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Post by brokenquill92 on Oct 7, 2012 15:54:20 GMT -5
Does it ever bother anyone else when writers change the blood status of half-blood and muggle born characters to Pureblood? For me I sort of feel like these kinds of writers missed the entire point of the Harry Potter series. "What you re born doesn't matter the choices you do"
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 7, 2012 16:03:34 GMT -5
I hate when they suddenly say that Hermione is the lost Black daughter, and she isn't muggleborn, but pureblood. It's fine, but ... On some level it seems like they say that Hermione can't be really smart and all that, except if she's pureblood, and not muggleborn.
But, yes, it bothers me.
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Post by Nahara46 on Oct 7, 2012 18:05:44 GMT -5
I'm alright with it, as long as they don't imply that Muggleborns can't be intelligent. I actually quite like a story where she discovers she's someone else's daughter- as long as it's not solely for making her pureblood, I'm alright with it.
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Post by melodypottersnape on Oct 7, 2012 19:23:13 GMT -5
I'm okay with ones were she had some magical blood in her ancestors. like her great great great grandmother being a witch or squib, but Idon't like ones were they say her parents are really magicals living in the muggle world. I also hate ones were she is adopted and become pureblood. I find the ones were she was kidnapped okay if they are well written.
I'm okay with ones that make Lily a pureblood or halfblood if she was adopted or kidnapped. Though I read an okay one were I think her grandmother was the bloody baron's daughter and he accidently destroyed her magic.
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Post by jaffaninja on Oct 7, 2012 22:22:24 GMT -5
Don't all muggleborns have squib ancestors or something?
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Post by melodypottersnape on Oct 7, 2012 23:20:28 GMT -5
I thought that was a fanon thing because then were would magic have come from if one person wasn't originally a muggleborn to begin with
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 9, 2012 1:03:18 GMT -5
Yes, it is fanon, though I could imagine that many muggleborns have somewhere in their family tree a squib or something like that and the magical gen resurfaces in them. Some could in truth be illegitimate children - either because the mother cheated on her husband and had an affair with a wizard, even if she didn't know what he was, or as a consequence of rape. I can see Death Eaters raping muggle women and then just obliviating them.
As for the stories ... personally, I don't care much for making the muggleborns suddenly pureblood, and even less when Hermione is suddenly Dracos twin sister or something like that. No, thanks.
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 9, 2012 11:27:13 GMT -5
Oh yes. I really hate it when Hermione is suddenly Sirius' daughter. I'm so glad JKR didn't made it that way, since it would be way to cheesy, and Sirius should be Harry's, you know. Hermione has her parents, and Ron has his family ... Sirius was Harry's family.
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Post by melodypottersnape on Oct 9, 2012 12:16:46 GMT -5
I know. I hate any story that has the maurauders having children other than James. To me I think Remus and Sirius should be Harry's parental figures. I also dislike ones that has Harry somehow make Hermione a Potter and I'm not talking about ones were he marries her.
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Post by unbeastly on Oct 9, 2012 12:17:11 GMT -5
I completely agree. Sirius was always entirely Harry's and to take him away from him like that is completely wrong.
I have no problem if the magical relative is a distant ancestor because I don't actually think that it changes her blood status at all. Unless one of her parents is actually a witch/wizard than she is still technically a muggleborn as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 9, 2012 12:42:02 GMT -5
Oh definitely, I prefer it when Sirius is acting as a parental figure for Harry - we don't need Hermione to be identified as his daughter!
No, a magical relative some generations back wouldn't have enough importance to mean anything else than the child being muggleborn. A magical great-grandparent or something even further back doesn't change the fact that the parents are muggles, after all.
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 9, 2012 12:51:32 GMT -5
Yeah. Read some fic few weeks ago, where Hermione was Sirius' daughter and heard it all from Sirius' point of view in the events in PoA, how he couldn't look at her while he explained the things to Harry, how startling it was to have her call him "Mr. Black", and all that crap. I just cringed, since I just felt like the Hermione in the story had stolen Sirius away from Harry.
