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Post by anjafifi on Apr 28, 2015 15:25:27 GMT -5
I had a thought. If basilisk venom destroys the horrocruxs, then why did the one in Harry survive when he got bitten by the basilisk? Shouldn´t that had destroyed it?
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Post by Kitty279 on Apr 29, 2015 0:11:24 GMT -5
Because that would have been too easy?
Seriously, though, I have been wondering about that, too. Either the venom didn't have enough time before Fawkes interfered, or it's another plothole.
On a related note, what about Phoenix tears? If they are as light as we are made to believe, wouldn't their tears hurt such a dark object as a Horcrux, too?
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Post by anjafifi on Apr 30, 2015 7:16:50 GMT -5
I hadn´t even thought about the phoenix tears.
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Post by Kitty279 on May 1, 2015 6:41:51 GMT -5
Most would probably say that the tears countered the venom before the Horcrux was destroyed, but I sometimes wonder if the tears in itself would have damaged the soul piece, too. If love alone was enough to hurt Voldemort so much, what about these phoenix tears? Sure, canon doesn't say they would do anything, but that doesn't keep me from wondering. Even more so as the piece must have been tiny and not that powerful any more.
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Post by physicssquid on May 1, 2015 10:32:27 GMT -5
Wouldn't Harry have been the most inhospitable environment for a Horcrux anyway?
Since Harry was able to burn Quirrell, who was host to Voldemort, and the love Harry had for Sirius & his parents, was able to cause Voldemort such agony during the possession attempt, wouldn't the little shard of Voldemort's soul have been destroyed when it tried latching on to Harry in the first place?
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Post by Kitty279 on May 1, 2015 10:58:35 GMT -5
That, too. With Lily's protection at that time, the soulpiece should not have been able to find a hold on Harry. As I keep saying, that story has more holes than a Swiss cheese. Never got how that can be a real Horcrux anyway. If just killing made one, then there would be thousands of Horruxes around. So we have to assume you need a ritual. But how was that supposed to work? If Voldemort had prepared the ritual and container in advance, then the murder of James would have done it already, and if he had to finish the ritual after the murder, then Harry can't be a real Horcrux, and the soulpiece would be just a leech or something along that line.
How was Voldemort able to send visions, seeing as he then had to connect to Harry's mind? Wouldn't that set the protection off already, not only trying to possess him? And how could Voldemort use Harry's blood and with it Lily's protection without ending up writhing on the floor in pain? The books said he now had that protection, too - but up to that point, he was pretty allergic to said protection.
Then explain to me how the wards around Privet Drive were supposed to work after the graveyard, if they ever did that is. Voldemort could now touch Harry, after all. And the whole anchoring Harry to life due to that blood connection never made sense to me, to be honest. The whole idea is one big mess for me.
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Post by Miss Wings on May 2, 2015 16:19:04 GMT -5
I personally think that it would have to be put on the scar itself as that's the Horcrux isn't it? Just because Ron & Hermione wore the Horcrux didn't make them into one with the symptoms Harry had from the scar before he ever wore the necklace. Kind of similar if it was just 1 scale on Nagini that was the Horcrux rather than the whole animal.
It made more sense in my head than it does typing..
P.S. 17 years for the Battle today, 16 years to the birth of Victoire Weasley and now the birth of HRH Princess Cambridge born 13 hours, 44 Mins & 50 seconds ago.
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Post by Kitty279 on May 4, 2015 6:22:49 GMT -5
But how was it a Horcrux in the first place?
Wouldn't have noticed that date connection.
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Post by Miss Wings on May 4, 2015 10:14:04 GMT -5
Wouldn't have noticed the date connection myself if it wasn't for JK's Twitter account.
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Post by RandomPasserby on May 7, 2015 10:31:06 GMT -5
I suppose the most logical explanation would be that it either takes direct application of basilisk venom and Harry was bitten in the arm not the forehead.
Also human target vs. inanimate object. A human target would have to actually die and even that wouldn't kill a Horcrux, just make it float around the same way Voldemort did post-Quirrel. Which brings up the question. If Harry had died of the Basilisk venom would he have come back? Or was the resurrection killing curse specific?
As for the phoenix tears. I doubt anybody had combined Basilisk venom and Phoenix tears in anything other than a hypothetical thought experiment, let alone in a human body. My guess would be that the tears had enough healing power to deal with the fact Harry was nearly dead but not enough to deal with the Horcrux.
Actually I think Harry was supposed to be the ritual murder. Voldemort's crowning achievement - making his seventh Horcrux out of the soul of the boy prophesied to defeat him. Killing James was necessary, killing Lily was incidental. We don't know what happened between them dying and Voldemort exploding (and yes we have Harry's dementor memory of his mother screaming and green light but that could just as easily be Lily's murder not Harry's own experience with the AK). Which would also explain why Voldemort came alone rather than with a lot of Death Eaters, since he wouldn't want them to see the ritual.
Does Harry actually ever tell Dumbledore that Voldemort took his blood and used it in a ritual? I can't remember.
My guess is that the Horcux was more like cancer and Quirrel was more like an infection with Lily's protection like an immune system. Some parts of the immune system can recognise and fight cancers but that doesn't mean that the cancer goes away. Meanwhile Quirrel gets reacted to the same way an infection does if you have a nice, healthy immune system.
As for how Voldemort can send Harry visions. The only time he does that is after he's reborn with Harry's blood, which means (in this immune system analogy) he's a recognised as part of Harry. Everything before that is accidental dream sharing via Horcrux.
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Post by Celtic magic on May 7, 2015 19:56:53 GMT -5
Yes it says in Chapter 35 or 36 of GoF That Harry told Dumbledore that Voldemort or Wormtail for Voldemort, took blood and Dumbledore got up to see where Harry was cut.
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