostly been sorted into SLYTHERIN the best damn house ever !!!!!

If you're making accounts to go to the other houses you're definitely a Slytherin. Just checking that you won't win points to all those houses, will you?