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Post by TitansRule on Aug 8, 2012 13:32:43 GMT -5
I always find reviewers who complain about AU situations quite hypocritical personally - even canon fanfiction is technically fanon, because the only person who knows the whole truth is JK Rowling. So if someone writes a 'canon' conversation between Harry and Ginny in HBP, unless they've somehow read JK Rowling's mind, it's still not strictly canon. If that makes sense.
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Post by werewulfking on Aug 8, 2012 13:35:51 GMT -5
Well Ithariel why is it completely ridiculous? I mean it is the same with movies and games. It is an opinion of other people on who would be suited for such a book, film or movie. If you disagree with it you just have to borrow it for yourself and then give it to your kid.
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 8, 2012 13:41:17 GMT -5
Yes, that would explain a lot. In a library of that size, the restriction would work.
I'm working in a half-million city, and the central library alone has about 270.000 books, audiobooks, movies ...; the overall numbers are over 900.000 for the whole library. What you have overall, that's what we have going in and out (each) per day at times ... The current record in due dates are about 15.000 in one day - don't want to be there when *that* comes back! (Ok, that's a bit high, due to circumstances, but still ... can you imagine having your whole library and half of it again going out or coming back in one day?) And the renewing quote is at around 40.000/year, which is considered too low ...
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Post by Kaiserin on Aug 8, 2012 13:41:31 GMT -5
I wonder if CU is trying to be 'big brother' from 1984?
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Post by Miss Wings on Aug 8, 2012 13:43:48 GMT -5
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Post by Ithiarel on Aug 8, 2012 13:45:35 GMT -5
Well Ithariel why is it completely ridiculous? I mean it is the same with movies and games. It is an opinion of other people on who would be suited for such a book, film or movie. If you disagree with it you just have to borrow it for yourself and then give it to your kid. It's just... well, for one: as Kitty said, the librarians are not responsible for the books the children read. Their parents are. So, when the children bring their borrowed homes home, then it is their parents responsibility to take a look at what they borrowed (Sadly, in my place most parents shirk that responsibility or are simply not interested in it). For another: I can't imagien a child reading the "Shades of Grey" books. Because it would either be too young to fully understand them (and put the book aside, because it's boring) or find it icky (and put the book aside) or find it to long (and put it aside). In my experience many teenagers don't even want to read novels, with more than 200 pages - simply because they look too long... I don't have children of my own, but if I had, I would probably handle it the same way my mum did with me and my sister: Take them to the library a few times to show them where the books are (the children books of course), and then just trust that they'll be fine. You can't in all honesty do more than that. Esp. considering that children read more books "in" the library than they borrow and take home. (And at least in our place, the library offers a lot of activities for children: e.g. kindergarten groups and primary school classes taking day trips there, or sleeping over night and read ghost stories; a book reading club; etc... In that way, the children learn which areas "their" books are in, and they seldom wander into other areas) |
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 8, 2012 13:49:54 GMT -5
The librarians might warn children that a book is for older readers, if they see the kid reading in it, but that's it. Children seldom wander into the adult novel area anyway - simply because the children's area is seperated from it by the most "boring" area for children ("Psychology" and "Paedagogics"). The teens have yet another area for themselves. We have a separate place for the kids and teens as well, but that wouldn't keep them from the adult parts if they wanted to get there. Yeah, that works as some sort of control, too. We have the ones in the children's section and the others in the adult, but as you say, how to control who's getting what? If it's not extremely graphic, you can't limit it without being swamped with complaints. Believe me, we never wanted to take fees in the first place and fought it for years, but the city council forced us. We simply had no choice. In most cases, it's not the library itself who wants that, but the cities who have to foot the bill. |
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Post by werewulfking on Aug 8, 2012 13:56:51 GMT -5
Well I just wonder who would complain about a reasonable age restriction. On the other hand I expect that more parents would complain if their child brought home a book not appropriate for children.
But maybe that's just the feeling I have.
