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Post by RandomPasserby on Oct 12, 2013 20:52:42 GMT -5
I like the premise of CU (ie that all stories should obey the posted rules of the site) but I do not think a load of random vigilante's should be the ones to determine that and certainly not via threats through reviews. Especially as regards something as tenuous as the MA rating.
How detailed is 'detailed'? It's such a ridiculously fine line to walk.
Because they're obeying the rules of the site? If we start purging things based on quality that brings the problem of objectivity as mentioned above. You disdain cliché fics and fics which swap character's genders, other people may well feel the same about RtB fic.
Frankly, I think ff.net needs more staff. More staff to actually moderate the fanfic according to the rules and then to tell the CU to back the hell off because they're no better than anybody else on the site.
And either to add an MA rating or to actually draw a line in the sand as to what is acceptable and what is unacceptable.
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Post by LoveIsLouder... on Oct 12, 2013 21:52:33 GMT -5
Ok this is bull s**t just found a Story from the Percy Jackson series (which I love) and it's a RTB but not of the book but of another FanFiction (not sure of there's, one of there's they haven't posted or of someone eles which I'm assuming if it is they asked permission) and three people from CU have commented saying its in violation which I think is stupid how is it in violation if it's not a book but a story someone has written but not published that's not copyright I reckon they take things too far sometimes.
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Post by LoveIsLouder... on Oct 12, 2013 21:53:38 GMT -5
Ahhhh monkeymail were has your LJ gone? The links not working.
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Post by monkeymail on Oct 12, 2013 23:21:26 GMT -5
Ahhhh monkeymail were has your LJ gone? The links not working. I deleted it to edit it? I put the new link up on my profile page on FF so that one should work...i'm only up to chapter 8 though sorry  send me a pm on FF and i'll email you the half chapter you missed  |
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Post by monkeymail on Oct 12, 2013 23:23:24 GMT -5
Well, I understand the copyright problem, but not why it is enforced so ... selectively. Maybe the site admins can't spell themselves and don't even notice how bad some stories are?  It looks like they are starting to enforce it across the board as well as all other rule breaking stories such as 2nd person stories and chat script stories, at least anything that is brought to their attention anyway since it seems like there is a new purge going on at ffn. The CU is now having a 100% success rate of having every story they report being deleted, it truly was disheartening when I checked their clean sweep and stories in violation page and saw every single story they had listed as being deleted, that has never happened before in all the times I've checked those pages to see if a story I liked but could no longer find had fallen victim to them. Yeah they must be they deleted my other story that was labelled a song-fic but it didn't have the actual song in it though...makes me wonder if they actually double checking what's reported |
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Post by blackroses77 on Oct 12, 2013 23:28:57 GMT -5
Ok this is bull s**t just found a Story from the Percy Jackson series (which I love) and it's a RTB but not of the book but of another FanFiction (not sure of there's, one of there's they haven't posted or of someone eles which I'm assuming if it is they asked permission) and three people from CU have commented saying its in violation which I think is stupid how is it in violation if it's not a book but a story someone has written but not published that's not copyright I reckon they take things too far sometimes. So this person in effect wrote a Percy Jackson 'Reading the Fanfic' right? I don't see how that is against any of the rules as long as they gave the original author of the fanfic credit and made it clear which parts were the original authors and which where their comments/reactions. So yes the CU were already power tripping b******s but it seems with the recent validation they have gotten from ffn admins that they have moved on to the status of dictators. It is quite sickening. I'm with monkeymail when it comes to the gender swap stories being removed. It's something I feel very strongly about, if it was just a matter of authors writing a male character turning into a girl for the comedic value of reading about a guy having to deal with being a girl or vice versa that would be one thing but that's not what 99% of genderswap stories are. It's all about the author taking a male character and turning them into a girl for the express purpose of putting them in a relationship with another male character. I find it highly offensive. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they need to get over their homophobic selves and write the characters as they are or go find a fandom that has the female/male character ship they want. I honestly don't see how more people don't find this offensive, it's no different than taking a black character and making them white in order to put them in a relationship with another white character or vice versa. Prejudice is prejudice no matter what form it comes in. I doubt the admins double check anything anymore, that would mean they would actually have to take responsibility for their own site and put in some work. No they probably have all members of CU memorized by now so when they see a report coming in with one of their names on it they just delete automatically. It's like the teachers have put the bullies in charge and just don't care that it's inevitable that they would abuse their power. |
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Post by LoveIsLouder... on Oct 13, 2013 0:19:07 GMT -5
blackrose the Story they are using isn't the best so I'm guessing it might be there's and I'll do that now Monkeymail.
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 13, 2013 1:10:51 GMT -5
Someone on Azaelia's Facebook site explained some days ago that even a 'reading a fanfiction' story is against the guidelines because it is still MST. And that's forbidden, no matter what - even if you write a fanfiction and then a fanfiction of people reading your own fanfiction, it's still against the guidelines. *bangs head* Yeah right, great way to differentiate when you can't use your own work any more.
