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Post by TeamSirius on Jul 11, 2012 14:23:20 GMT -5
I was re-watching Prisoner of Azkaban the other night and it really annoyed me when, at the beginning, Harry's using magic outside of school!
Was anyone else bothered by the mistakes they made in the films? And what other mistakes did you spot?
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 11, 2012 15:14:16 GMT -5
Hagrid being able to do a non-verbal spell in SS/PS when he was expelled in his third year--and non-verbal spells are taught in Sixth year.
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 11, 2012 15:35:12 GMT -5
Hagrid being able to do a non-verbal spell in SS/PS when he was expelled in his third year--and non-verbal spells are taught in Sixth year. I thought that was a stupid mistake, but there is the possibility that even if he wasn't allowed to do magic, Hagrid may have picked things up during the 48 years after being expelled. He lived in a school, and mabye some of the students taught him various spells and how to do them non-verbally, and he applied that to all the other spells he knew. |
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Post by melodypottersnape on Jul 11, 2012 15:56:38 GMT -5
The lumos in POA movie blew my mind when I first saw it. I literally went back to the second and third book and checked if the summer magic rules had changed anywhere just incase.
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 11, 2012 15:58:51 GMT -5
One thing I noticed at the beginning of the fourth movie, was that Barty Crouch jr was at Riddle House with Voldemort & Wormtail, but in the book, he was still stuck under the Imperius his father cast on him.
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 11, 2012 16:00:25 GMT -5
What about in the fifth movie, when Harry gets the letter saying he'd just been expelled from Hogwarts, they send a talking letter to tell Harry that he'd been expelled for doing magic in front of a muggle?
Speaking of which, I've never understood that. Dudley knew about magic already--and muggle borns probably get a brief time to show off what they learned so their families don't think they're wasting their time. Why should it matter?
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 11, 2012 16:09:02 GMT -5
The Ministry probably didn't realise that the muggle Harry did magic in front of was Dudley, or they knew but Fudge brushed that little bit of information under the carpet, to ensure that Harry got into trouble.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 12, 2012 0:35:06 GMT -5
What I would like to know is how they can tell who was around. The trace shows that magic was done, but how do they know that someone non-magical is around in the first place? And yes, I never understood why that little detail was never brought up - how can it endanger the Statue of Secrecy if the muggle already knew? Why did Dumbledore not mention it during the trial? It would have helped, too.
As for Fudge, of course he would ignore everything in Harry's favour, he wanted to discredit him, after all.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 12, 2012 0:51:56 GMT -5
The trace is just an inaccurate, poorly constructed mess! There needs to be a more logical approach to the issue of underage magic!
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Post by codygotkilld on Jul 12, 2012 0:56:38 GMT -5
But Kuma it's magic and you know how JKR is about "magic".
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 12, 2012 1:32:39 GMT -5
*grumbles* Is there a spell to instill logic to a person? I'd like to do a bit of magic on her ...
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 12, 2012 1:33:44 GMT -5
Hahaha! Sounds like someone wants to go on a warpath...
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 12, 2012 1:34:41 GMT -5
Ah Kitty, that's called 'common sense' or in writer speak 'not bribing your editor to do whatever you want because you're the first author to ever become a billionaire writing children's books'. Common Sense died out years ago, where have you been?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 12, 2012 1:35:20 GMT -5
Says the one who is waving groinsaws and all that ...  |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 12, 2012 1:38:02 GMT -5
*grins* Oh don't be that way, Kitty-chan!
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Post by codygotkilld on Jul 12, 2012 1:38:21 GMT -5
Yes and the spell is called large monetary loss due to bad financial decisions, or blowing your money for short, so that she writes more about the HP universe.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 12, 2012 1:41:08 GMT -5
Well, at least she's fueled out world of fanfic. Now if only she would read those books I sent her on psychology, abuse, and logic.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 12, 2012 1:42:40 GMT -5
Agreed. *frowns* I love JKR, I just wish she had thought more about the implications of things. That is something that kind of disturbs me a bit, looking back.