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 9, 2012 13:45:25 GMT -5
Oh, I totally understand how you felt there  She has already two parents and Harry has no one, we don't need her to take Sirius away from Harry, too. |
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Post by LadyBertazi on Aug 7, 2013 13:41:31 GMT -5
Honestly, I like fics where Hermione discovers that he is adopted and a pureblood witch, but only when there is a plausible story behind it, and not just to make it a pureblood. She's my favorite character, like that of many others, and I like how they read stories in which she is the main character. And this kind of fanfics where she learns, for example, who is the daughter of Bellatrix, has great appeal to me. That does not mean I do not understand the point of the Harry Potter books.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Aug 19, 2013 16:18:45 GMT -5
Perhaps the biggest problem I have with pureblood!Hermione stories is how quickly she usually drops her muggle parents and suddenly gloms onto these new parents. I can see being curious, or bombarding them with questions but leaving two people who raised you for most of your life just because you find out they aren't related to you seems cold.
Then again, so does removing her parents memories of her without their consent and sending them to Australia. But ignoring Book 7 is my hobby (I'm selling my signed copy of HP7 and debating whether to even buy another copy - I don't read it, even to fact check).
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 21, 2013 0:25:22 GMT -5
Ok, as that post is so elusive and pops up and vanishes at random, I managed to trick it in and copied it.
Random Passersby:
Perhaps the biggest problem I have with pureblood!Hermione stories is how quickly she usually drops her muggle parents and suddenly gloms onto these new parents. I can see being curious, or bombarding them with questions but leaving two people who raised you for most of your life just because you find out they aren't related to you seems cold.
Then again, so does removing her parents memories of her without their consent and sending them to Australia. But ignoring Book 7 is my hobby (I'm selling my signed copy of HP7 and debating whether to even buy another copy - I don't read it, even to fact check).
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Post by ayrine_sun on Sept 15, 2013 23:07:07 GMT -5
I also don't like when they change blood status, even more if they glorify it. It's like saying being an pureblood is better than a muggleborn. I am really curious how they came to this conclusion? I mean in the books a lot of purebloods are total idiots.
I didn't feel that removing the Grangers memories was a cold and a heartless move. I imagine that Hermione knew that her family might be targeted and that here parent wouldn't go into hiding if they weren't sure that she was in security and yes that meant to have their 18 year old daughter constantly with them (like any parents). So either she abandons Harry or her parents get killed because of her.
She probably know that if she told them first there would be an argument and I imagine she was afraid that they would undermine her determination, convince her to stay. I believe it was more painful for her, knowing that her parent forgot her and if she did die (there is a great chance in a war) all what they shared would die with her. In a way, she also tried to spare them the loss of a daughter, if she never came back, they would continue their life without the regret and the horror of letting their only daughter go to a world who killed her and their failure to protect her.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 29, 2013 8:07:06 GMT -5
You may be right in many points there, but don't you think it was quite a risk, seeing that Hermione never before had done a memory charm, and had no one to ask, but to go by books alone? What if she didn't just change their memories, but damaged them irreparably? And I have to admit, that, no matter how well-meant the whole thing was, I'd end up rather distrustful of someone who does that to me without so much as by-your-leave - even if it's close family. Who guarantees they are not doing it for other things as well, just because they mean well?
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Post by ayrine on Sept 29, 2013 8:45:25 GMT -5
That true, it was dangerous magic to perform, towing with someone mind isn't without consequences. I wouldn't deny it.
But in the end, IMHO, it is about taking responsibility and making choices. I do believe that sometimes one person is caught in a situation where she or he has to act. I believe it's what happened to Hermione. She had two choices, whip her parents memories with all the (bad) consequences that could happen or let them conserve them and bear the (bad) consequences too.
I can understand your worries if you are in the shoes of the parents, but I also understand Hermione's POV when I put myself in her shoes too. She did something reckless but they were also in a situation that demanded to act rapidly.
