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Post by Miss Wings on Apr 21, 2014 10:45:43 GMT -5
What if Harry didn't want to be on the Quidditch team or he didn't want to be a seeker?
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Post by stelladelnordxd on Apr 21, 2014 15:25:30 GMT -5
That would be so interesting. Without that, Harry wouldn't have had the broom, so Quirrel would have had to find another way to kill him. Harry probably wouldn't have overheard the conversation between Snape and Quirrell, and of course, getting past the key room would've been nearly impossible. A lot of things would have changed, for sure.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Apr 22, 2014 0:18:43 GMT -5
I don't think anybody actually asks Harry whether he wants to be on the Quidditch team in the first place. McGonagall says to Wood 'I found you a Seeker' and that's apparently it. Wood tries Harry out for the team, McGonagall and Dumbledore buy Harry a broom and Harry ends up playing Quidditch.
I doubt eleven year old Harry, who hadn't been at Hogwarts for very long and was worried about being caned would have had the gumption to say 'um no thanks' to a professor and a fourth year.
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Post by Kitty279 on Apr 22, 2014 0:27:01 GMT -5
That's going all through the series, not just with Quidditch. Harry has no say in his life, Dumbledore decides over every aspect of his life, from his holidays to if his friends are allowed to talk to him and what they can tell him.
That, and Harry is "Dursley trained", and has learned not to argue with authority.
There was some small story, oneshot or so, I did read long ago where Harry was really forced into the team, but had to buy the broom himself, even though he didn't want to play. When he said as much, he was threatened with expulsion. Needless to say, he only lasted till Christmas or so before he decided to not return.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Apr 22, 2014 0:47:00 GMT -5
That's going all through the series, not just with Quidditch. Harry has no say in his life, Dumbledore decides over every aspect of his life, from his holidays to if his friends are allowed to talk to him and what they can tell him. That, and Harry is "Dursley trained", and has learned not to argue with authority. Not only that but one of the lines that most people forget (which is relevant here) is that Harry thinks Wood is a type of cane. According to the Lexicon (which I trust more than the Wiki), at the time of Harry's flying lesson he's been at Hogwarts for 11 days. This is before the Troll, so it's before he's friends with Hermione. That means his only friend is Ron, who has likely been talking about Quidditch kind of a lot. It also means that he hasn't really gotten in trouble yet, so he legitimately thinks he's about to be beaten with a cane when McGonagall says the thing about him being a Seeker now. It's understandable that he says yes no matter how much he really likes Quidditch. Also, does anybody find it funny that we have exactly one (heavily disrupted) flying lesson and that's never mentioned again. Does Hooch only teach 2 classes a year (1st year broomstick flying with 2 houses apiece) and then spend the rest of the year refereeing the six Quidditch matches? Wow, that sounds like a nice job. |
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Post by Miss Wings on Apr 22, 2014 6:25:21 GMT -5
Plus who's bank did the money for the broom come out of?
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Post by RandomPasserby on Apr 22, 2014 7:20:50 GMT -5
Yeah I have to wonder about that. Because that Nimbus probably did not come cheap.
Either Dumbledore paid for it himself, Dumbledore paid for it out of Harry's vault or Dumbledore paid for it out of the school funds.
Best case, he paid for it himself (like Sirius did with the Firebolt). The other two are equally as bad - either he stole from Harry or he spent a ton of school money on something for one student.
I mean at least Malfoy bought Nimbus 2000's for the entire team.
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Post by Miss Wings on Apr 22, 2014 9:28:31 GMT -5
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Post by stelladelnordxd on Apr 22, 2014 13:41:21 GMT -5
The first chapter can be thought of as really gross if you think of it as a 'nineteen years later' thought -wrinkles nose-
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Post by Kitty279 on Apr 23, 2014 0:20:53 GMT -5
Oh yes, I noticed that we never heard about any more Quidditch lessons. Sure, Harry didn't need them, but what about Ron and Hermione? Seeing how the first Gryffindor/Slytherin lesson went, it is clear they needed more lessons. So it is a bit strange that we never hear about his friends having more lessons. Wouldn't Ron complain about having boring lessons while Harry got to train with the team? Wouldn't Neville and Hermione fret?
That reminds me of "Harry Potter, Junior Inquisitor", where not only the money for the Nimbus came out of Harry's vault without his knowledge or consent, but the money for the Firebolt as well, because the teachers could strip it, but not repair the damage they had done, and took Harry's money to pay for a replacement ...
