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Post by brokenquill92 on Sept 1, 2012 13:34:39 GMT -5
Some please explain this phenomenon to me
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Post by eskimoRock on Sept 1, 2012 16:09:20 GMT -5
I never understood that either! He isn't a nice person, he generally just walks around murdering people, and then people write lovely fluffy fanfiction about him and his cats.
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Post by physicssquid on Sept 1, 2012 17:29:14 GMT -5
From what I can tell, those people who read and write NICE Voldie fics, actually like him. Now, I know he isn't a nice and cuddly character, but he does have a certain 'je ne sais quoi', and while I know I could never write a fic with Voldy being nice, I do like to read that type occasionally.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 3, 2012 0:18:17 GMT -5
That sort of story gives me the creeps. He was a nasty, cruel boy even before he came to Hogwarts, and these 'nice Voldy' stories are so OOC that I can't read them.
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Post by jaffaninja on Sept 3, 2012 0:32:15 GMT -5
One of the things I hate most in fanfiction is when Voldemort is OOC like that. I don't mind stories where for whatever reason, when Harry is younger he joins the dark, but when he goes all nice and fluffy... urgh. I just can't stand reading stuff like that. Don't even get me started on HP/LV. That's just too damn creepy for words.
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Post by dracosfairmaiden on Sept 3, 2012 10:53:45 GMT -5
I don't like them because I find them too OOC. I don't get where's its coming from. And yes, Harry/Voldemort is creepy.
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Post by teflonbilly on Sept 3, 2012 23:11:01 GMT -5
I don't understand it either, he's basically is a less sophisticated or urbane Hannibal Lecter crossed with Adolf Hitler.
He all but admits to Dumbledore at their first meeting that he was torturing and murdering children at the orphanage when he was only 10 years old, and was mentally dominating muggles with magic by then as well.
Unlike Lecter, there is no mystery to his motivations, he wants to boss people around, he want sot be in control of both himself and to take away control from other people over their own lives, even from the youngest of ages.
These are just the same people that fall all over themselves writing that worthless scumbag Draco as anything but the snivelling spoiled bigotted coward that he was in the books into something that he was not.
I consider writing Voldemort as anything other than irredimably evil and perverse like trying to write Grand Moff Tarkin or the Emperor as nice people. Both had no compuction of murdering BILLIONS of people on the merriest whim (look what Tarkin did to Alderaan, an entire planet of billions of people wiped out on his order.)
Whereas at least with Vader was shown to be conflicted and was able to actually redeem himself in the end, dieing in a state of grace. And ok, I'll admit that Draco could be redeemed as a character this way, But Vader never demonstrated the cowardice and total lack of will that Draco did all through the books.
TB
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 4, 2012 0:00:05 GMT -5
These are just the same people that fall all over themselves writing that worthless scumbag Draco as anything but the snivelling spoiled bigotted coward that he was in the books into something that he was not. *snicker* The Draco fangirls won't be happy with you, but I completely agree  Anyway, you are right about Voldemort, he was lost already at a very young age. Considering that we know which age they start Hogwarts at, he was a criminal even with 10, and you can't all put down to the orphanage. It may have been bad there, but many kids grew up in one without turning into a megalomaniac psychopath. |
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Post by blackroses77 on Sept 4, 2012 9:32:52 GMT -5
I like reading stories with good voldemort but only when it's a case of him doing what he has done because of curses put on him by dumbledore and he has somehow managed to regain his sanity by breaking the curses. I have also read good stories where dumbles tricked or forced him to split his soul causing him to become the voldemort in the books and he starts putting his soul back together and regaining his sanity.
As for what he did at the orphanage him stealing things and being anti social could have just been him acting out like lots of kids do. And again I read another story that explained that dumbles felt his power on that first meeting and started his manipulations then by putting him under a spell that caused him to start becoming cruel. I don't remember exactly but did the book ever mention when he took those kids into the cave, was it before or after dumbles visited.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 4, 2012 12:54:15 GMT -5
According to what Dumbledore told Harry (or rather, the woman in the orphanage told Dumbledore) Riddle very likely was the one to hang the pet rabbit of another child. And she told about the cave incident then, too, so he was only 10 at most when he scared these other children to death. So, it went far beyond stealing and being anti-social even at this young age.
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Post by melodypottersnape on Sept 4, 2012 13:38:26 GMT -5
I can read fics were voldie had spells on him. I can read ones that has a DarkEvil Harry. I don't really like ones were voldie will be nice and mean somewhere else or redeemedVoldie.
I even read one that had Dumbles and a group under his command framing people who he didn't agree politically with for DE attacks. Basically he had people use polyjuice to committ crimes and things like that. He used this group to act like voldie for Harry's confrontations. It was actually pretty good.
I read one were the matron committed the murder of those kids.(I can't remember the reason) She also excorsied Tom and her alienation of him caused others to pick on him, blame him for things they did, and even sometimes frame him.(rabbit incedent and cases of theft) Tom started to use his magic to defend himself and to recieve treatment he should have from the beggining. Dumbles of course believed the matron and shaped voldie into the next Dark Lord. I haven't been able to find this one since and it's been years. I think it got deleted in the first purge of 2007, I think it was that year. Cause that was the year it dissappeared. Not to mention I think it got abandoned a few chapters in.
My point is that there are a few I can like but most of those good voldie fics are just headache inducing.
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Post by blackroses77 on Sept 4, 2012 17:11:42 GMT -5
It is hard to find a well written good voldemort story, and really the thing's he did has a kid don't have to be in the story the author can just pretend that never happened. That's what's so great about AU stories and OOC stories which I really like.