I still don't see the heartlessness, truly in a way, she was the one with the power to do something and she did something. It could be seen as being conceited and arrogant but she was just afraid, a 17 years old girl who is terrified for her parents and felt that she had to do something. Maybe once she grew up and had children on her own, she did see the wrong in that, but all I am saying is that it's difficult for me to attack her or criticize her for her choice. What would I have done in her place? Knowing that more than their Muggle's Status, it her connection to Harry that will make them a sure target for the most vicious monsters that have ever walked or crawled on earth.
And I tend to respect people who take initiatives, they probably make mistakes, but who doesn't? in the end they are courageous enough to do something. Probably why I defend Dumbledore so much. I feel it's unfair, in way, to bash people who are trying to do their best, and that's what I believe in: we, human, are not asked to succeed but to do our best.
As for intentions, isn't it the same with everything that happen in your life? Does someone do what he do for my best interest or is he using me? IMHO, it's an acknowledge that come with learning to know someone. You see all that person actions, you question his intention and then you decide if you can trust them or not? it's in a way, about having faith in someone.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Sept 30, 2013 10:42:03 GMT -5
I've had the 'fun' opportunity to lose memories. I'm missing 18 months of my life for various medical reasons. I can remember stuff which happened before, I can remember stuff which happened after. Those 18 months are blank.
That is an absolutely terrifying thing. The knowledge that I don't know what I was doing those 18 months, that people I know can make reference to that time and I don't know what they're talking about, is scary.
So yeah, my reaction to the Memory Charm is coloured by experience. Losing your memory, having your memory altered without any kind of consent is the second worst spell I can think of (Imperio then the Memory Charm).
I have to ask though, how hard would it have been to say 'Mum, Dad, there's a bad scary terrorist who's going to be attacking the UK for a while, would you mind leaving'? Would it be so hard to have tried first?
Did it really require reckless action? There's no suggestion in the books that the Death Eaters were actually going after the parents of muggleborns. Actual muggleborns, yeah, but their parents don't seem to feature. Granger isn't exactly a unique surname either, they could have disappeared without leaving the country.
Take initiative with your own self. Be courageous with your own self. If people follow you that's on them. You do not screw with other people's brains, with other people's autonomy, without asking them.
I'm not one to throw the word rape around but this...the only thing I can call it is mind-rape. Without their consent she took memories, emotions, people from them. She fundamentally changed their identities.
And I can't forgive that.
There were ways to keep them safe, to get them out of the country without taking their identities from them.
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Post by ayrine on Sept 30, 2013 13:30:00 GMT -5
Well firstly, sorry for what happened to you. And if you see it in the light of your situation, you probably are so angry that you don't want to see it from Hermione POV, but I will speak it too, because I believe that her decision affected her as much as her parents.
Secondly, if Hermione thought saying "Dad, Mum, there is a psychopath and crazy killers after me and you by extension and you have to go hiding while I have to go to one of the most dangerous mission ever that could last for years and I could probably die doing it and I wouldn't be able to contact you at all because I am hunted" and after that her parents leaving gently and accept to not have any news from her for years, she wouldn't have whipped their memories and I would think that the Grangers are crazy.
To let their 17 years old daughter go and die in a war that doesn't concern them because let face it, they are Muggles and that make a huge difference, I am sure most muggleborns hide the truth about what was happening in the wizarding world to their family or they would have left England presto and their children in tow.
Oh and Hermione isn't any muggleborn, she is Harry's closest friend and she told them a lot about Harry, so they are a target, a specific one, not just a random one.
No parents would go into hiding and let their child behind in this situation, even more if they don't see why she should get involved, Hermione knew it and that why she didn't ask first.
They would have resisted, guilt-tripped her to come with them, maybe forced her, she is still a minor in the Muggle world. She probably tried to avoid an argument, fearing that she would weaken and leave with them, when your mother in tears, beg you to come with her, when your father, the man you never seen crying, cry because he is afraid for you, and threaten to not leave without you, it's difficult to say no. And it did cost her, knowing that it was probably the last time she saw them and that they forgot her maybe forever.
Yes it not morally right but she thought she was doing the best for them, no doubt after finding her parents, they were angry and disappointed and hurt but it's a responsibility and a burden she chose to shoulder and that need courage. She didn't do it because she thought it was fun or that she wanted to experiment new spell and wanted living-targets or wanted her parents out of her sight so she could go have fun with her magical friends.
