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Post by Miss Wings on Jul 9, 2014 6:09:11 GMT -5
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Post by RandomPasserby on Jul 9, 2014 8:58:14 GMT -5
I read it. But I read it in the 'lalalala I'm going to ignore this' way that I pretty much treat any post-DH material.
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Post by teflonbilly on Jul 9, 2014 10:15:51 GMT -5
I realize that it's Rita Skeeter writing so you have to take anything she states with a grain (or bucket) of salt, but I am a little disapointed that Ron was said to only be an Auror for a couple of years before quitting to work at WWW only.
I had thought JKR had said in previous interviews that Ron had been an Auror but also moonlighted at WWW (and it seemed like it was only during his early years until him and Hermione had saved up enough money when they first got married.) Didn't she say Harry and Ron revolutionized the Auror department as its co-heads? I doubt Ron and Harry were able to become the co-heads of the department less than a couple years (2 years? 3 years?) after becoming Aurors.
Now Skeeter, again, may be talking out of her ass, or Ron is still working both jobs and Skeeter couldn't be bothered to get the facts right, or Ron may be doing deep undercover work and his solely being a WWW employee might be part of his cover story.
A lot of people seem to fixated on Harry being listed as "graying" at only 34, but considering I'm 36 and starting to gray (5-10 hairs) at my temples and Harry has very dark hair (makes gray stand out even more) this isn't all that unusual. The only issue I would have is JKR can't seem to make up her mind (or she just doesn't seem to care about consistency) on whether wizards/witches age slower or just live longer (as perpetual geriatrics.)
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Post by RandomPasserby on Jul 9, 2014 11:24:56 GMT -5
It sounds weird but I'm surprised that everybody including Rita Skeeter knows that Voldemort made Horcruxes.
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 9, 2014 19:04:07 GMT -5
I wonder if JK forgot that in both HBP and DH, the trio were keeping that secret. I doubt anyone can remember absolutely every single little detail of a series, even if they themselves created it, and especially not several years after finishing.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Jul 10, 2014 4:18:13 GMT -5
I was just thinking there are some WWII operations which are STILL classified. Most of the Cold War stuff is STILL classified. Anything more recent than that, lots of that is STILL classified.
And yet, not even 20 years after the Final Battle everybody knows what a Horcrux is (since Skeeter didn't bother to explain them). I mean, you really think that's not going to give some people ideas you really don't want them to have.
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Post by Miss Wings on Jul 10, 2014 6:12:42 GMT -5
I just wonder if sommeone blabbed out the secret or if Skeeter or another person got the secret out of them. For all we know it could have been Ginny if the marriage is on the rocks.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Sept 22, 2015 9:53:12 GMT -5
And yet more 'lalalalalala I'm ignoring this' on the new stuff on Pottermore re the Potter family.
No really, I'm ignoring it completely. So completely. It does not exist.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 22, 2015 14:18:47 GMT -5
I barely dare to ask what rubbish she invented this time? *goes searching on the net* Urgh ... Fleamont and Euphemia? What did she smoke when she invented that? You are right, I am going to ignore that. Totally.
God, am I the only one who gets the feeling that at least every second post on Pottermore is making things worse instead of better??? I always wanted to know more about the Potters, but that is ... argh, I can't even think of a word that fits! Horrible just doesn't cover it.
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Post by Miss Wings on Sept 22, 2015 15:39:11 GMT -5
Was just about to post it. Would much prefer Dorea & Charlus myself. I'm wondering if JK was on something when she came up with the names I know i've seen the name Euphemia in genuine family trees but thus takes the mick. "Hi, my names Flea. The Potter Flea!"
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Post by RandomPasserby on Sept 22, 2015 16:23:25 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, Dorea and Charlus are James' parents.
I've seen Euphemia as well, and I've also seen the custom of naming boys with their mother's maiden name. Some surnames though, if you must use them, need to be middle names. Even second middle names.
I think the only things I liked was the idea of Henry being a family name and the idea that the only reason the Potters weren't on the Sacred 28 was because the surname is quite common.
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Post by Miss Wings on Sept 22, 2015 17:03:51 GMT -5
My family tree has a normal forename though, the Mother or Grandmother's maiden name is used as a middle or in the case of the Phillips surname it becomes a forename for a male.
Henry Egglestone Phillips
George Bell Phillips
Thomas Phillips Preston
Philip Jones
John Methuselah Phillips Jones and so forth.