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Post by Ithiarel on Aug 8, 2012 13:58:14 GMT -5
Believe me, we never wanted to take fees in the first place and fought it for years, but the city council forced us. We simply had no choice. In most cases, it's not the library itself who wants that, but the cities who have to foot the bill. *snort* This reminds me of a funny situation: Fact 1: The city library takes a one time fee (pretty heavy, too) for your library card. You won't have to pay afterwards, but you have to pay to get started. Fact 2: The city library is part a local citywide library network, also including the two university libraries and the state library, that allows for a user of one library to borrow books from another library within the network without any fees. Fact 3: The university libraries do not take a fee for their library cards, and are open to all people not just students. Who can spot the idiocy in this system? ;D (it's also pretty unfair, considering that people living in the neighbourhoods further away from the universities are unlikely to get a card from there, but will rather go to their local city library branch - yes, the oldenburg city library has branches in all neighbourhoods. Their books actually rotate through the urban areas... don't ask me why...) |
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Post by Chameleon on Aug 8, 2012 13:59:08 GMT -5
Just a question ... By a library having fee, does it mean that everytime you borrow a book you have to pay a fee, or is it just the card?
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 8, 2012 14:12:59 GMT -5
University and city library are separate here, so no trickery possible. And the interloan service is not supposed to be used for anything than science and research. But your system is ... errr ... not the most intelligent I've seen yet. Though, in the end, every paid fee means they have more money for books, don't forget that.
Depends. When I was still in school, it was a small fee per book. Later, that got ditched. Where I work now, we initially had a fee only if you reserved a book, but as people were notified per letter that they can come and get the book, I think that's justified. And you get fees if you don't return books in time. Now, we have a fee per year, but I'd think that 12 € per year for an adult aren't that huge ...
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 8, 2012 14:15:27 GMT -5
I always find reviewers who complain about AU situations quite hypocritical personally - even canon fanfiction is technically fanon, because the only person who knows the whole truth is JK Rowling. So if someone writes a 'canon' conversation between Harry and Ginny in HBP, unless they've somehow read JK Rowling's mind, it's still not strictly canon. If that makes sense. That's just stupid to complain. Fanfiction is by nature AU, only some are more AU than others, as it's probably a difference if you just expand a bit on a scene in the book, or if you turn the whole plot around and change it considerably. |
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Post by Ithiarel on Aug 8, 2012 14:17:27 GMT -5
At the university library in my place, there are fees for returning a book late, for placing a hold on a book, for ordering a book though the GBV, or anything like that (basically, everything that goes further than just taking the book from a shelf and taking it home).
At the small library in my home town, there are only fees for returning a book late, and 1€ for borrowing something through the GBV.
And of course, if you loose a book or parts of a board game, you will need to replace it. (Sometimes, that is very expensive!)
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Post by Chameleon on Aug 8, 2012 14:20:58 GMT -5
Aha... Well, here you don't pay when you get the library card, but if you get it second time, you pay the fee. And of course when you deliver the books late... I think I've got around 60€ there ... *wince* I think that's it on my local library.
And of course, replace the book. We don't pay fee, when we order the books online ... If that happened, I would never order it there. Unless I really needed it.
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 8, 2012 14:22:42 GMT -5
That's pretty normal, as these are all things that cause additional work or even costs (letters to the user). And fees for returning the book late are sadly a must, or some people keep them forever. There was a private tutor, once, who ran his whole business with *our* books, until we cut the number of books he could have. At times he must have had over 300 of our books, just so he didn't have to buy the necessary basis for his profession himself!
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Post by werewulfking on Aug 8, 2012 14:24:23 GMT -5
Our library has fees too if you return the book late and if you want to reserve one for later. Replacing a book or game is also done by the reader if it is only his responsibility. With children books even the newer ones sometimes look rather bad.
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Post by Chameleon on Aug 8, 2012 14:24:52 GMT -5
Aah. I don't get a letter anymore. I get a automatic mail.
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Post by G. Novella on Aug 8, 2012 14:28:28 GMT -5
My library gives card fees only if you lose it, otherwise your first card is free. You can get it at any age and check out what you please, unless the librarian feels your too young, in which case she/he'd as for a parent.
If it's late, they hound you with email and phone calls, and charge the standard late fees.
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Post by Chameleon on Aug 8, 2012 14:32:16 GMT -5
Ahh... At least they don't call me. I would probably never answer it... It would be awkward, as one of the librarians is friends with my mother x)
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Post by Miss Wings on Aug 8, 2012 14:33:07 GMT -5
the first card is free. the second is £1 and so forth, if a book is late then they chase it up and you pay a fine.