Taking initiative with yourself alone? When there is none to help you and you find yourself confronted to difficult choices and you fear for the lives of your loved ones, you take initiative about others. Letting people die just because you didn't want to do anything isn't better.
Yes, maybe she mind-raped or she even amputated them of a part of their life, maybe a part they would never get back. But in the end she was alone to do her choices and maybe she regret it but its done now.
If you don't want to forgive her, its your prerogative, even if I think that the one who can forgive or not are her parents.
So I stand by what I said, when everybody don't know what to do and are just paralyzed by fear, when you have the lives of people in your hands and the situation urge you to do something, then some people are courageous enough to act, they make mistakes and wrong decisions, but at last they try to do something.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Oct 3, 2013 8:59:02 GMT -5
I would have suggested something along the lines of 'Mum, Dad, there's a terrorist plotting to attack the British Isles please go on holiday for the temporary future. We are locked down in the school but I'll join you ASAP'
Secondly, Mr and Mrs Granger for all that we don't know much about them, are children of their times. Hermione was born in 1979. If we say her parents were both 25 (and that's aiming quite young) when she was born, that means they were born in 1954. Their parents would have lived and possibly fought through WWII, they would have grown up hearing about the Vietnam War on the radio, they might have had older siblings who had to do National Service, the Cold War would have been something they lived with, the threat of a nuclear attack, they would have been adults for the Falklands War and for the end of the Cold War.
You think they wouldn't understand fighting for a cause? Fighting for survival? Fighting for something or somebody that you love? They grew up with war on their doorstep.
Really? Because Voldemort, once he's conquered the wizarding world, is just going to leave the muggle world alone is he? As much as I am an advocate for bringing a gun to a wand fight, if Voldemort had any kind of tactical sense he could take over quickly enough.
I refer you again to the historical events which the Grangers would have had personal experience with. Britain has a history of getting into things which technically don't concern us.
She wouldn't be the first seventeen year old to go to war. My grandfather was the same age when he joined up to fight in WWII. He did it to protect his family, his country, his friends.
Also, it's not like Hermione has long to wait. She's less than two months off of her 18th birthday.
She 'knew it' how? I can put my hand on my heart and say that I don't have a clue how my mother would react if I called her up one day and said 'hey mum, I'm in danger and because of that you're in danger since they might use you to get to me, could you please go and stay with Uncle Jean for a while'. It's not exactly the sort of thing which comes up in day to day conversation. I hope she'd believe me and do what I asked, but since the situation hasn't arisen I cannot know how she would act.
And I lived with her every single day (minus some camping trips) from age 11 to 18. Which is more than you can say about Hermione and her parents.
She spent summer between first and second year (2 months or so) and the summer between second and third year (2 months) with them. Between her third and fourth year she presumably spent some time with them and some time at the Burrow (1 month). Between year four and year five she spent most of her time at 12 Grimmauld Place (1 month), similarly with between fifth and sixth year (1 month) and presumably she was at home up until she wiped her parents memories (3 weeks).
That's not even eight months of living in the same house over the course of seven years. Yes she writes to them, but do you really think she told them everything that happened?
If she did she'd have been pulled out of Hogwarts by Halloween 1991. 'Dear Mum and Dad, today I got attacked by a troll', 'Dear Mum and Dad, there's a monster loose in the school which can kill people and nobody knows what it is or how it's moving around', 'Dear Mum and Dad, remember Sirius Black from the news? Apparently he's going to be heading towards Hogwarts and so the ministry have Dementors guarding the school, they can suck out your soul you know'.
Maybe she regrets it but it's done. And now her parents have to live with the knowledge that their daughter was OK with doing that to them.
Was she really alone in making that kind of choice? It's not like she doesn't have friends or even Mr and Mrs Weasley to ask. It's not like there are other muggleborns who might be worried about exactly the same situation who she could contact and talk it through with.
I don't care how bloody guilty she felt afterwards, she did a horrible and potentially irreversible thing. Something she'd never tried and had no idea what the consequences could be.
