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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 15, 2012 14:25:37 GMT -5
Also how was Harry supposed to learn about love if he never got it growing up? Also how did Dumbledore know that Harry would survive the Dursley's unlike Tom did? That's a pretty big risk imo.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 15, 2012 14:27:18 GMT -5
Agreed, reading. My thoughts exactly. Just one of the many reasons I hate Fuckledore.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 15, 2012 14:31:02 GMT -5
Good point. Actually, I doubt you can really feel love when you haven't experienced it yourself. It's not really something you can explain, after all. I felt that he didn't risk his life so much because he loved others, but because he held their lives more worth than his own.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 15, 2012 14:32:05 GMT -5
That's my belief too, Kitty. You know, its kind of funny how we discuss these characters so much... as though they were real people.  |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 15, 2012 14:34:08 GMT -5
To us, they are - a little bit. We have lived in the magical world for years, after all. Always felt the same about the world of Middle-earth. Elves and Hobbits were real, we just forgot all about them because it's been too long!
That theory doesn't make it easier for me to understand that last showdown between Harry and Moldyshorts, though.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 15, 2012 14:38:44 GMT -5
Well said, Kitty!
And yeah, that fight relied too much on chance... there is no way Dumbledore successfully planned all that. Not really. I think he just took credit he didn't deserve to take.
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Post by dracosfairmaiden on Jun 15, 2012 15:50:37 GMT -5
If I was Harry, I would have broken way before fifth year. I don't know how he handled everything.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 15, 2012 15:56:53 GMT -5
Yeah... *winces* This is why I will never write a good Dumbledore. I don't mind reading it, but I will NEVER write it.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 15, 2012 16:05:40 GMT -5
Same here. It's hard enough to read a good one - I always wonder how Harry can still get along with him. Even more so in redo fics.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 15, 2012 16:07:25 GMT -5
I think it's because Harry views him as a grandfatherly figure, and believes himself to be worthless. Or, that's what I always infer. That's usually never the case when Dumbledore is treated like he is in cannon, but it makes reading the fic more bearable.
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 15, 2012 19:48:16 GMT -5
Dracosfairmaiden-I would have broken years before 5th year. There is no way I could have done half of what Harry did. All the stuff he went through is ridiculous
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 15, 2012 19:58:15 GMT -5
You know, I want to see a Characters Read that delves in to the harmful relationship between Harry and Dumbledore, (Maniuplated vs Manipulator respectively), and how firm a grip Dumbledore really does have on him. Because their relationship goes way beyond headmaster and student.
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Post by polish on Jun 15, 2012 20:10:52 GMT -5
My answer to Harry is simple, JKRowling, while she wrote an awesome epic, really made the adults ignorant, brash, kind of self serving and more than a little stupid... I wrote a fic, about what I think could have happened at the end of HP 7, I have the link here:
http:// www. fanfiction. net/ s/ 7579535/ 1/ The_Cycle
If you read it could you write a review? I only have one at this point... >.>
Polish
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Post by dracosfairmaiden on Jun 15, 2012 20:11:03 GMT -5
It really does. I don't believe they had a student/headmaster relationship. Nor do I believe they had a grandson/grandfather relationship. Their relationship seemed more of a manipulative one.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 15, 2012 20:12:24 GMT -5
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Post by Animikokala on Jun 15, 2012 22:18:23 GMT -5
As much as I like Harry, I have to say he was brilliantly raised to be led around by the nose.
He lived an isolated and miserable childhood, where he learned not to depend on most adults. This was further reinforced by Minerva not believing them in 1st year (and telling him to "keep his head down" in 5th year), as well as all of his DADA teachers being a danger or a point of stress (including Remus only for the werewolf incident).
He was taught "not to ask questions". I wouldn't be surprised if the Dursleys all but destroyed any intellectual drive he might've had. He certainly had no one to be proud of his achievements, and no adult to push him to succeed.
I suppose it's a good thing he was so malleable though. With all the constant trauma in his life, it's amazing that he didn't explode in a clusterfuck Dark Lord tantrum of epic proportions!
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 15, 2012 22:23:32 GMT -5
Speaking of the Dursley's destroying Harry's intellectual drive why does he still go on the adventures? Ex. The Sorcerer/Philosophers Stone? He doesn't ask questions in class but he still goes out and gets information. Doesn't make much sense to me. Am I being dense or is there a logical explanation for this?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 16, 2012 0:40:23 GMT -5
Maybe because it gave him the feeling he got one up on the adults who didn't answer his questions or not even allowed them?
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 16, 2012 1:15:58 GMT -5
I think Kitty's answer makes a lot of sense. That, and Harry would want to protect Hogwarts because it is his "safe haven" from the Dursleys.
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