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Post by G. Novella on Sept 4, 2012 17:19:32 GMT -5
Okay, sorry, but the idea of Dumbledore manipulating Voldie to be evil is so far-fetched that I can't even begin to swallow it. This is the point of time where a person must step back, and look at everything Dumbledore's done in his time-line, and then look at Voldie's time-line. Dumbles messed up and manipulated people to pull the strings and have control over everything. Voldie deliberately killed, maimed, and tortured innocent people for the simple psychotic power-lust he had. What could Dumbles possibly gain from having a power-hungry megalomaniac running around trying to claim his power? Even evil!Dumbles would be smart enough to try and enchant Tom into submission, rather then competitor!
As for Voldie being a nice guy and all that razz, fuck no. By the age of ten, he was incapable of showing compassion. Assuming it was a nurture over nature thing, then we can say it was the orphanage that turned him into a psychopath. BUT based on the behavior of his parents, I'm more inclined to say nature, especially since his family history shows severe psychotic behavior, both sides. His father more sociopath than psychopath. But this familial behavior traces to the kid who begins to torture little kids.
I'm not saying it isn't possible for Voldemort not to be a crazy ass killer, but he'd never be good. Voldemort was a sociopath, and like all good sociopaths, he thrived on other people's pain. He'd have gone about causing suffering in the ways of trying to ruin people's lives as a tax-collector, minister writing evil laws, or even in a general Umbitch way.
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Post by Chameleon on Sept 7, 2012 1:36:35 GMT -5
Hmm. I just checked the differences between sociopath and pyschopath. I almost think that Voldie was sociopath in early, but then got turned to psycho. Don't know if that happens, but yeah.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 7, 2012 3:21:22 GMT -5
Well, not sure how that would be in a normal case, but with all the Horcruxes he made, all bets are off, I'd say. It certainly didn't him much good.
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Post by blackroses77 on Sept 7, 2012 6:01:18 GMT -5
I guess it really comes down to do you like AU and/or ooc stories. I do so I enjoy nice voldemort stories when they are as I described above. I read in another thread that you like ooc stories to Kitty  I was so happy to hear that, I was beginning to feel very out numbered...as in completely alone  So glad to have you on the dark side with me ;D |
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Post by princedice1 on Sept 7, 2012 7:02:28 GMT -5
I thought the purpose of Fan Fiction was to fill in the blanks, to explore the different scenario's of canon events, or what would Harry Potter be like in a alt. universe.
Star Trek has a mirror universe where Kirk was evil, Superman has bizzaro world, so why can't Harry Potter have a mirror universe where Tom Riddle is good, the weasley's are a greedy family, and so forth.
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Post by physicssquid on Sept 7, 2012 7:03:12 GMT -5
I also like Au/ooc stories. I read more of that type than the ones with all the characters staying in character.
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Post by blackroses77 on Sept 7, 2012 7:17:19 GMT -5
Yay there are more of us! It just seems like everyone is always complaing about character being ooc I thought I was the odd man out, glad I'm not |
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 7, 2012 8:27:25 GMT -5
I guess it comes down to which character is OOC, how much and in which way. I mean, a good, thoughtful, caring Voldy would be too much for me. As would a totally childish Sirius particularly after Azkaban. But to make Molly more controlling doesn't seem too much OOC, as she tends to be controlling, just for an example. To extend already existing traits to more doesn't seem so wrong as changing the whole personality.
Oh well, some people just want everything like in canon. But as Princedice said, what's the purpose of fanfiction if you follow canon slavishly? Some of my favourite fics are favourites exactly because they leave canon behind.
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Post by brokenquill92 on Sept 7, 2012 12:47:54 GMT -5
Look people I don't hate ooc characters it's just I'm sick of wading through nice Voldie and bitch Ginny to find a good ooc or au story
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 7, 2012 14:20:31 GMT -5
Was not talking about you, my dear, just remembering some reviews I have seen over time where people were complaining about every little detail that deviated from canon. They left the impression that they basically wanted a retelling of canon, but when I want canon, I read the books.
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Post by G. Novella on Sept 7, 2012 14:34:36 GMT -5
See, I don't mind AU, but completely OOC makes me cringe. Slight OOC is okay, or changing a trait here and there on a character, or placing them in strange new worlds, but why not just write an original fic instead of slapping on blatantly different characteristics on a character who has a certain fleshed out nature? I mean, I can still get controlling-Molly, but there's a fine line between Molly-the-slightly-obsessive-mother-hen, and Molly-the-greedy-bitch-who-could-care-less-about-her-children just so you can bash her character.
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Post by Chameleon on Sept 7, 2012 15:05:36 GMT -5
Yeah. I don't care much if it's slightly OOC. I mean... It's kind of impossible for us to do the characters completely canon. That's only in JKR's power. We often tend to change a trait or two.
But there's a line, as Gnovella said. Hmm. One of the things that annoy me slightly with AU stories, is that the characters often turn out to be exactly a cartoon copy from the book. I mean. A Harry grown up with his parents or Sirius, would be completely different from the self-sacrificing Harry we know.
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Post by brokenquill92 on Sept 7, 2012 16:07:06 GMT -5
Was not talking about you, my dear, just remembering some reviews I have seen over time where people were complaining about every little detail that deviated from canon. They left the impression that they basically wanted a retelling of canon, but when I want canon, I read the books. Oh I didn't mean u kitty I just meant in gen |
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 8, 2012 4:49:09 GMT -5
Good, was just wanting to make sure that you don't take it personal what I said before |
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