There's 'taking initiative' and then there's 'playing god'.
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Post by ayrine on Oct 3, 2013 14:08:25 GMT -5
You seems to forget that Hermione doesn't know how many years it would last, being locked in a school for ten years for example? Are you serious? Her parents not having any news and not searching for her at all? Not trying to contact the school's teachers? Do you imagine any parents not trying to find out what happening? I don't. And when they do, they will be caught.
Sure they knew about war, but why would they accept that their 17 or even 18 years old daughter should go die for a war when she can survive and hide? Even more that in the contrary of Muggles wars, magical hiding and protections could be a lot more safer, probably why most wizards don't bother to fight their wars and just hide.
And while it's quite probable that Voldemort won't let the muggle's world alone, there is still adults wizards who should fight(most of them choose to do nothing, by the way), not their daughter. They won't feel as involved as let say the Weasleys because they only knew the magical world for some years and it's still foreign for them because the two worlds are completely separated, and magic is not worth it. Like Goblins and Centaures who believes that it's a Wisards Problem and they shouldn't get involved.
And if the situation is to the point where they have to go hide in another country and erase every trace of their past so they wouldn't be tracked, then it clear that their daughter should too.
Voldemort doesn't give a thought about muggles, the fact is that he just have to remain hidden, put an Imperius on the Muggle's minsters and pass laws that would help control them (like disarming the police and the army because of any reason or without reason at all or lower their budgets) and the muggles won't even realize what happening until it's too late and then, he can butcher them as he want(so the same strategy with the wizards).
Of course she would have been pulled of Hogwarts since Halloween 1991 if she had said to them what really happened. But I doubt she had. Even more, she could cover for few incidents happening in school only because there wasn't any exterior sign of what happening, the Grangers didn't receive the Daily Prophet and she still wrote them and reassured them. All that were different when she had to leave the Hoxcrux chase: no news from their daughter for long time and people getting killed mysteriously by dozens, I believe the Grangers would start asking question here.
Not spending every moments of your life with your parents doesn't mean they stopped to care for or love or worry for you. You could disappear for 20 years and your parents would still miss you like it was the first day, so you argument doesn't hold any wight with me.
Yes, she was alone. She couldn't get help from the police nor the Aurors.
She could have asked help from the Order, they could have hidden them, but that would mean they would be aware of the situation and would put their foot down and stop her. She also probably thought that the less persons involved, the less chances it was that her parents would be found.
Even more that what she was about to do needed to be a secret that not even the order knew about and while the Mr. & Mrs Weasleys relied too much upon Dumbledore and could be calmed by the "Dumbledore's orders" dogma, the Grangers didn't worship Dumbledore, so they wouldn't accept it.
The other muggleborns aren't in her situation. They were searched for their alleged stealing of magic, she was researched because of her involvement with Harry, it's known that she is probably with him, and Voldemort is obsessed with Harry. So while other muggleborn were chased for the bounty, she and anyone who could help the DE to find her would be searched to get to Harry. That's make a big difference.
As I lived in a country who suffered the terror and the horror of a civilian war for 10 years, where people were killed and mutilated and babies were fried alive, entire villages were decimated and the government was completely incapable to stop that horror, and it's people who took on themselves to protect each other, they took initiatives that they shouldn't have, they probably made mistakes and hurt other people but they also saved lives when most of the population was panicked and didn't trust each other and just hide. So yes, they weren't helped, they were left to themselves.
If that's for you "playing God", than thank God for those people who "play God".
And if you don't know how your parents would react, I know how mine would, my parents would die for me, and do their utmost to protect me. And they wouldn't go into hiding when they don't know where I am or what happening to me. If I don't give any news for few days, my parents wouldn't just shrug it and forget me, they would worry themselves sick and search for me.
