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Post by G. Novella on Jun 12, 2012 21:22:15 GMT -5
I know right?
Plus, she's so bubbly and bright and aggressive. Seriously, Remus is so passive and tramply, that she props him up in the right way. I love the two together.
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Post by Point Given on Jun 12, 2012 21:46:44 GMT -5
I never really understood the Weasley hate that comes out of this thread. Like Trilonias said, Harry and Ginny spent a lot of time near each other's company in Half Blood Prince over the summer, and I'm certain some off the screen stuff happened. Any really, none of you have ever been smitten with someone quickly before? My girlfriend during my senior year in high school was someone I'd known since I was eight years old, and who I hadn't had feelings for until my final year in high school.
Also we really have no confirmation that Ginny and Lily look anything like each other, except they both have red hair and are pretty. Both Rose Leslie and Bryce Dallas Howard are redheads but they don't look anything alike.
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Post by My-Rebel-Within on Jun 12, 2012 22:05:56 GMT -5
I never really understood the Weasley hate that comes out of this thread. Like Trilonias said, Harry and Ginny spent a lot of time near each other's company in Half Blood Prince over the summer, and I'm certain some off the screen stuff happened. Any really, none of you have ever been smitten with someone quickly before? My girlfriend during my senior year in high school was someone I'd known since I was eight years old, and who I hadn't had feelings for until my final year in high school. Also we really have no confirmation that Ginny and Lily look anything like each other, except they both have red hair and are pretty. Both Rose Leslie and Bryce Dallas Howard are redheads but they don't look anything alike. Exactly! Thank you. The Half-Blood is one of my top three Harry Potter’s. The is a informational chapters, but there is a lot of humor. The Ginny/Harry storyline does work. Ginny only really started talking to Harry in book 5 therefore Harry did not start noticing her until then. Furthermore, Harry did not really see her as a friend until and end of book 5 and the summer. |
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Post by codygotkilld on Jun 12, 2012 22:53:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that I hate HBP but I do see it as the weakest book in the HP series. It really felt more along the lines of a teenage drama-fest than a HP novel. Reading the book I felt that JKR was still feeling the effects of near burnout from writing OotP and decided to make a in-between book for the series. There are still enjoyable chapters in the book but compared to the rest it seemed like it was going nowhere. It also didn't help that Dumbledore was basically using Harry to gather info for him. Hell, I know he was dying and all but at least share the important stuff with Harry or teach him some defensive spells. It just seemed illogical not to teach Harry something that could save him in a tight pinch.
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Post by blackroses77 on Jun 12, 2012 23:08:32 GMT -5
I have to admit I was a little disappointed the first time I read HBP because I was expecting more action and I didn't see the point of dragging out the memory scenes for so long, Harry could have watched them in one or two sessions with dumbledore. But after reading the book again I have to say I really like it and appreciate the humor and just getting to know the characters on a deeper level. There are some thing's I still don't like such as Ron and Hermione not supporting Harry when he suspects Draco and Hermione's ridiculous and jealous attitude against the book but overall I really like it. For fanfic I don't like Harry/Ginny but I think it works for canon although I think J.K. could have developed it better, it was a little 'oh Harry needs a love interest insert Ginny'. There was a good start with them getting to know each other as friends in the fifth book so in my mind to make the pairing work I imagine them having built on the friendship started in fifth yr by exchanging letters over so summer so between fifth year with the DA and realizing they have something in common with voldie being in their head at one time or another, the bonding experience of fighting in a battle together and long frequent letters over the summer I think it is possible for Harry to have fallen in love with her and the potion (don't remember the name of it) in Slughorns class just made him realize his true feelings.
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Post by hollywollypolly on Jun 13, 2012 14:55:57 GMT -5
I liked the parts where we got to learn about Voldemort's past and learn how his past made him into the person he is today. I loved when Harry and Ginny got together also. Snape's betrayel made the book at the ends. Also there is a little character development for Harry and Ginny you just have to look for it and I don't think J.K Rowling will make it that obvious or else it wouldn't be fun. I think it was last year during the D.A, after Harry found out the truth about his father and snape and the department battle. Among with other things we don't see.
