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Post by Spaz86 on Jun 13, 2012 22:31:02 GMT -5
It seems like everyone else is getting a thread, so why not?
While I Understand that people get pissy that he leaves Harry in GoF and DH, I can also see his side of it. For best friends, two big fights in seven years is not that bad. I sure as heck know I've fought with my friends before over a LOT less. I totally get that he has an inferiority complex that was brought on by Molly trying to make them into perfect little ministry (desk) workers (1 out of 7 epic fail Molly) and that the horcruxes had massive influnce in DH. But he is still one of my fav characters, like top five. What are other peoples takes on Ron?
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 13, 2012 22:51:48 GMT -5
Ron has his faults but so does everyone else. The movies and fan-fics ruin the character for me. I'm cool with him in the books and love him in AVPM/S as Joey Richter. Rupert Grint got short-changed by the writers unlike Dan and Emma imo. Emma got a good portion of his lines, and Rupert was just along for the ride. He didn't tell Snape off for telling off Hermione in POA and was sitting away from Harry and Hermione at the end of HBP. Possible foreshadowing of DH? Possible but I like to think that that was the horcrux and the horcrux only. A lot of Fanfics I've read like to make Ron out as some clueless, idiot that only cares about eating. It's a real turnoff. AVPM/S got it right unlike the movies. Ron and Harry are brothers in this and don't get into a true fight like in GOF and DH. Joey actually has lines and is funnier and seems to me to be Ron more than Rupert is. I can most of the AVPM/S cast as the characters rather than the movie actors
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Post by rikustark on Jun 13, 2012 22:56:23 GMT -5
I love Ron. I agree, two fights in seven years....That's nothing! In fact, I should take notes. ;D Ron is one of my favorite characters, and I think we should look at the fact that he always came back to his friends. Molly AND his siblings had a big part in his inferiority complex. I don't think it helped that he was mostly overlooked as the sidekick in the group too. Hermione had the brains and Harry was the Boy Who Lived, I'd probably feel a little inferior too if I was him.
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Jun 13, 2012 23:05:30 GMT -5
I like him, but I do admit the fanfics have turned me off on him as well, not so much the movies. I feel for him in the books, the inferiority complex he has and how no one helps him with it. But the fanfic authors don't do much for his character. I see him as a strong character, he is like the heart of the group. He doesn't have much in popularity or in intelligence, but what he lacks he makes up in personality. When he isn't around his brothers or parents, or even Hermione, we get to see the real him. But I also think that he holds the group together in a way. If it weren't for him always picking a fight with Hermione, I doubt she would be there. I hope that all made sense, a lot of thoughts are going through my head right now and I'm just picking them out here and there and typing them.  |
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Post by melodypottersnape on Jun 13, 2012 23:11:57 GMT -5
I rather like ron though I got deeply pissed at him in dh and gof when he left. In gof it can be blamed on a complex ,but not really because the issue was trust. he didn't trust Harry's word.(I think its ironic that he gets mad at seamus for the same in hbp as if he hadn't done the same the year before.)
I can't really blame him in dh cause he was stressed like the other but it was a little worse for him.
1) he has been extremely coddled.
2)had on the horcrux
3)worried about his family
though they can all relate to being worried about the weasleys, but hermione at least can have some peace of mind for hers.
Though I love a good ron bashing fic I usually prefer one were he matures. Really the only characters bashing fics I truly like are Ginny, Hermione, Dumbledore, and Molly(sometimes but not as much as the others)
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 13, 2012 23:29:25 GMT -5
The only fan-fics that I've seen Ron really mature in are Flames of Betrayal by marietsy2 and Could She Be, Could He Be? by munkeymaniac. Both stories are excellent. FOB has Ron in a more prominent role but the 2nd one has a really supportive Ron
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Jun 13, 2012 23:37:35 GMT -5
The only fan-fics that I've seen Ron really mature in are Flames of Betrayal by marietsy2 and Could She Be, Could He Be? by munkeymaniac. Both stories are excellent. FOB has Ron in a more prominent role but the 2nd one has a really supportive Ron I like him and the whole Ron/Hermione pairing in three multichapter stories, one is Rennervate, the other is Weasley Family Heartbreak, and the last is Of Stars and Stones. Those are after the battle. I like a few scattered one-shots of them during the books, especially the ones after Malfoy Manor. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 13, 2012 23:54:22 GMT -5
Personally, I like Ron as a character. He's flawed, but in a way that makes him human. He's not evil or cruel, just insecure and a bit on the senseless side at times. But he has a good heart in the end, and I've come to appreciate the Ron/Hermione pairing. Overall, I don't see why people think he's evil.
