Ron and Hermione Happy Fighting?

[brokenquill92]

The picking at each other is it some weird form of flirting

[mathalamus]

its supposed to be. however i do not see it as such, and thus declared it abuse, plain and simple. if i tried that, i would be arrested for domestic abuse.

[lucyolsen]

You'd get arresting for having an argument? Who is supposed to be abusing who in this situation? Because there is a lot of Ron bashing in the world, but Hermione is not so perfect herself.

[kumainpink]

Agreed, lucyolsen. Very much agreed.

[Kitty279]

Well, I think I have made my opinion more than clear in the Pet Peeves thread already - for me that doesn't work.

[G. Novella]

I think it depends on how you view the arguing.

Either you see it as a) Abusive or b) Flirting.

What I mean to say is that if you wish, you could say that they'll end up unhappy and divorced, or you'd say they end up happily married in a bickering sort of way. It all depends on how you've seen the relationship work.

Kitty's already mentioned in other threads that she's never seen a relationship like that work, and I've already mentioned my parents situation and how they're happily married in their own way.

While it may be my favorite pairing, it may not work for other people. I'm not saying all relationships with fighting are romantic, far from it in fact. But Ron and Hermione's relationship never seemed bitter to me when with each other. Where someone else may see them as terrible, others find them as passionate.

[brokenquill92]

I've actually seen quite a few of those relationships work

[Kitty279]

Exactly. I can see it work as long as it's just gentle teasing, but not when it sounds hurtful and derogatory too frequently and contains too many disagreements.

[brokenquill92]

Me and best friend actually do nothing but argue and pinch or poke each other we've that way for the past 3 years just us watching anime sneaking bottles of wine and trading insults

[Kitty279]

Ok, so you enjoy it. I never did. I guess we all rather hang out with like-minded people.

[brokenquill92]

Well there's also the point of liking a challenge and what better challenge than a discussion of philosphy mixed with verbal sparring it's not that we're not like minded it's that we're two sides of the same coin

[lucyolsen]

I wasn't trying to say anything, really. Because I can see both sides of the argument that either they love each other and it works, or it's abusive. I just had to say something when it was suggested that it was the type of abuse someone could get arrested for, because that's ridiculous.

[Kitty279]

I don't know ... to me it seems unlikely, too, but when students get punished for holding hands, anything is possible.

[Silvertongue]

I can't see how either of them could be arrested for any kind of abuse but I can see how an outsider to their relationship (maybe someone who's just met them) could see them at a bad time when they're arguing over something (I'm talking third year with Crookshanks style argument) and would think that they were a very unhappy couple who had some serious issues and could do with a break from each other, if not a break up.

[Kaiserin]

As much as I like Hermione, if their relationship escalated to the point of physical abuse (the only kind arrestable.) it would probably be her that hit him. Not saying any of that would happen.I'm not a huge fan of HrR but part of that was seeing first hand why their kind of relationship seldom works long term and if RHr does not work out long term it is both their faults.

[Serena R. Snape]

Didn't she send the birds at him in the 6th book? Is that considered physical abuse?

[brokenquill92]

Jul 7, 2012 19:31:43 GMT -5 Serena R. Snape said:

Didn't she send the birds at him in the 6th book? Is that considered physical abuse?

I consider it along the lines of a slap

[Silvertongue]

It said the birds left him with scratches all over him didn't it? I'd imagine beaks and claws on your face, hands and head would be quite painful.

[kumainpink]

Ouch... *winces* That would hurt quite a bit.

[Serena R. Snape]

So, it actually can be counted as physical abuse. o.o

[Kitty279]

It has to be more painful than a slap, IMO. So, yes.

[G. Novella]

And they say Hermione would be abused *snorts*

[kumainpink]

I don't see them hurting each other. While I do support the pairing, I also think they had a lot of issues to work out first. Perhaps Hermione dragged him to therapy or something? And together, they worked on their issues? *shrug*

[G. Novella]

I see the pairing working too, but I mean stories where Ron turns into an abusive git and Draco steps in to 'save' Hermione. The logic is so flawed in that sentence.

[kumainpink]

I know what you mean! I can enjoy bashings of Ron and/or Hermione, but I never take the work seriously when that happens.

[G. Novella]

My question to any author is if they like Hermione for being a strong character, how does she go from a girl who withstands torture and doesn't put up with anybody's shit, to a meek abused housewife? None of them make the transition believable in anyway.

[Kaiserin]

it happens. I know.

[ykickamoocow]

Jul 12, 2012 1:15:57 GMT -5 G. Novella said:

My question to any author is if they like Hermione for being a strong character, how does she go from a girl who withstands torture and doesn't put up with anybody's shit, to a meek abused housewife? None of them make the transition believable in anyway.

Exactly. Hermione in not a meek wallflower and she is not the type of woman who would ever stay in a relationship that could become abusive.

Also Ron would never be abusive (never) and in fact out of the trio Ron is the only one who did not hurt the other two (at least not when he was unaffected by a spell). Harry physically hurt both Ron and Hermione when he told Hedwig to attack them (both ROn and Hermione had bandages on their hands and Harry was glad that Hedwig hurt them) and as has been discussed Hermione attacked Ron with birds in HBP and in Deathly Hallows she physically punched him.

The only thing Ron did was he hit Harry once but he only did that because he was being affected by a love potion. Discounting that Ron has never hurt either Harry or Hermione and has never even come close to it either.

I wonder how fandom would react if Hermione and Ron swapped positions in HBP and it was Ron that attacked Hermione when he saw her snogging another guy. Something tells me the fandom would crucify Ron in a way they have never done with Hermione.

On another note as for their bickering Ron and Hermione enjoyed it as i remember in OotP Harry yelled at them both to stop bickering and Ron and Hermione seemed quite offended at being interupted as they seemed to be enjoying bickering with one another.

[ykickamoocow]

I wonder if George Lucas had people complaining at him that Han Solo and Princess Leia were to different to be a successful couple. It would not surprise me if he did and there were probably still people at the end of the 3rd movie that wanted Luke and Leia to get together and refused to accept that Luke and Leia were bother and sister and somehow George Lucas was wrong.

[kumainpink]

And that's just the way fans are, Moocow. We're all different, and like things different ways. ^^