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Post by brokenquill92 on Jul 11, 2012 7:35:35 GMT -5
We know Dudley can be saved but what about his parents?
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Post by KellBellx on Jul 11, 2012 7:44:46 GMT -5
I think there might be some hope for Petunia, but Vernon... not a chance. He's too set in his ways. A part of Petunia still loves her sister, even after all that happened between them, and she must be the reason they kept Harry all these years, even if it wasn't in the desired way Dumbledore had in mind. But Vernon would have had him on the streets for all he cared and Harry was just a baby at that point, so imagine what he would be like with Harry as an adult.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 11, 2012 7:47:19 GMT -5
Hm ... maybe Petunia, with a lot of persuading, but Vernon? He's the one who seemed the most disgusted by the whole magic thing, and he's the one who reacted the most aggressive. So I find it hard - particularly as he'd probably not listen, but always rant and try to throw people out. I really wonder how often Dedalus and Hestia were forced to hex him during that one year ...
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Post by KellBellx on Jul 11, 2012 7:55:19 GMT -5
I really wonder how often Dedalus and Hestia were forced to hex him during that one year ... My guess is probably quite often  |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 11, 2012 8:22:17 GMT -5
*snicker* Very likely, because, after recovering, he'd throw a tantrum about them doing their freakish unnaturalness on him, which would force them to subdue him magically, which in turn would raise his temper ... Are we sure he didn't die from heart failure caused by fury during that year?  |
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Post by KellBellx on Jul 11, 2012 8:32:53 GMT -5
Haha it would be a never-ending cycle. At least Hestia and Dedalus would never get bored; I'm sure they know of a few interesting hexes that just happen to slip out. I happen to think the spell that causes a person's tongue to stick to the roof of their mouth would be a rather good one to use... |
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 11, 2012 9:11:21 GMT -5
I don't think either of them are redeemable. Petunia, I can still see with a lot of coercion, but if she's redeemed, than Vernon will go with her. He generally listens to her, which gives me the idea that she's in charge. So if Petunia's in charge, the abuse most likely is generated by her. Following that idea, than it's a good idea that neither are redeemable until Petunia changes her mind.
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Post by unbeastly on Jul 11, 2012 11:06:42 GMT -5
Though Vernon always seems frightened of her I've always felt that Petunia on her own would never have gone as far as Vernon did at times. Petunia may not have given him much but unless Vernon had forbidden him from eating she always feed him at least enough to keep him alive. I also don't believe for a second that she would not have noticed food was missing when Harry snuck some at night and I doubt he was ever punished for it otherwise I don't believe he would consider doing it after the snake incident in PS. Petunia's issues with Lily came from jealousy but I've always wondered if part of the reason for treating Harry the way she did was because she thought if she could stamp the magic out of him she could protect him from the world that stole and eventually killed her sister. Another thing is if Dumbledore put in the letter the fact that Lily died for Harry (and maybe that Harry was the target in the first place) if Petunia blamed Harry for her death because though the jealousy killed their friendship I don't think it killed all of Petunia's love for Lily otherwise Dumbledore's howler would not have done a thing to stop her from letting Vernon kick Harry out in OoTP. On the otherhand there is no way to redeem Vernon he is a bullying, abusive, prejudice git who should be put down along with Marge and that dog of hers Ripper.
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Post by Silenia on Jul 11, 2012 11:10:45 GMT -5
I would say that it's impossible, but I've actually read a few good, believable fics where one of them was redeemed one way or another. Usually Petunia, but I've seen some where it was Vernon, too. Can't remember what they were called, though. Those fics usually deviate from canon fairly early-on, though.
Even came across one where it was Marge that was redeemed and found out how wrong Vernon and Petunia were about Harry. -reminds self to search for that fic-
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 11, 2012 11:16:40 GMT -5
I would say that it's impossible, but I've actually read a few good, believable fics where one of them was redeemed one way or another. Usually Petunia, but I've seen some where it was Vernon, too. Can't remember what they were called, though. Those fics usually deviate from canon fairly early-on, though. Even came across one where it was Marge that was redeemed and found out how wrong Vernon and Petunia were about Harry. -reminds self to search for that fic- I think I know the one you're talking about. Is it Harsh Reality by Duochanfan? |
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Post by Silenia on Jul 11, 2012 11:20:26 GMT -5
I would say that it's impossible, but I've actually read a few good, believable fics where one of them was redeemed one way or another. Usually Petunia, but I've seen some where it was Vernon, too. Can't remember what they were called, though. Those fics usually deviate from canon fairly early-on, though. Even came across one where it was Marge that was redeemed and found out how wrong Vernon and Petunia were about Harry. -reminds self to search for that fic- I think I know the one you're talking about. Is it Harsh Reality by Duochanfan? I'd have to read a few chapters to make sure. Might be, but I thought the one I read was older than 09... either way, thank you. If it's the one I was looking for, I have now found it, and if it's not, I have found a new fic to read. =) |
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 11, 2012 11:26:02 GMT -5
If you didn't mean Harsh Reality, maybe you meant My Nephew Harry by Lucillia. That's the only other one I know of that features Marge getting redeemed.