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Post by Kitty279 on Oct 5, 2013 8:15:32 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Ayrine, I understand where you come from, but I am with RandomPasserby here. What Hermione did there, even with the best intentions, was inexcusable, and if JKR were even vaguely realistic in her reactions to anything, would destroy the family. A daughter that robs her family basically of 17 - or, if you count the pregnancy - 18 years of their lives, without discussing anything with them, not giving them any choice, that's too much. How can you trust someone who does that ever again? To me it already seemed as if Hermione doesn't care for her parents that much; she spent about 9 months or more per year in Hogwarts, and then she comes home for the holidays and once again has to run off to her friends after a short time? Did that ever strike you strange? That obliviation was just the icing on the cake there.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Oct 5, 2013 10:10:27 GMT -5
I wasn't suggesting she actually stay locked down in the school, I was suggesting she say she was locked down in the school so her parents would believe she was somewhere safe.
Large difference.
I never said they didn't love her or she didn't love them. I said she didn't know them.
Yes you could disappear for 20 years and I don't doubt your parents would still love you and miss you the entire time. But when you returned, 20 years older with 20 years of life under your belt, they wouldn't know you at all. They would know who you had been, but not who you were now. Everything about you, apart from your DNA, might have changed.
That doesn't negate the love but they wouldn't understand why you acted the way you did.
Likewise you wouldn't know them. If you remembered them (this would depend on when you disappeared) then you would likely have fond and idealised memories of your parents at the age you disappeared. The two adults standing in front of you could be total strangers except for DNA and some shared memories.
What that does mean is that if you asked the returned child or the parents to predict how the other would react to a stressful situation they would probably be wrong. Because they wouldn't have observed enough about each other to form an accurate hypothesis.
Hermione does not have enough data to make the decision she does without asking her parents.
They don't know that a large portion of the adult wizards aren't fighting, they don't know about any kind of magical protection. Hell, Hermione could have told them that the magical governement was conscripting all adult witches and wizards into fighting Voldemort and advising all non-magical parents of magical adults to get out of the country.
Who said anything about erasing their entire past? Hermione certainly didn't do that, or she would have been there forever. All they need to do is get out of range. I doubt finding them was a huge priority, especially since the three people they actually wanted were still in the UK, so if they could get out of the UK then Voldemort would probably have deemed it too much effort to go and get them.
They weren't worried that the new totalitarian government hates them and wants to kill them and their families? Because I'm fairly sure they were.
And they can conclusively point to the people they saved and say 'I saved those people by doing what I did'. And it's unlikely they saved the people they saved by non-consensually messing with their brains.
Hermione's reasoning was dubious at best, she took a last minute action first and at the time she took it, her parents weren't in danger (the Ministry hadn't fallen yet).
Also, it's not like Voldemort can't break memory charms and I doubt magical tracking recognises name-changes. If the DE were really that interested in finding her parents then all she's done is made them suffer more because now Voldemort has to break their minds to get the information he wants.
What if protecting you meant leaving you? Not for their sake, for yours.
Part of protecting somebody means hiding their weaknesses. If my weakness is my non magical parents and they want to protect me, they can protect me by protecting themselves.
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Post by ayrine on Oct 5, 2013 12:09:55 GMT -5
It doesn't make a difference at all. Even if she “says” to her parents that she is locked for the time being, there is little chance that her parents would accept to stay without news from her. Not for a long long time.
Even if you don’t know every little details about your parents, that doesn't mean that you don’t understand them or know them, and not knowing every facet of their past or not being there for every single birthday doesn't make you a stranger. I am sorry, even I can’t imagine any balanced parents let their untrained kid go and die in a war that they believe don’t concern her.
But fair enough, Hermione couldn't be 100% sure of her parents reaction, she acted by assuming their reaction based on what she know of them. Being their daughter, even if she spent less time with them the 6 last years, gives her more credit about knowing her parents than anyone else. And that include us two. So yes, maybe she was only 90% sure of it. She still has to act and act rapidly, she took the chance protecting them.
So OK they wouldn't know that most wizards don’t fight, but if they believe that most wizards fight, then their daughter should be at school learning and finishing her education and they still should be able to contact her.
She may not have erased their entire past but everything concerning her, magic and their real name, she would have to erase enough to make them suspect something.