By now I can only agree about the CU. FFN is putting the bullies into a position where they can do whatever they please and get their way. That's disgusting me more and more. And I notice that I feel less and less like reading new HP stories on FFN at all, they have taken down so many I loved, and with some of the non-RtB I wasn't too happy lately, so I tend to let them be and don't feel like even reading updates, save for a few. I guess that's going to be the beginning of the end for me.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Oct 13, 2013 10:57:51 GMT -5
I disagree.
I admit when it's obvious that an author has gender flipped a character for the sole purpose of not having to write m/m then yeah, that's icky.
On the other hand, it's pretty trans* phobic to write stories which are basically 'lol, how funny is it to put a character in the body of the opposite gender' and a lot of those fanfics are really gender essentialist which is just as icky as the homophobia (most of them will start referring to the character by his/her new biological gender rather than his/her preferred gender pronoun).
But I think there's a huge difference between 'OK I don't want to write m/m because that's icky so I'll turn Character X into a woman' and 'I wonder how X & Y's relationship (or lack thereof) would be difference if X was female' which is no different to most other types of AU's (High school, All human, Superpowers, fusion etc). The first one is icky, the second one not so much.
I'm also heavily involved in the Hobbit fandom which sprung up after the 2012 movie. A movie which has exactly 1 female character (we'll be up to 2 when DoS comes out), who doesn't interact with any of the main cast. So yeah there's a lot of gender bent stories but that's mostly about wanting to explore female dwarves/dwarvish culture. They're outnumbered by the amount of m/m fic but they're still a pretty serious presence in fandom. Also included in them are cast-wide gender flip stories rather than specific character flips (which ends up with f/f rather than m/m).
I also disagree because tarring everything with the same brush is just inviting people to chuck tar right back at you.
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Post by melodypottersnape on Oct 13, 2013 11:35:56 GMT -5
I personally love reading slash, but when I tried to write my first fic I flipped Harry's gender. It wasn't because I had anything against m/m as I prefer it to straight pairings. I just didn't feel confident enough in my writing to make my first relationship slash. I also wasn't confident I could write in a male personality so to speak. I remember being horrified when I would read stories were Harry would be a drag queen and bizarrely flamboyant. I didn't want to fall into that pitfall so I thought I would ease myself into writing stories and slash. Now I'm writing a NCIS slash and I feel like I can give it justice.
I'm actually glad that there are genderswitch fics even if I don't read them anymore. I probably wouldn't have gotten into slash without it. First I will admit that I was reading essentially soft porn by the eighth grade. I started with genderswitch cause I wanted Harry to be catcher so to speak cause that was what I related to I guess. I didn't want Harry with a girl cause I was more interested in Bill and his profession or Draco's antagonism. Then I ran out of fics and started reading slash. I will admit that I first I imagined Harry a girl in these fics(I'm not homophobic I have gay friends and I just don't understand the garbage of hating others like that) because it felt less intrusive to read a straight fic then if was a slash fic. Then I came to like it.
On to another topic of that NCIS slash story. I got my first comment that wasn't encouragement and the such. They ranted about how they couldn't stand people writing Ziva and Tim in a bad light and such. I was actually happy when I read it. Though that probably had a bit to do with the fact that they liked my idea and writing style they just didn't like my portrayal of certain characters. Anyways is it odd to almost like the rant against my work better than the people asking mr to update soon and that they like my story? lol.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Oct 13, 2013 12:17:38 GMT -5
To start with: I am not calling anybody homophobic
I. Hate. This. Line. I hate it so much. If it were a person I would want to punch it in the face repeatedly. You have no idea how many times I've heard that line followed by blatant homophobia. Having gay friends does not impede anybody's ability to be homophobic. Gay people can be homophobic (internalised homophobia sucks royal hippogriff). I've been the gay friend in those sort of situations, the one cited as being the reason the person in question absolutely couldn't be homophobic. It's not fun (especially not for me, I'm bisexual) and it makes you think a lot about whether you still want to be friends with somebody who would use you like that. |
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Post by melodypottersnape on Oct 13, 2013 12:45:02 GMT -5
RandomPasserby I wasn't saying that you were calling anyone homophobic. I mainly wrote that because Blackroses made it sound like that the only reason genderswitch could be written was if it was for comedy or because someone was homophobic. I'm not saying that was what they meant only what it sounded like.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Oct 13, 2013 12:49:21 GMT -5
As ridiculous as this sounds, I didn't say that you were saying that I was saying that anybody was homophobic.
That was just a blanket statement as regards the 'I can't be homophobic, I have gay friends' comment. When I've gone on that mini-rant before I've had people turn around and say 'are you calling me homophobic'.
