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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 4, 2012 7:38:41 GMT -5
Possible, or he reinforced already existing ones, as he was Slytherin and so many of his followers were Slytherins, too. After that, I believe it became a vicious circle. Snape was biased and the Slytherins got away with so much, causing more resentments and cementing the 'Slytherins are evil' thinking. Which had them retaliating even more, firing the prejudices ... and the teacher did nothing to calm things down, on the contrary.
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 4, 2012 7:42:30 GMT -5
Riddle did even more to cement the 'Slytherins are evil' beliefs, by being Slytherin's Heir and saying that everything he was doing, he was doing in the name of Salazar Slytherin.
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Post by mkatl1 on Jul 4, 2012 7:43:22 GMT -5
Barry crouch Jr was a hufflepuff wasnt he and worm tail was a Gryf .. So it's a load of Crap that it's just slytherin is evil and maybe it's the other house that don't give them a chance that make them sometimes turn bad ...
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 4, 2012 9:27:10 GMT -5
Few know about Wormtail, of course, but you are right that there were bad wizards in all houses. But people tend to go by majority. Besides, when the ones in Slytherin you see most from are people like Draco and Snape, I guess the prejudices are bound to be repeated for every new year.
I always wonder if things have changed after the final battle in that regard, and with a less biased head of Slytherin (if there is one).
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Post by Miss Wings on Jul 4, 2012 9:36:44 GMT -5
I believe that Dumbledore did it as another way of keeping Harry close to him. You have to admit that the Dursley's weren't exactly model parents and so Harry might not realize that what he and the others did at the end of the year could be any parents worse nightmare. A child going into danger like that would be punished but instead Dumbledore rewarded them. Hence being, more reason for them to keep getting in danger, they know that they won't be punished but rewarded instead.
Does that make sense?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 4, 2012 9:40:25 GMT -5
Yes, I understand what you mean. Harry would be happy that he got the points to win the cup, especially after the unfair 150 points McGonagall had taken and being shunned by the whole school for it, and that would make him look up to Dumbledore more. And when you consider the old codger at least slightly manipulative and seeing these end-of-year experiences as tests, too ...
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Post by Miss Wings on Jul 4, 2012 9:43:03 GMT -5
exactly, and i think that it's the reason that some RTB fics go way overboard with reactions.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 4, 2012 10:08:35 GMT -5
I love all of the houses, in a fashion. I'm just not fond of Dumbledore, or the way Slytherin is treated. It's just wrong.  |
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Post by Miss Wings on Jul 4, 2012 10:11:43 GMT -5
I don't have the Slytherin trains but I love the colour, Don't have brains so the Claw's are out and, Family & friends mean everything to me so I could be a Huffle and I'm definately a pure Gryffindor at heart. So does that make me Huffledor in Green robes?  |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 4, 2012 10:12:42 GMT -5
Yes it does, Wings. Yes it does.  |
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Post by Miss Wings on Jul 4, 2012 10:13:53 GMT -5
Don't like saying the last word of huffle. to me it feels/sounds derogitory to gay people.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 4, 2012 10:14:20 GMT -5
How so? I've never felt that way.
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Post by Miss Wings on Jul 4, 2012 10:16:26 GMT -5
Puff, it's what gay people are called aswell and after having a fair few of them in the family I just don't find it very pleasant.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 4, 2012 10:17:43 GMT -5
Ah, I see. Well I didn't think of it that way myself. I think it's a cute name. *chuckles* I'm weird, I know.
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Post by Miss Wings on Jul 4, 2012 10:18:14 GMT -5
i love the huffle part, it's funny
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Post by Kaiserin on Jul 4, 2012 10:54:31 GMT -5
well JKR calls "non-magic" people a bunch of marbles, so...
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Post by pamy on Jul 4, 2012 11:08:29 GMT -5
I actually read a nice little story where they had the "real" events of what happened with the Sirius/Snape incident, and to me it made a lot more sense. Essentially, Snape already knew Moony was a Werewolf, and had made remarks that he would "let it slip" (sound familiar?) and have Moony executed by pureblood bigots. Sirius dared Snape to go because Snape knew about Moony, so there would be no danger and he didn't expect him to go. Snape used a sleeping potion to knock out Sirius and Pettigrew, and went anyway. The reason Sirius only got detentions is because Dumbledore knew Snape had baited him, and he knew he went there on purpose, and was in no danger and only using the incident as an excuse to have a "rabid werewolf" put down. The entire plan was for Snape to frame Moony, and have the Ministry execute him. Sirius daring him was just a plus, because he knew he could use Sirius' words to have a reason to go, not only having Moony executed but also framing Sirius for "attempted murder" Which story is this? I'd like to read it. |
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 4, 2012 11:20:40 GMT -5
If I can find it, I'll link it. I read it about a year ago though, so it's hard to remember exactly which it was.