That chapter was one of the most disturbing ones in that series of stories, Wingsy.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Apr 23, 2014 14:29:25 GMT -5
Oh yes, I noticed that we never heard about any more Quidditch lessons. Sure, Harry didn't need them, but what about Ron and Hermione? Seeing how the first Gryffindor/Slytherin lesson went, it is clear they needed more lessons. So it is a bit strange that we never hear about his friends having more lessons. Wouldn't Ron complain about having boring lessons while Harry got to train with the team? Wouldn't Neville and Hermione fret? That reminds me of "Harry Potter, Junior Inquisitor", where not only the money for the Nimbus came out of Harry's vault without his knowledge or consent, but the money for the Firebolt as well, because the teachers could strip it, but not repair the damage they had done, and took Harry's money to pay for a replacement ... That chapter was one of the most disturbing ones in that series of stories, Wingsy. That's a really interesting story, thanks for the rec. Now that I think about it, the Firebolt thing bothers me. I mean Christ, that's like taking a Formula 1 car to your local mechanic...not even a mechanic, just your neighbour down the road who occasionally fixes his car and saying 'I want you to disassemble and then rebuild this car'. I wonder how much damage they actually did to it. And why would you have to strip it down to look for dangerous charms or whatever? Wouldn't the charms just be there? |
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Post by Kitty279 on Apr 24, 2014 8:41:05 GMT -5
You're welcome. It's a great story, or was until the last two chapters, I am not sure if I even want to continue now. Right now I am refusing to read. It probably took so long for Harry to get his Firebolt back because the teachers completely ruined it  And the stripping down makes no sense whatsoever, no. If they are even remotely competent enough to check the broom in the first place, they ought to be able to check what spells or charms are on it, and not by taking them all off and re-applying them. Either there is a curse on it, then find it and remove it. Or there is none, then they are taking charms away that are making the broom function in the first place, and the likelyhood of them causing more damage than the non-existent curse is another concern. Imagine they had actually removed all the factory-set charms and reapplied them and made a mistake? I mean, neither Flitwick nor McGonagall are broom building experts, and if it was that easy, why was the Firebolt so expensive? They could have actually killed Harry with their idiocy. |
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Post by RandomPasserby on Apr 24, 2014 8:58:47 GMT -5
That would be an interesting story. The charms fail or something mid-match and Harry plows into the stands or into the ground.
Also, why didn't they just contact the people who made the Firebolt and ask 'hey, where was this Firebolt sent from?'. Because if it came direct from the factory/distribution centre (like Quality Quidditch Supplies) to Hogwarts then why would they need to check it. If it was sent somewhere else first then couldn't they have just sent it back to the people who made it to get it looked at?
Or hell, if they mentioned to the Firebolt people that this was Harry Potter's broomstick I'm sure they would have exchanged it for a definitely non-cursed one.
But yeah, it can't be that easy to make a top of the line racing broom or everyone would do it. Madam Pomfrey would be treating injuries from people who were trying to make brooms constantly.
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Post by Kitty279 on Apr 24, 2014 10:39:50 GMT -5
Interesting story, indeed. Imagine the uproar if it came out that two mere school teachers thought they can strip a world class broom and put it back together! And what would Hermione feel, as she was the one who ran to a teacher without really discussing it with Harry, and then the teachers, in her eyes holy authorities, caused that accident or even death because they ruined a perfectly fine and safe broom ...
Easy answer. They are wizards, which means, they can't think logically and don't have any common sense.
Exactly. Ron would certainly have tried, seeing how he was always whining about not having money and all that.
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Post by Miss Wings on Apr 24, 2014 11:44:18 GMT -5
I think I've seen a one shot where it turned out that they had actually used Harry's money to buy him a new firebolt without saying anything.
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Post by RandomPasserby on Apr 24, 2014 11:47:48 GMT -5
I imagine the Firebolt people would be really pissed off. I mean the wizarding world must have some laws about trade secrets (otherwise anybody could just buy a Firebolt, copy all the charms and sell knock-offs for a fraction of the price). Also it would look like it was their faulty brooms which injured/killed the Boy-Who-Lived.
I'm not sure if Sirius would be really upset or really angry. On one hand it's sort of partially his fault, on the other it's really not.
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Post by stelladelnordxd on Apr 24, 2014 11:54:55 GMT -5
I'd imagine Sirius would be a little bit of both. He'd understand it's kind of his fault, but at the same time -- he'd still be angry for his godson.
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Apr 25, 2014 9:49:22 GMT -5
I don't think anybody actually asks Harry whether he wants to be on the Quidditch team in the first place. McGonagall says to Wood 'I found you a Seeker' and that's apparently it. Wood tries Harry out for the team, McGonagall and Dumbledore buy Harry a broom and Harry ends up playing Quidditch. I doubt eleven year old Harry, who hadn't been at Hogwarts for very long and was worried about being caned would have had the gumption to say 'um no thanks' to a professor and a fourth year. Sorry, but I have to point this out. In Harry's third year, Wood was entering his last year at Hogwarts. So he'd have to be in his fifth year when Harry was being recruited for the Quidditch team. Though that does, RandomPasserby make your point all the more interesting. |
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