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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 22, 2012 3:04:20 GMT -5
LOL! But then some know-it-all would point out that snakes don't have noses and all that  |
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Post by Chameleon on Jul 22, 2012 5:16:29 GMT -5
Ah yes... Movies were annoying. I saw several of the movies, before I started to read the books, but bah. It's annoying, after you've read the books, to see how many faults are there. I don't mind that, they cut several scenes out of it, and make a couple of new scenes, because that's fun to watch, and not just a completely bookmovie. But it has to be logical, and not just sprouting up new facts. It annoys me as hell, when it all becomes illogical. Laws are laws, and Hermione isn't that strong, and ... yeah, don't have time for figuring out more faults.
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Post by nightstar on Jul 23, 2012 16:55:19 GMT -5
The magical world JKR invented is wonderful, but the longer you think about it, the more such problems you find. Sometimes I could pity her, she certainly didn't expect that every word she's writing is going to be taken apart and gone over with a fine comb when she started writing ... I think it is interesting that there are so many errors and character flaws. But aside from that, has anyone else noticed that there are a few stories out there that in GoF have Harry's father push his way out of Voldie's wand before Harry's mother? I looked in my hard copy to double-check and it shows Lily arrive before James as it should be.  |
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 23, 2012 17:41:33 GMT -5
My hard copy also says Lily comes out first, then James, but you're right, I have seen some stories that have James coming out first, then Lily.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 23, 2012 17:49:01 GMT -5
Same here. It irks me a little. I mean, James died first, at least honor that.
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Post by nightstar on Jul 23, 2012 17:58:19 GMT -5
I know. It's common sense.
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Post by lucyolsen on Jul 23, 2012 18:12:15 GMT -5
The first issue of the American version had it backwards. JKR had it written correct, but an editor thought it was wrong and confused her into agreeing to changing it. It was changed back in later prints.
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Post by sherza on Jul 23, 2012 18:13:07 GMT -5
I think that error comes about thanks to the movies. I'm not sure (been a while since I watched that movie) but I think James comes out of Voldie's wand first in the movie.
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Post by nightstar on Jul 23, 2012 18:26:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure about that movie either.
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Post by lucyolsen on Jul 23, 2012 18:29:49 GMT -5
I don't know about the movie (I only wanted it once and it was before I read the book), but I know for certain what I said about the American first print of the book is true.
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Post by nightstar on Jul 23, 2012 20:56:04 GMT -5
Didn't doubt you. I was just thinking about something in the very first book. I know that the phrase 'it's magic' is the answer for a lot of things, but I have a huge problem with the first time Harry looks into the Mirror of Erised. How can a person see the perfect images of family and parents who has never seen them. If he doesn't remember them from his days prior to the Dursleys, aside from the people saying how alike he is to James once he rejoined the wizarding world, then how is the image of Lily so accurate? |
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 23, 2012 21:18:42 GMT -5
Harry might not consciously remember seeing his parents, but I think the Mirror works on the subconscious, and there is the possibility that he does remember them, but only subconsciously. Heck, the Dementors make him relive the night his parents died, so the memory has to be there, somewhere.
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Post by nightstar on Jul 23, 2012 21:32:51 GMT -5
I guess that could explain it.