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Post by emeraldink4blood on Jul 4, 2012 16:30:40 GMT -5
I actually read a nice little story where they had the "real" events of what happened with the Sirius/Snape incident, and to me it made a lot more sense. Essentially, Snape already knew Moony was a Werewolf, and had made remarks that he would "let it slip" (sound familiar?) and have Moony executed by pureblood bigots. Sirius dared Snape to go because Snape knew about Moony, so there would be no danger and he didn't expect him to go. Snape used a sleeping potion to knock out Sirius and Pettigrew, and went anyway. The reason Sirius only got detentions is because Dumbledore knew Snape had baited him, and he knew he went there on purpose, and was in no danger and only using the incident as an excuse to have a "rabid werewolf" put down. The entire plan was for Snape to frame Moony, and have the Ministry execute him. Sirius daring him was just a plus, because he knew he could use Sirius' words to have a reason to go, not only having Moony executed but also framing Sirius for "attempted murder" Well that sounds ridiculous. Why the hell would Snape want Moony dead? True he was a Marauder but the only thing anyone can blame him for is lacking the spine necessary to tell his friends to shove off. I would also like to think that Sev has a level of integrity. There was no real reason to claim so fiercely that Sirius tried to get him killed for so long if Snape did it himself. No offense to the writer and I'm not a Dumbles brasher ( I call him Dumbles for crying out loud) but it sounds as if the author was trying to find a reason to explain why Dumbles didn't take the proper action and why Sirius told Sev to go there in the most positive way possible. |
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Post by GoddessofWeird on Jul 4, 2012 16:58:02 GMT -5
He could of been added the points when Harry was still asleep, or when he woke up in the hospital wing, and have Hermione, Ron, and Neville in the wing to reward them there, instead infront of the school. I felt so sad for the Slytherins.wish there was story about a Slytherim Trio, no Draco,
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Post by Silvertongue on Jul 4, 2012 16:59:19 GMT -5
Puff, it's what gay people are called aswell and after having a fair few of them in the family I just don't find it very pleasant. That's not pronounced 'Puff' though, it's spelt "Pouf" and pronounced "Poof" so it shouldn't be a problem. I have plenty of gay friends and am bi myself and nobody's ever connected the end of that word with the word "Pouf. |
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Post by Hpfan on Jul 15, 2012 21:40:46 GMT -5
I think Dumbledore did it for a couple of reasons. 1. He saw how cruel and nasty the Slytherins and the rest of the school were to Harry, Hermione and Neville when they lost 150 points. He also probably did not agree with Minerva's point taking since she only took 20 from Draco. 2. He did not like Severus' behavior towards Harry and the rest of the school who were not Slytherins. Remember from Severus's memory Dumbledore says to Severus at the beginning of 1st year, Severus only sees what he wants to see. It was his opportunity to say to Severus and Slytherins your behavior towards your fellow students will not be tolerated. Remember Slytherins at this point had won the House cup 7 years running. Some would argue mainly because of Severus' behavior towards the other houses.
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Post by emeraldink4blood on Jul 29, 2012 0:58:45 GMT -5
6. 6 years. Dumbles took the 7th. And I dont disagree with the point giving. I disagree with dangling the cup in front of the snakes - especially the firsties who's first memory of an EoY feast will be THIS fakery and the seventh yrs who thought that they had secured the cup for all 7 years whi h has too be some kind of fucking high - and then going, "fuck you! Go griffindor!!!!!"
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Post by HP on Jul 29, 2012 6:10:16 GMT -5
EmeraldInkblood. Look at who the Slytherins first years are, Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle, Parkinson's and Nott. Sons and daughter of Death Eaters and Pureblood supremists. Not you typical innocent first years. Malfoy tries to humiliate or bully anyone he runs across and does it publicly. Crabbe and Goyle follow Malfoy without using their brain and what we see of Parkinson, she is the same way. So I guess from you vigorous defense of "innocent" Syltherin first years, you support bullying.