Yes, he has times where his jealousy and insecurities get in the way, but so do most real people.
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Jun 14, 2012 0:01:56 GMT -5
Personally, I like Ron as a character. He's flawed, but in a way that makes him human. He's not evil or cruel, just insecure and a bit on the senseless side at times. But he has a good heart in the end, and I've come to appreciate the Ron/Hermione pairing. Overall, I don't see why people think he's evil. Yes, he has times where his jealousy and insecurities get in the way, but so do most real people. I totally agree, I don't think there is one evil bone in his body. He also has a gentleness about him, also a little ruggedness. |
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Post by Spaz86 on Jun 14, 2012 1:58:09 GMT -5
I'm glad to see people at least like cannon Ron, that makes me happy. Cause it always seems like he's getting bashed continuously in fics. Though I've never read flames of betrayal or could she be, could he be. But sounds like something I should check out though.
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Post by My-Rebel-Within on Jun 14, 2012 2:20:06 GMT -5
I am sorry. I am about to rant because I feel in there there is too much Ron bashing in the 'Read by the Characters' genre . . .
It really upsets me to see his brothers and sister pick on him. It will just add to his Inferiority complex. I know Ron has many flaws, but he becomes such a great hero. There are some stories that have his siblings being so cruel to him. There are stories that have the Twins and Ginny laughing at the cruel things that have been done to Ron. I hate that. I know the twins love him, but they can be the worst offenders. With Ginny (in book 6 mostly) and the twins always putting him down, no wonder he has an inferiority complex. If someone noticed this in Ron sooner, then maybe Ron won't have been so vulnerably to the locket in book 7. People are always so down on him for leaving, but all the haters don't seems to remember how a Horcruxes can affect the user/wearer. Many fan fiction stories have everyone being cruel and unfair to him, I mean he has an inferiority complex for a reason. It bothers me, and Ron not even my favorite character. I just do not like injustice real or fiction.
There are some fan fiction stories that have everyone laughing at Ron when we find out why he hates spiders. The twins seem to have no guilt or severe consequence for their actions and that's out of character. Everyone is like, "Oh those Twins. They like a good laugh." Then everyone snickers. It is terrible, and the event was so very traumatizing for Ron; it scared him for life. I think if the twins really knew how their actions affect Ron they would care.
The cause of all the drama in the sixth book with Ron/Hermione was caused by jealousy, misunderstandings, and all the cruel things Ginny said to Ron. Everyone is always so pissed at Ron that no one is pissed at Ginny. I mean, he has an inferiority complex, and she is ranting and raving on how pitiful he is with the ladies; then, she says Hermione and Krum snogged (I personally think what she says about Hermione and Krum is a false although Krum may have kissed her on the cheek or a quick peck on the lips if that but THEY DID NOT SNOG. She liked Ron at that point). He really like Hermione, but does not feel he is good enough for her. Hermione should be a little bit more upset at Ginny for telling Ron that lie. Ginny was not being a good "sister" and Ron actions after her hateful rant are her fault too. Please don't think I am Ginny-hater I am really really not (I love her and I am not a hater of any Harry Potter characters), but Weasley temper or not what she said was cruel. She should not be so easily forgiven and Ron not so easily hated.
My point is to all the Ron-basher out there is: Of course he snog Lavender. Would you if you had a terrible rant screamed at you about how you are so very pitiful; then, you are told the girl you really liked snogged another guy. Plus, Hermione not believing Ron played Quidditch well on his own.