Heck my own name has all my Great Grandparents surnames. I'd have had an extra but we don't know one of the names due to being illegitimate.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 23, 2015 0:34:33 GMT -5
Well, it confirmed my opinion that Charlus and Dorea aren't Harry's grandparents, but I'd prefer these names above the ones JKR now came up with by a wide margin. Around here, I can't remember seeing names where the last name was used as first name - save in cases where the last name is a normal first name, too, which happens particularly with some male names. The registrars here don't allow names that are too silly and embarrassing, and I think last names as first names fall under a similar category. Philipp, btw, is both here, too - the neighbour's son is named Philipp, and a colleague's last name is Philipp, too. (We spell it with one l and two p, though, and the last name without s at the end). The only thing about the whole new info I liked is why Potter wasn't on that illustrious name list she came up with some years ago. I thought it totally wrong that Malfoy was on there, but not Potter. Yes, I know canon gives the impression that Malfoy has money and influence, but the name is still French and I always saw him as some French upstart with more money than manners. Though ... how is Gaunt more illustrious than Potter, when you go by the meaning of the name? If Potter wasn't good enough to be on it, then what about Gaunt? And for that matter, Crouch or Longbottom?  |
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Post by physicssquid on Sept 23, 2015 13:55:11 GMT -5
I agree with Random. The latest info about the Potter family on Pottermore, has no effect on my headcannon.
I still like the idea of Charlus & Dorea being Harry's grandparents.
However, I also like JK's idea that Harry's grandfather created Sleekeaxy's Hair Potion, as well as the idea that the first Potter created the forerunners of both Skelegro and Pepper-up.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 25, 2015 1:39:43 GMT -5
Already saw the first story using the new names *shudder* No, if I ever manage to finish my own story far enough to post it, then I'm going with the names I invented years ago. I absolutely refuse to use these stupid new names!
If you like that, then keep with it. We always can say the story is AU anyway, so why do we need to use "canon" released 8 years after the last book was published?
Ok, that is at least a nice detail. The post wouldn't be so bad if not for the names, honestly.
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Post by Miss Wings on Sept 27, 2015 9:26:51 GMT -5
This type would have been more reliable. I have made up all other unknown names.  |
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 27, 2015 12:40:02 GMT -5
You know, I like that version much better than what JKR did. At least that way that poor guy isn't called Fleamont all the time! Can you imagine the bullying potential with such a stupid name?
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Post by Miss Wings on Sept 27, 2015 15:33:48 GMT -5
Exactly. "Oi Fleahead! Are they pedigrees or mongrels?" Now that I think of it I think that's where JK got Pureblood VS Muggles from.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 30, 2015 14:19:55 GMT -5
With the pureblood mania, I was more thinking of Nazi Germany and the Jews.
When I think about the repercussions of such a stupid name, I am left wondering for the umpteenth time if JKR thought bullying natural and perfectly all right. After all, in the books Harry was bullied by the Slytherins, at times in Hogwarts as well, or at least not exactly treated nice, Luna was bullied in Ravenclaw, Snape bullied 3/4 of the school etc. - and now another name which would be a guarantee for bullying. Did she just see the 'funny' factor and forgot what it would cause, or what?
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Post by RandomPasserby on Oct 1, 2015 8:07:26 GMT -5
Especially since it's all fine and good and amusing to say 'well he probably became a great duelist because he kept getting in fights when people laughed at his name'
Forgetting that a. being right doesn't guarantee winning b. fighting might stop them picking on you but it won't stop them.
Is it bravery to only fight the bullies when they're picking on you?
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 2, 2015 0:24:19 GMT -5
It falls just in line with her tendency to show not only bullying, but abuse, attempted murder and the like als perfectly normal and acceptable. Which worries me in a children's book.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Oct 14, 2015 17:55:15 GMT -5
Since we're bitching about things from Pottermore that we're ignoring.
Merlin as a Slytherin. Oh my god does that annoy me. And also make me giggle.
Mostly because, although I know he didn't exist, the stories relating to his existence place him firmly at least 500 years before Hogwarts.
And the giggle part is that, in some versions, he gets stuck in a tree until Arthur comes back. So I'm sort of picturing a slightly sentient tree with a sorting hat on it.