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Post by hollywollypolly on Jun 13, 2012 14:58:59 GMT -5
add in the offhand GIGGLY conversation about love potioning (presumably) Arthur so she got her man that Molly, Ginny, and Hermione had. That had me convinced a love potion was involved in Harry's sudden, very jealous interest in Ginny. Not to mention that the three of them thinking it's *funny* to drug someone like that is more than a little horrifying. Yes, I forgot about that damn love potion crap. I can't believe anyone can find that funny! Especially considering how Voldemort came to be... And you know what? That's a very good theory! I'm going to add that to my personal cannon! Um... I think Harry would have been able to spot a love potion or J.K Rowling would have describe some effects. Also We didn't know about the love potion at that point and they probably weren't talking about the love potion in general more like the effects gone wrong. |
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Post by hollywollypolly on Jun 13, 2012 15:03:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that I hate HBP but I do see it as the weakest book in the HP series. It really felt more along the lines of a teenage drama-fest than a HP novel. Reading the book I felt that JKR was still feeling the effects of near burnout from writing OotP and decided to make a in-between book for the series. There are still enjoyable chapters in the book but compared to the rest it seemed like it was going nowhere. It also didn't help that Dumbledore was basically using Harry to gather info for him. Hell, I know he was dying and all but at least share the important stuff with Harry or teach him some defensive spells. It just seemed illogical not to teach Harry something that could save him in a tight pinch. Knowledge can be a lot more powerful than some denfensive spells that will only buy you time. Personally I think Dumbledore wasn't exactly cetain on everything so he needed help along with the fact the curse was making him weaker. Also Dumbledore probably didn't tell Harry because he were still getting over the inccident at the department of mysteries and occlumency so what would have happened if Voldemort tried again? I don't think he wanted to risk the chance of telling him important information with it leaking out to Voldemort along with Draco being a spy. |
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Post by sherza on Jun 13, 2012 15:16:53 GMT -5
Um... I think Harry would have been able to spot a love potion or J.K Rowling would have describe some effects. Also We didn't know about the love potion at that point and they probably weren't talking about the love potion in general more like the effects gone wrong. Why would Harry be able to spot a love potion or its effects? He's a mostly-untrained teenager, not freaking Moody or Snape. And the jealous chest-monster could very easily have been said effect of said love potion, if you're inclined to think that direction, which honestly, I am, because Harry's attraction to Ginny comes out of nowhere and its first symptom is jealousy? Really? Not him going 'pretty eyes/other body parts! Nice girl' or what have you? That suddenness combined with the discussion about a love potion just ... reeks of a setup to a halfway suspicious mind. |
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Post by OculisCaeruleis on Jun 13, 2012 15:55:13 GMT -5
Um... I think Harry would have been able to spot a love potion or J.K Rowling would have describe some effects. Also We didn't know about the love potion at that point and they probably weren't talking about the love potion in general more like the effects gone wrong. Why would Harry be able to spot a love potion or its effects? He's a mostly-untrained teenager, not freaking Moody or Snape. And the jealous chest-monster could very easily have been said effect of said love potion, if you're inclined to think that direction, which honestly, I am, because Harry's attraction to Ginny comes out of nowhere and its first symptom is jealousy? Really? Not him going 'pretty eyes/other body parts! Nice girl' or what have you? That suddenness combined with the discussion about a love potion just ... reeks of a setup to a halfway suspicious mind. Don't forget Romilda Vane's love potion - the one intended for Harry but drunk/eaten by Ron. I know love potions become stronger as time goes on, but surely there must have been something that would tip them off at the start, suppose Ginny gave Harry one? |
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Post by mathalamus on Jun 13, 2012 16:31:57 GMT -5
Don't forget Romilda Vane's love potion - the one intended for Harry but drunk/eaten by Ron. I know love potions become stronger as time goes on, but surely there must have been something that would tip them off at the start, suppose Ginny gave Harry one? i am very much inclined to believe so. her history of a fan girl, and being practically raised wanting to be a girlfriend to harry potter were the largest clues. i believe JK rowling did it wrong. shes does know how true love feels right? then she should have made them truly fall in love over the years, not the sudden suspicious kind. |
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 13, 2012 18:15:06 GMT -5
I think that's what JKR tried hinting at in book 5, but then skipped the summer where they bonded, and just started to write whatever she wanted to make it fit into the chapter frame. I support the relation, it's just written all wrong in the books.
And on the note that guys don't feel jealous and then realize they're in love, that's completely untrue. A lot of guys get that kickstart of realization through jealousy. They may notice other things about the girl in the beginning, like the fact that she makes them laugh, or that she's really kind, but it takes a little jealousy to make them realize what those feelings mean and why they've been noticing her all of a sudden. Happened to a good friend of mine after his crush told him she liked someone else.
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Post by sherza on Jun 13, 2012 18:53:14 GMT -5
I'm not saying that guys can't feel jealousy as a prelude to figuring out they like a girl.
It's just not in line with Harry's personality at all ... nor is it consistent with his symptoms of 'crushing' on Cho. While, yes, people feel love for different people in different ways, to go from feeling twitterpated with one girl to green-eyed monster over another is a bit of a big change.
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 13, 2012 19:20:42 GMT -5
The thing is, his feelings for Cho faded out by May, and we see Ginny making a larger appearance. Then JKR has her conveniently disappear and come back after the summer and Harry's in love. She kind of skips all the moments where he should be starting to like her, and just jumps straight into he's in love, yippee. I don't think the relationship wasn't genuine, I just think that JKR in her haste cut out some of the best and most simplest scenes. I wouldn't have minded a few more chapters of HBP if she'd fleshed out their friendship a bit more.
Quite a few fanfics get that right and you can see the elements from canon that make the pair a great couple. Shall I do another editor JKR talk to make my point clear on why the writing failed and not the relation?