But would they go out of UK, and how much patience would they have waiting in the sideline without knowing if their daughter is alive or not, if she hurt somewhere and need their help? If it was let say for just some weeks and they still had some of her news from time to time, maybe. But she was going to an uncertain expedition, she could tell them she was going to the school, but do you believe they wouldn't try to contact school? Staying like that, hiding when they don’t know if their daughter is already dead? No they probably would try to find her. So even if she tells them that they are her weakness, and they should hide, they wouldn't if they are not sure that she is safe first, because that why they are willing to hide for.
Sure the rest of the muggleborns feared for their family as does the wizard kids. They feared that their parents being in the bad place, bad time and getting Killed. But like you said, the ministry hasn't fallen yet, and the muggleborns had that reassurance at the time, the ministry was with them. Hermione know that when the news about not returning to Hogwarts will be out, Voldemort will try to find Harry. And then, he will try to find any link to him. That means the Dursleys, the Weasleys and the Grangers would be targeted. The Dursleys don’t care about Harry much, so Harry could go unnoticed and they would never search for him. The Weasleys are purebloods, blood traitor yes, but purebloods nonetheless. So Ron used the goule in the attic as a subterfuge and protected his family. The Grangers are muggles, they would be killed either they gave information or not and they wouldn't stay hidden when not knowing where their daughter is or if she is alive (I think I repeated myself enough).
Name-changing tracking? Sure Voldemort could have find them possibly in the end but the why make it easier for him, and she wasn't condemning them to more suffering, she was lessening their chances of be caught, hiding them in a great mass of unknown people and where they wouldn't stand out accidentally by trying to get news about what happening, because Voldemort would have tortured and killed them if they found them, and that the only thing she was sure of.
They may have not messed with their mind, but there were mistakes and some torture and some of them messed with their bodies. It doesn't mean that it hurts less too be hurt physically. They could say I saved your life but I hurt someone else because I was acting in the blindness.
Hermione may have made a mistake, but until you live that fear and terror, until you find yourself in her shoes (what I hope you never do), I had like for you to try to understand her. It’s not the same as taking the decision in peace time, when you can look and re-look into all your options, try this and that and everything, but it’s really, really difficult to do so in a panic and fear, in a time of war.
All your feeling of indignation are understandable, but I still give her all my respect and all my support because she knows how corrupt the wizardings governments is and how cruel Voldermort is too. And she did what she thought was right.
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Post by ayrine on Oct 5, 2013 12:43:26 GMT -5
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As for not spending every vacancy with them, hello, she is a teenager and one who probably never had that much friends before. Her parents could understand that she needed to spend some time with her friends outside of the school, it's a typical teenager behavior.
And it was 3 days in the summer before the 3th year (so she could take the train with the Weasleys and Harry), 15 days in the summer before the 4th year (so she could see the Quidditch world cup), then and after that, she was safer in the Orders Head-Center because of Voldemort was back. She spent most her holidays with her parents, except the spring's ones but then most students stayed at Hogwarts because they had too much homework and she wouldn't be able to be with them anyway with her nose plunged in her books, even more when you see the load of work she has habitually and more particularly in her 3rd year.
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Post by physicssquid on Oct 5, 2013 13:03:23 GMT -5
There's also the fact that given Hermione's position in the war, as one of Harry's best friends, she would have a better idea of the situation. She undoubtedly knew that after the death of Dumbledore, Voldemort would take over the Ministry far quicker than if Dumbledore was still alive. After-all, Dumbledore was the only one Voldemort ever feared, so wouldn't Hermione realise that it was only a matter of time before the Ministry fell, and Voldemort gained the ability to use the probably vast resources to find anyone who was known to be connected to Harry?
Unfortunately, I think this is a topic we're all going to have to agree to disagree on. I can see both sides of the argument, but, I agree that Hermione did the best she could in a bad situation, and if I was in her shoes, I would do the same thing. She probably figured that her parents, while having lost seventeen or eighteen years of their lives, would be better off not knowing that their daughter, their princess, was off risking her life for a world that they aren't part of.
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She has already two parents and Harry has no one, we don't need her to take Sirius away from Harry, too.