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 16, 2015 13:10:48 GMT -5
You know, if you asked JKR how it is possible that Merlin went to Hogwarts, she'd probably say 'magic' ;P I really wish she would not just invent nice little stories, but consider if they even fit with her canon before publishing them. Nice image  What about the 12-hour Polyjuice she suddenly invented that makes all the canon uses so silly? |
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Post by RandomPasserby on Oct 16, 2015 18:10:43 GMT -5
The thing that bugs me about Polyjuice is that it doesn't take into account height and weight.
Like, the standard dosage of Polyjuice seems to affect a twelve year old and an adult for the same amount of time.
Thay being said, I think a drive to improve some things is a very human one, so it's possible someone created a better Polyjuice to fill a niche and they did that post 1997.
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 17, 2015 0:35:28 GMT -5
Good point about height and weight. While we are at it, maybe changing an adult into a child or vice versa would make a difference, too, due to the massive change.
Oh, that is possible, but then she should mention that it was invented later, instead of leaving people wondering why they didn't use the longer lasting one in canon.
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Post by RandomPasserbyOnPublicWifi on Oct 20, 2015 9:21:37 GMT -5
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 20, 2015 12:09:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the laugh! Well, by now I have had to accept that some people will never see Snape for what he really is, but only an idolised, innocent good guy. No matter what he did, in their eyes the fact that he supposedly loved Lily is carte blanche to do whatever he wants. While I see his so-called love as rather creepy and unhealthy and can't stand him. But there are really times when you don't know if to laugh or cry about what some people do to delude themselves.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Jan 18, 2016 8:58:08 GMT -5
Yet more things from Pottermore which make me seethe
So apparently Dumbledore's plan went like this 1. Make the entire student population buy all of Lockheart's books, boosting his sales 2. Ruin the prospects of every OWL or NEWT student who needed the slightest help in DADA. 3. Do nothing except make snippy comments 4. Continue to do nothing 5. Luck intervenes and Lockheart gets amnesia. 6.  7. Profit
Does Dumbledore actually give a fuck about his students? Seriously, fucking hell. Schools are for learning and teaching, they are not for hiding valuable objects or revealing people as frauds.
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Post by physicssquid on Jan 18, 2016 11:48:30 GMT -5
Yet more things from Pottermore which make me seethe
So apparently Dumbledore's plan went like this 1. Make the entire student population buy all of Lockheart's books, boosting his sales 2. Ruin the prospects of every OWL or NEWT student who needed the slightest help in DADA. 3. Do nothing except make snippy comments 4. Continue to do nothing 5. Luck intervenes and Lockheart gets amnesia. 6. 7. Profit
Does Dumbledore actually give a fuck about his students? Seriously, fucking hell. Schools are for learning and teaching, they are not for hiding valuable objects or revealing people as frauds.
Yes there are things you can learn from a bad teacher, but none of those things should be learnt during an exam year. And that's on top of Quirrell, who stuttered his way through his lectures, and quite possibly didn't do any practical lessons, due to being Tom's host, & therefore not wanting to teach the kids anything that they could use against him. Really, despite my hatred for her, Umbridge's idea of going back to the basics, which Quirrell & Lockhart didn't cover, was a fairly reasonable one. Hardly any of the students would have done any studying on their own, so wouldn't have been learning what they were supposed to learn during those two years. Going back and covering what was on the curriculum for those two years was actually a sensible idea, even if she did go about it in the wrong way. |
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Post by RandomPasserby on Jan 18, 2016 14:19:08 GMT -5
Here's the thing which gets me.
A. Dumbledore is powerful and respected
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b. He's an academic. He's literally in academia.
We don't know anything about continued education past Hogwarts graduation (yet another reason I would rather the epilogue never happened) but Dumbledore's helped discover at least one thing and seems fairly respected in his field even discounting his position as headmaster/Chief Warlock/Supreme Mugwump.
Part of academia is peer reviewing books. Since Lockheart put them on the curriculum he can't then turn around and say they're fiction. Dumbledore could fucking shred those books, academically speaking, he could pick them apart and point out Every. Single. Error. and Lockheart would go down in flames. And the best part, so long as you have evidence you can shred somebody's work in the nicest possible way.
In theory Umbridge's curriculum could work really well. Start the class with an assessment of what they should know as of the end of the previous year to highlight any class-wide gaps. Maybe schedule more DADA classes for years 5 and 7 if they need them. But yeah, make sure the basics are there and then teach the new stuff.
Unfortunately for all Umbridge's idea of back to basics was a good one her execution just involved them reading a book. Which is boring for the faster readers, can be embarrassing for the slower readers and could easily be done in free time.
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