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Post by angelty on Jun 13, 2012 21:15:12 GMT -5
I thought it was weird that Snape was half blood Prince. That was shock to say in the less
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Post by sherza on Jun 13, 2012 21:22:48 GMT -5
I knew it was Snape right from the off. Who ELSE that we know of is good at potions ... and vindictive as hell? The only *known* potioneers at that point were Snape and Sluggy. And Sluggy is *clearly* a pureblood, given his 'surprise' that muggleborns can be powerful/good at magic.
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 14, 2012 7:22:55 GMT -5
I had a feeling it would be Snape, but I couldn't see him as calling himself a Prince. That threw me for a loop.
As for Sluggy, I thought he was a pretty funny character, but I mean, he's been teaching how long? And he's still surprised by muggleborns being good at magic?
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 7:25:12 GMT -5
Sluggy is well...Sluggy. I do like him, but I think it's silly that he was surprised at muggleborns being good at magic. It comes across as more ignorant than anything else, but still...
All the same, I wish he'd have been the professor for Potions instead of Snape. Sluggy would have been far more competent.
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 14, 2012 7:30:57 GMT -5
You know what position Snape should have been in?
Something inconspicuous (because I have no idea). I mean, Dumbledore created a position for Hagrid, he should have done the same for Snape. The only thing is that he'd still need to find a Potion's teacher, which is why I guess Snape got slotted in.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 7:33:49 GMT -5
I completely and totally agree! I think Snape would have been better off as Dumbledore's assistant or something like that. Why not? Muggles do it, after all.
Snape may have been slotted it, but it was really foolish on the old man's part.
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 14, 2012 12:23:33 GMT -5
Much as you seem to want to make them out to be, those were not unimportant years. Both led to Harry growing up a bit more, losing more, and learning more about Voldy, so that he could defeat him in the end.
In OP, we learn just how far the Ministry has gone to keep Voldy from "being back". Harry's having to deal with all this "boy-who-lied" crap and still fight back. There's also some major character development in this book. First of all, you meet Luna and get to know her pretty quickly. Neville's beginning to believe in himself more and beginning to grow up. You finally get to learn about this prophecy and why Harry's the child Voldemort decided to go after. Dumbledore finally deems Harry "old enough" to learn about Voldemort and plans to give him lessons the next year. Not to mention that Harry suffers a terrible loss, and is now going to have to deal with that.
In HBP, Harry's not just "viewing some memories", he's learning valuable lessons that later save his life/help him in the long run. (e.g., Harry remembering the Peverell coat-of-arms due to the memory of Marvolo waving his ring around in the Ministry guy's face) He goes out in the end to find his first "Horcrux", suffering another great loss. Also, more character development, this time for Ginny and Draco. Ginny's finally come out of her 'hero-worship' shell and is able to talk to Harry, not to mention show him what an awesome person she is. We get to learn more about Draco, finding out his inner insecurities and loyalty to his family. We learn that, though before we mostly hated him, he's really just a kid who has being given too big of a job.
While on this subject, I really actually like Harry getting together with Ginny. Reading GF and OP, with him crushing on Cho, I was . . . sickened, for lack of a better word. They just didn't 'click'. Their relationship seemed forced, no matter how many times Harry went on about his heart fluttering or some such drivel. When he started noticing Ginny in HBP, I was overjoyed. They just seemed to 'fit'. As J. K. Rowling said, they're like soulmates. They work together and help each other out. They're just so fun and cute together and I love their dynamic. ;D
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 14, 2012 19:04:42 GMT -5
Here's a theory I've had and parts of I've seen on the web. Hermione broke up Harry's relationship with Cho on purpose and helps get Harry and Ginny together. Part of it is set in OOTP but finishes in HBP. Sometime in GOF or early OOTP Ginny and Hermione talk. They come up with a way to get Harry and Ginny together. Have Ginny focus on other people and get comfortable around Harry and eventually get him jealous. Harry would go out with Cho on Valentine's Day in OOTP, then Hermione brought up that she needed Harry for something. Harry screwed up on the explanation and they got into a fight. Hermione must have known that the boys are idiots (Yule Ball and Christmas 5th year) and didn't tell Harry what was going on so he could look like an idiot. I would add the Marietta thing but that was by chance, and an added bonus. Cho and Harry are broken up and Ginny starts getting closer to Harry. Ginny dates Dean in HBP and Harry gets jealous and they eventually end up together. This might be me getting extremely paranoid from all of the fan-fics online but it seems plausible to me
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Post by shinethedown on Jun 14, 2012 19:20:56 GMT -5
I doubt Hermione nor Ginny is that manipulative. She isn't Lilly from How I met your Mother. Harry is still one of her best friends and she will have wanted what makes him happy.
On to the book itself, it was a great book for filling in the gaps and had some of the biggest plot relevance out of the past books. We found out a lot about Voldemort and his past, and Harry and the gang got to act like actual teenagers for a book XD. Still it wasn't as good as some of the other books, it was lacking "something" and Harry obsessed over Draco a little to much. And some actual relationship development for Harry and Ginny would have been good. Still i enjoyed the book but not as much as others.
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