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Post by melodypottersnape on Oct 13, 2013 13:02:38 GMT -5
Now that were off the heavy talk. Does this annoy you as much as it does me?
Harry finds out Dumbledore or sometimes even the Weasleys are stealing from him. So while he ask for the goblins to get books and such back; he says that they can keep the money. To me that just rubs me the wrong way. He never presses charges and acts like the money doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that he doesn't need it. It's the principle of the act. They used and lied to him. They don't deserve a reward for that or anything of the kind.
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 13, 2013 13:41:57 GMT -5
Oh yes, that annoys me - big time. It doesn't matter if he is rich or not, it's the principle. Acting the grandfatherly guide or motherly mum of your best friend and at the same time stealing the money of an orphan - who doesn't even know what he has as he never gets any bank statements - is disgusting. If Molly just asked Harry if he could loan them some money, he would gladly not only loan them the money, but give them the money for good. And Dumbledore has even less reason for it. That's what annoyed me in a fic I was reading recently - Harry found out, but didn't do anything, because Dumbledore had supposedly used all his money to support others and then used Harry's money for the Order, and we can't cut that good work, can we?
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Post by melodypottersnape on Oct 19, 2013 14:46:39 GMT -5
I swear this reviewer must be an idiot. I'm writing a story called backup that is set in the fandom NCIS. In my summary I clearly state that Ziva and Tim will be bashed. That essentially means that they will be occ to. Yet this reviewer just ranted at me that I should have put an occ warning so that they would have not wasted their time. I mean if main characters are being bashed and a slash pairing is being made that is a sign that occ is going to happen. I swear some of these people are can not make leaps of logic at all.
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 20, 2013 1:28:58 GMT -5
Honestly, I've seen reviews that rant about, say, a story having a pairing they don't like despite the author saying in the summary already that it is going to be that one, or they complain about someone being bashed despite it being in the summary. And often enough it's mentioned in the AN as well. So, don't get too worked up, some people are just too stupid to understand the summary. I've been wondering more than once how these people chose the stories they read, as they seem to not even look at the summary or main character list at all.
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Post by unbeastly on Oct 24, 2013 6:12:14 GMT -5
I always get a little uncomfortable when people say their fics are 'The Truth' or 'What Actually Happened'. I know people don't agree with things that happen in canon but what is written in the novels is and always will be the true accounting of events and it does make me understand why some author's have put a ban on fanfiction. By saying your version of events is what actually happened is to me very disrespectful of the original works and the writer it belongs to.
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 24, 2013 6:42:24 GMT -5
A better way to put it is 'how it should have happened' - as it is more along the line of 'how I (the author) would have written the books'. Though if these stories are labelled AU, despite their claim to be the truth, that's ok. I think I have seen one once where canon was what the magical world believed what happened, but where in truth something else happened, which the trio kept secret, and I guess some of the stories might be like that.
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Post by LoveIsLouder... on Oct 24, 2013 8:46:38 GMT -5
Hey Monkeymail is your LJ up and running yet?
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 24, 2013 14:48:35 GMT -5
Hey Monkeymail is your LJ up and running yet? It has been for months. |
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Post by LoveIsLouder... on Oct 24, 2013 21:57:28 GMT -5
Kitty279 they said that they took it down to do something to it and the link doesn't work ethier.
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 25, 2013 0:02:53 GMT -5
Strange, when I answered you yesterday, I checked and the site worked completely normal for me. Still does, in fact. You might have somehow used a wrong link? Try this one. |
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Post by LoveIsLouder... on Oct 25, 2013 5:29:35 GMT -5
Thanks yeah it would have been because I was using the old link |
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Post by monkeymail on Oct 27, 2013 0:46:36 GMT -5
Sorry guys i obviously need to go back to checking this site everyday...
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 27, 2013 1:35:02 GMT -5
You're always welcome to do that, even though this time I could help out  |
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Post by monkeymail on Oct 27, 2013 4:56:52 GMT -5
I usually do I just haven't had time i'm slowly getting the chapters up its just taking longer than i thought changing stuff
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 27, 2013 6:42:49 GMT -5
Know the feeling, RL keeps me more than a bit busy lately. Still didn't have the energy to continue my revamp of the site.
Sounds like I need to re-read the story again to keep up with the changes?
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Post by monkeymail on Oct 27, 2013 17:23:52 GMT -5
Possibly i haven't changed much just taken out bits and pieces i didn't feel the need for anymore, as well as attempting to make Harry sound 15 instead of like ten
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 28, 2013 1:35:57 GMT -5
Ok, then I just need to find time ... where can I get a time turner? Could come in handy sometimes! But the latter is always a good idea, I think, though your Harry wasn't that bad, really. I've seem so many stories where they had him act like he was 5, not 15, so yours was a shining example in maturity already in comparison |
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send me a pm on FF and i'll email you the half chapter you missed 