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Post by werewulfking on Aug 8, 2012 14:33:12 GMT -5
With us you get letters if you are later than 7 opening days. But every child needs their parents with them as we need their passports to confirm the address. The most fees I ever saw somebody having was 60 euros but they most likely moved away and failed to return a harry potter dvd.
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Post by Ithiarel on Aug 8, 2012 14:38:04 GMT -5
There was a private tutor, once, who ran his whole business with *our* books, until we cut the number of books he could have. At times he must have had over 300 of our books, just so he didn't have to buy the necessary basis for his profession himself! Seriously??? *snort* That's so bold, it's even kind of funny. I think, the most books I ever borrowed at one time was around 30. Back when I was writing my final thesis. The most books I've ever carried out of the library in one go was about 60. And those were picture books for the Kindergarten. Our librarians are really cool about that. You tell them a topic and they put together a box filled with picture books that the kindergarteners can then take along for as long as they want. |
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Post by G. Novella on Aug 8, 2012 14:38:05 GMT -5
Once you turn 13, you can get your card all on your own. I charged up a fee of 60 dollars at one point, roughly 30 euros I think  |
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 8, 2012 14:47:39 GMT -5
With us you get letters if you are later than 7 opening days. But every child needs their parents with them as we need their passports to confirm the address. The most fees I ever saw somebody having was 60 euros but they most likely moved away and failed to return a harry potter dvd. Yeah, registration needs parental approval anyway. And € 60 seems rather harmless ... it's seldom, but there have been a few over time who added up much higher sums. Seriously??? *snort* That's so bold, it's even kind of funny. Yeah, I was speechless when I heard about it! Our limit has temporarily heightened to 100 due to closing for a move for nearly three months. People came with suitcases on rolls to transport books off  We actually have theme suitcases for kindergarten and early school years that the staff there can get. |
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Post by eskimoRock on Aug 8, 2012 14:50:27 GMT -5
My mum runs a preschool, and the library down the hill from us brings up boxes and boxes of books that have been in storage for years for the kids to have, and the librarians read to the kids  |
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Post by Ithiarel on Aug 8, 2012 14:52:34 GMT -5
We actually have theme suitcases for kindergarten and early school years that the staff there can get. That's nice, too. And it makes sense in such a big library. In ours the boxes are specifically put together anew each time. That way, the librarians can also make sure that some books that the kids have already read and didn't like are not included that time, while others that were popular go into the box again. (the kindergarteners usually tell them, which books were really popular with which group.) I'm not sure, if there actually is a limit in our library. If there is, I never hit it. I tend to loose track of what books to return when I've borrowed more than 20... (I once tried to return a book to the wrong library)  |
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Post by werewulfking on Aug 8, 2012 15:09:19 GMT -5
We have a limit of 20 books for one person and then other media a much lower limit. But as a five head family has five cards they would be able to check out much more. And of course kindergarten and preschool can borrow much more.
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 8, 2012 15:11:25 GMT -5
I think there are different possibilities, you just have to cut it to fit the needs and the possibilities (doing it new every time would be staff intensive). Plus, they can always get other books as well, I think the suitcases are mostly when they talk about a certain theme, like weather, animals in the woods ...
Do you not get a print what is due when? Or can check online? That's how I keep track of my own stuff.
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Post by Ithiarel on Aug 8, 2012 15:12:31 GMT -5
Yeah, we also have a limit on CDs and DVDs. (I think it's five a piece.)
And there might also be one on board games...
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Post by Ithiarel on Aug 8, 2012 15:16:21 GMT -5
Do you not get a print what is due when? Or can check online? That's how I keep track of my own stuff. That's not my problem, actually. I can check online, and get an email notification before the books are due. But then, I have to go and search for them, because I tend to leave them lying around all over the place. And occasionally, my dad takes one away to read it, and then I have no idea where he leaves it... ;D So, I've gotten used to returning books as fast as possible. It's just easier for me that way. When I absolutely need one for longer than three weeks, I sit down and scan the whole thing. That way I can safely return the book and have a copy still at home.  |
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