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 12, 2012 1:44:23 GMT -5
Don't forget Poverty.
Editor: So I see you finally gave the Weasleys some needed resources.
JKR: Yep, they're going to Egypt.
Editor: But, they're poor! You said so yourself. Wouldn't it be better to store that money to...I don't know, pay off debts, support their kids...
JKR: *waves hundreds of pounds in front of editor's face*
Editor: never mind, I'm sure you know best.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 12, 2012 1:46:44 GMT -5
How could I forget? I even bought the book! *gasps, and rushes off to mail it* The sad thing is that conversation sounds absolutely true Ginnyrules  And Pinky, if she thought about the implications, I'm pretty sure that the adults in the series would have been more competent. A hell of a lot more competent. Sometimes I think she based all their logic on her mind. |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 12, 2012 1:48:30 GMT -5
Same here, Pinky.
And Gnovella, may I add to the books you sent? I am sure I could find some more she needs to know and memorise.
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Post by codygotkilld on Jul 12, 2012 1:50:28 GMT -5
At times I think that JKR kind of forgot what she was writing before the books got big and the movies became blockbusters. It's like the first 3 books have major contradictions compared to the others or they had different facts then books 4-7.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 12, 2012 1:50:47 GMT -5
Definitely, I've got a truck hired to deliver them. Add as many as you like. *Throws in a copy of The Basic Understanding of Psychology*
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 12, 2012 1:54:09 GMT -5
@ Gnovella: is it sad that I picture many conversations between JKR and her editor that end in her waving hundred of pounds in front of the poor sod's face and the meeting be done?
Case in point: OotP.
Editor: Well it's good so far, but shouldn't Harry be punished for casting Cruico on Bellatrix?
JKR: No! He's the Chosen One. Besides, she's a Death Eater and he was under emotional distress.
Editor: O.o. Okay then, moving on. What about the Dursleys leaving him in a locked room alone? Shouldn't that be noted by a neighbor and authorities notified for abuse?
JKR: No! Besides the Order comes just minutes after. Besides, he wasn't abused.
Editor: But--
JKR: *in her mind* I pay your salary fool!
JKR: *real life* *waves hundreds of pounds in front of Editor's face*
Editor: Never mind.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 12, 2012 1:54:19 GMT -5
And Pinky, if she thought about the implications, I'm pretty sure that the adults in the series would have been more competent. A hell of a lot more competent. Sometimes I think she based all their logic on her mind. And what does that imply about her mind? Thanks! *throws a few more books onto the truck* |
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 12, 2012 2:00:45 GMT -5
Ginnyrules, I have so many conversations like that that I picture, but usually it involves the editor just giving up on her. But then, I usually typecast myself as editor and make it more of a comedy pointing out her flawed style  And Kitty, I really don't want to get in her mind. JKR: He's not abused! Rest of the World: *facepalm* Feel free to throw in your books, there's not enough room for what kind of learning she needs. |
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 12, 2012 2:03:41 GMT -5
Gnovella: what if there was a story based solely on possible conversations between JKR and her editor? Starting with SS/PS, and the editor getting more and more skeptic as the series goes on and JKR being sneakier and sneakier with how she avoids discussing plot holes?
I don't know why, but I picture her as a cross between Dumbledore and Madam Bones.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 12, 2012 2:04:21 GMT -5
Well, these conversations are always fun - and sooo true!
My face should already be bruised from all the facepalming I am doing!
Thanks, now we just need to make sure she reads them all! And then we are going to cross-examine her about what she learned from them, and if she gives the wrong answers, she has to re-read them.
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Post by codygotkilld on Jul 12, 2012 2:04:49 GMT -5
You would think that JKR would know about abuse since her first husband was abusive. It is not well know but there have been hints of this fact from many dependable sources.
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 12, 2012 2:05:46 GMT -5
Kitty...may I help? And then may we do the same to Stephanie Meyer (only include a book on basic grammar).
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