Also it was a denunciation of their head of house's behavior towards non Slytherins that I am sure Dumbledore has heard about for years. Read the pensieve section in DH. Dumbledore tells Snape, that Snape only sees what he wants to see during Harry's First year. Also look at what Snape did at Christmas when Malfoy baited Ron in front of Hagrid. Snape did not dock Malfoy for his behavior, even when Hagrid comes to Ron's defense. Again more bullying from a guy who was bullied. You must support bullying of any kind.
Again as I said before, it was a denunciation of Syltherin's behavior over the years. No one had given Dumbledore a big enough opportunity to to tell Snape and hs Slytherin's that their behavior will be accepted. I am sure Dumbledore over the years would have addressed the behavior issue in private, but as seen in PS, no change has been made over the years. By doing this he told the rest of the school, he will not tolerate their behavior including the behavior exhibited by the school for the Norbert incident.
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Post by Ithiarel on Jul 29, 2012 7:39:04 GMT -5
He saw how cruel and nasty the Slytherins and the rest of the school were to Harry, Hermione and Neville when they lost 150 points. The Gryffindors were nasty about the loss of points. The Slytherins were quite happy about it. So, by that thinking, Dumbles should have taken further points from Gryffindor instead. *snort* So, what about the others? You make it sound as if those five are the whole of Slytherin 1st year. What about Daphne? Blaise? And those not even named in the books, because they never did anything nasty to Harry & Co??? That explanation makes Dumbledore just as "not grown up" as Snape! Punishing a whole house for the bad actions of a few members... |
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Post by Kaiserin on Jul 29, 2012 11:50:19 GMT -5
the end of the year feast tells the kids a few things an none of them are good. 1)if you do it right breaking rules will win you points 2)adults don't care about the feelings of the students who lost. (that was delibrately cruel to them and since dumbles is the adult should be better than that. it petty and mean) 3) That the point system doesn't really mean anything and why should they try to earn point in class when stuff like this happen. 4)tells hufflepuff he doesn't like them(because of dumbles points he puts them in last place.)
in other words it was cruel, petty, mean spirited and shows he doesn't care for anything than his own self interests.
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Post by Chameleon on Jul 29, 2012 15:19:52 GMT -5
As much I love Dumbledore, his action's aren't approved of me to that party. Dangling the Cup in front of the Slytherin's, and then suddenly hand it to the Gryffindor's, their arch enemies, just because they saved the world... Alright, they deserved it perhaps, but Dumbledore hadn't needed to give the points right there. He could have given them it in the hospital wing, at least a few hours before the party started. He always talks about House Unity, but then does a act, which doesn't say anything about house unity. A headmaster needs to be neutral, and in that case, Dumbledore wasn't neutral at all.
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Post by Ithiarel on Jul 29, 2012 15:44:19 GMT -5
Alright, they deserved it perhaps, but Dumbledore hadn't needed to give the points right there. This is something that has always bothered me. I don't think they deserved them at all. If they hadn't gotten involved, If Harry had not gone after the stone, If he had not been there to get the stone from the mirror - Quirrell could have taken hours to get the stone (if he would have managed at all). Quirrell had no idea how to get the stone. He might have spend hours standing in front of the mirror. And Dumbledore was only... what? 20 minutes behind Harry? He might actually have caught Quirrell (and Voldy) if Harry had not gotten involved! And Flamel could have survived, too, if the children would just have stayed in the dorm. So, they actually were the ones who nearly gave Voldemort the stone. They did something wrong. Something that might have had horrendous consequences. And Dumbledore then proceded to reward them for it... |
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 29, 2012 17:16:48 GMT -5
Er, someone mentioned Barty JR being a puff and everyone just judging Slytherin, but nobody thought he was evil. Some suspected, but they mostly thought he'd ended up mixing with a few thugs due to his father's ignorance and got into a bad situation and suffered for it. They never thought he was a bat-shit maniac, we found that out later. But Fudge had him Kissed before the public found out.
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Post by Kaiserin on Jul 29, 2012 17:24:49 GMT -5
Also just because you decide not to punish someone for what they did does not mean they should be rewarded for it. and if he knew about the dragon and wanted to give the points back, then do it by rewarding class work and the like, and not telling the whole school that they got it by breaking the rules.
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