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Post by sherza on Jul 23, 2012 21:36:34 GMT -5
Harry might not consciously remember seeing his parents, but I think the Mirror works on the subconscious, and there is the possibility that he does remember them, but only subconsciously. Heck, the Dementors make him relive the night his parents died, so the memory has to be there, somewhere. The only problem with your theory is it wasn't just his mom and dad he saw. He saw aunts, uncles, grandparents, great-grandparents, cousins, etc. (remember, there was a whole bunch of people in the mirror the first time he looked ... he just concentrated on James and Lily after the first few moments) and there is no way in HELL Harry had any idea at all what any of the people on James' side of the family looked like. His mom's side of the family, I can see, because Petunia HAD to have had a photo album or two around the house. But I can guarantee he's not seen so much as a photo of anyone on James' side of the family previously, nevermind met them as a baby. |
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Post by nightstar on Jul 23, 2012 23:03:00 GMT -5
There you go. Thanks, sherza, for validating my issue.  |
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Post by teflonbilly on Jul 23, 2012 23:27:31 GMT -5
Harry might not consciously remember seeing his parents, but I think the Mirror works on the subconscious, and there is the possibility that he does remember them, but only subconsciously. Heck, the Dementors make him relive the night his parents died, so the memory has to be there, somewhere. He doesn't need to have remembered them, the Mirror is MAGIC, it can show Harry's parents whether he has seen them in his memory or not. Now, whether Harry would recognize them immediately as his parents, well that depends. But owing to the fact that Harry looks so much like James, I think Harry's smart enough to make the connection fairly quickly. TB |
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Post by voice-on-the-wind on Jul 26, 2012 0:47:11 GMT -5
Me even opening this thread is like opening a can of worms, but too late now to turn back.... *evil shifty-eye movements*
My biggest peeve about changes/mistakes in the movies? Namely throwing Dobby to the curb between years two and seven, then all of a sudden have him popping up right when Harry conveniently needs help?? Nuh-uh, that doesn't fly with me, especially since the only reason Harry is so torn up and attached to Dobby is based a lot on what happens AFTER year two.
Also, burning the Burrow down in the sixth movie? I hate it, I don't get it, I hate it, it makes no sense for any reason whatsoever, and I hate it. If i could strangle a whole movie scene, that would be my first choice, hands-down. It makes even less sense knowing there will be a wedding there in at least sixth months timeline-wise.
Oh, and Dumbledore and Harry apparating away from Hogwarts at the end of the sixth movie annoys me too. Hermione reminds us all enough that it's completely impossible, and saying "there are perks to being a Headmaster" or whatever Dumbledore says doesn't cut it explanation-wise, in my opinion. That's blatantly ignoring a magical rule even JKR herself didn't make one exception for/break.
....okay, rant done now...
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 26, 2012 1:17:03 GMT -5
See, that's the purpose of these threads - to open as many cans of worms as we can find ;D
God, I'm so glad I refused to watch the movies!!
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Post by werewulfking on Jul 26, 2012 6:02:18 GMT -5
I really didn't like the werewolf in the third movie. It is clearly stated in the books that wolves and werewolves are really similar as there are just five signs that distinguish them.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 26, 2012 6:07:00 GMT -5
Sadly, not every director runs around with the books in his pocket and re-reads scenes all the time. And many have their very own ideas how something should look like etc. I guess all we can do is hoping for a remake while we still live |
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Post by werewulfking on Jul 26, 2012 6:11:35 GMT -5
Oh and another thing that is just a bit sloppy. James and Lily are played by much to old people in the movies, seeing as they were 21 when they died. I don't know but it couldn't have been very difficult to find somebody nearer to that age.
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Post by dracosfairmaiden on Jul 26, 2012 12:55:03 GMT -5
I read somewhere that Lily and James may have been played by older people because they would look like that if they had lived. I do agree that they should have kept them younger.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 26, 2012 12:57:09 GMT -5
Indeed. If people would age after they died, how ancient would most people in the afterlife look? |
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Post by sherza on Jul 27, 2012 18:13:33 GMT -5
It was probably also a decision driven by the choice of Rickman for Snape.
As brilliant as Rickman was in the role, there was NO hiding that he was a LOT older than the 31-32 he ought to have been in PS. And while some of the wear and tear could easily be handwaved away as stress from spying, not all of it could have been. Having a visibly 32-year-old James and Lily in the Mirror/elsewhere would have just made it that much more blatantly obvious.
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 27, 2012 18:53:02 GMT -5
The two reasons I don't get up in arms about mistakes in the movie is:
A) The book had plenty of mistakes, and that was written by the author. Expecting the director and writers of the movie to follow the book to the letter is unrealistic.
B) Compared to the movie Eragon, the HP movies followed the books extremely well.
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Post by werewulfking on Jul 28, 2012 15:36:47 GMT -5
Well viralic I would disagree on that. Perhaps the first two films were following the books more closely but after that I think it just went downhill.
Only the last two were a bit closer again but then again even they managed to leave out a lot.
But of course you are right by saying that the Eragon movie was very bad.
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