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Post by Silenia on Jul 11, 2012 11:29:14 GMT -5
If you didn't mean Harsh Reality, maybe you meant My Nephew Harry by Lucillia. That's the only other one I know of that features Marge getting redeemed. Yes, Marge getting redeemed is extremely rare. I think that the only characters in Harry Potter fanfics getting redeemed less often are Um bitchbridge and Peter Pettigrew. XD Even Voldemort gets redeemed more often. Skip that, even Bellatrix probably gets redeemed more often. |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 11, 2012 11:30:37 GMT -5
*grin* Silenia, you don't need to be "good" about the toad's name. We spell it mostly Umbitch here, and so far no one has complained |
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Post by Silenia on Jul 11, 2012 11:43:43 GMT -5
Good to know. =) Felt it better to be a bit... cautious at first, though, but it's good to know that I don't have to be cautious about the name I give Trevor's lifemate.
Ouch, sorry, Trevor, that was harsh. I don't know what came over me - I know you have better taste than that.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 11, 2012 11:48:57 GMT -5
Understandable, I was the same at first, but by now too many do it. *snicker* Just did a search for the General Boards, out of curiosity. Result: Umbridge: 148 posts found Umbitch: 879 posts found That tells you all you need to know  LOL, true, poor Trevor deserves better than a poisonous psychopathic pink toad! |
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Post by Silenia on Jul 11, 2012 11:52:17 GMT -5
Oh, that reminds me of a search I once did on a different forum with a similar ratio, only instead of Umbridge/Umbitch, it was Dumbledore/Dumboldwhore. XD
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 11, 2012 11:53:24 GMT -5
Never even heard that version!
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Post by Silenia on Jul 11, 2012 12:09:12 GMT -5
But now you have. Voldemort/Moldieshorts is pretty well-known (and well-used too, of course) so you probably have heard of that one? ...hm, seems that we're straying off the topic at hands. (What are the 'rules' on getting off-topic at this place, by the way?) To get back on topic (well, sort of), seems that the story I meant was My Nephew Harry. Thank you, physicssquid. =) |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 11, 2012 12:16:01 GMT -5
You learn something new every day!
Yeah, Moldyshorts is one name I use often enough myself.
While *theoretically* we should stay on topic, *practically* we keep getting off topic all the time, sometimes for rather silly stuff. Sooner or later, someone will bring up a new question and drag us back on topic at the scruff of our necks.
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Post by Silenia on Jul 11, 2012 12:19:08 GMT -5
True. I learnt today that since my tongue is a muscle, it is actually capable of cramping up. Wasn't the nicest thing I ever learnt. ¬¬
Ah, sounds like things are fairly relaxed here, then. Good.
...I have seen forums where accidentally double-posting or straying off-topic could get you a serious, official warning. ¬¬
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 11, 2012 12:28:13 GMT -5
Some are rather uptight, aren't they? An accidental double-post is no reason to get nasty, IMO - it happened to me, too, when the internet was slow and nothing happened when I hit the send button, so I hit it again thinking I didn't hit the key properly, and then it was suddenly twice there. When I notice, I just delete the second one again.
As for straying off topic - then most of the regular posters should be banned already, lol. I don't know if someone will try to rein us in over time, but right now no one does, and so far we have always found our way back by way of some more or less entertaining detours.
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 11, 2012 12:35:47 GMT -5
Yes, sometimes people make a point about one thing in a thread, and it starts a whole conversation about something completely unrelated to the topic, but then someone brings up another point in the unrelated conversation, that drags everyone back to the original topic, sometimes kicking and screaming.
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Post by melodypottersnape on Jul 11, 2012 16:07:58 GMT -5
I've never been a big forum talker till this site.
I love the Marge redeemable fics.
My Nephew is the only Vernon being even somewhat redeemed I like.
Typically I hate any of the Dursleys being redeemed.
The only Petunia ones I like are the one were she was never cruel unless infront of Vernon.
I can't remember the name,b but there was one I really loved where She kept trying to get a divorce, but Dumbles kept blocking her. I think he eventually put the imperious on her to make her act more like Vernon.
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Post by lucyolsen on Jul 11, 2012 17:35:12 GMT -5
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Post by dracosfairmaiden on Jul 11, 2012 20:39:57 GMT -5
I think Petunia has the potential to be redeemed. A part of me believes that deep down, she really cared for Lily. I think she was just jealous of Lily and took her frustrations on Harry.
Vernon, I don't see him being redeemed. He's too set in his ways. At least Petunia's sister was a witch so she had more exposure to magic. Marge is the same as Vernon-I don't see her getting redeemed.
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Post by blackroses77 on Jul 11, 2012 21:18:09 GMT -5
Since Dudley seemed to be redeemed by the end of the series I'm sure he would have eventually drug his parents kicking and screaming with him.
Speaking of durley's redeemed stories, there is one I have been looking for for ages. After the war Harry left the wizarding world after Draco broke up with him to go along with the marriage his parents arranged for him. Harry went back to the Dursley's who deeply regreted their behavior towards him. Harry stayed with the Dursley's for about 5 years raising the daughter he had by Draco before Draco finds him and they get back together.
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 12, 2012 16:34:16 GMT -5
I think Dudley and Petunia could be redeemed, but it would take a LOT of work, probably years. I can't see the canon Vernon being redeemed, unless there was a really serious incident that changed his entire idea of the magical world, like Harry saving Dudley from a car crash using magic, or using a magical remedy to help Dudley/Petunia.
I do enjoy good Dursley stories, but they actually have to be good, and not just neutral. I think the best portrayal of a Petunia without Vernon to influence her was in the story "Brutal Harry" by Lordsfire.
I don't mind redeemed stories, unless they are the stupid ones where with one apology, Harry forgives them for everything.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 12, 2012 17:56:51 GMT -5
I agree with Vira on all counts.  |
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