In the 7 book when everyone finds out why Ron left some fan fiction writers have many of the character reading still pissed, but I think a lot of them would be more understanding. (Especially Harry and Hermione)
Molly really is one of the causes of Ron’s Inferiority complex because she is always comparing her children to each other. Percy got new robes before Ron got a new wand, WTF. If you think about it, you can see why Ron’s thinks he is least loved.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 2:24:09 GMT -5
I completely and totally agree with you, My-Rebel-Within. I really do. I'm surprised Ron turned out as well as he did, all things considering.
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Post by dracosfairmaiden on Jun 14, 2012 9:04:55 GMT -5
I actually like Ron. He seems to be the most normal of the group. I do think he has some issues.
I don't get all the Ron bashing. Look at it from his point of view. He has all these siblings. His mother favors the three oldest especially Percy. The twins tease him all the time and his sister is like the perfect princess. It's no wonder he's got an inferiority complex.
Ron turning against Harry in GOF was part of that. I think he was a bit jealous of his friend but he still came back. Same in DH-it was the Horcrux corrupting him. I know Ron can be stubborn and mean to Hermione, but he's brave enough to fight with Harry.
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 14, 2012 10:48:51 GMT -5
No. That is not just it. If I'm recalling correctly, Dumbledore himself said that it was because Ron grew up the youngest of five boys (not counting Ginny here), and they'd already "done everything". If you'll recall, in the Mirror of Erised, Ron saw himself as Quidditch Captain, Head Boy (or prefect, I've quite forgotten), etc. Bill was successfully working at Gringotts, Charlie was successfully working with dragons, Percy was prefect, Head Boy, and got a good job at the Ministry, Fred and George were well-liked and created a fantastic job for themselves, and Ginny was the girl his mum always wanted. As you can see, it was more his brothers' doing, than Molly's. Especially with the twins constantly teasing him (acrophobia, anyone?), and his two best friends being some of the most successful kids in school: the boy-who-lived and "the smarest witch of her age". Yes, I do realize that some of it is Molly's fault, but don't push it all on her, who, when you think about, did everything she could for a family of nine and still managed to be BA while doing it.  |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 10:55:47 GMT -5
But who was it who helped save the school every time? Ron, not one of his brothers. He just ignored his own achievements. Plus, for someone who wanted to be so successful, he was pretty lazy when it came to studying and homework.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 11:11:02 GMT -5
That's a good point, Kitty. My only guess is that he has trouble learning at times. Though he is smarter than what he sees, (chess, anyone).
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Jun 14, 2012 11:28:12 GMT -5
But who was it who helped save the school every time? Ron, not one of his brothers. He just ignored his own achievements. Plus, for someone who wanted to be so successful, he was pretty lazy when it came to studying and homework. He also bullied Hermione when she would do anything intelligent. I've always thought he was a little jealous of her, but never understood it since he never tried to study and she did! A question, do you think he had dyslexia and that was why he never studied? |
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 14, 2012 11:38:50 GMT -5
He does want to be successful, but in his own way. Being succussful academically has been done before, by his brothers and now his best friends, even Harry.
And yes, Kitty, he did ignore his own achievements. Inferiority complex. Not to mention Harry and/or Hermione were always right there beside him. He possibly felt that they deserved the praise and he did not. After all, in his eyes, he probably doesn't think he did much:
(PS) He was knocked out in one of the first rooms while Harry and Hermione continued on.
(CS) Hermione, even though Petrified, was able to help them figure out that the culprit was a Basilisk. He broke his wand, lost his dad's car, got a Howler, got his dad in trouble at the Ministry, and was stuck behind a wall with Lockheart while Harry went on and saved Ginny.
(PA) He broke his leg and couldn't prevent Wormtail from escaping, even while chained to him and was stuck unconscious in the Hospital Wing while Harry and Hermione went on some grand adventure.
(GF) In his eyes, Harry cheated his was into the Tournament and didn't tell him and then both Harry and Hermione ignored him (his fault, of course).
(OP) While his friends, even Neville, (not hating on Neville, just stating it through Ron's eyes) went all BA mode on the Death Eaters, he goes loopy, possibly from an Imperious Curse gone wrong, and then gets himself hurt without outside help from the Death Eaters.
(HBP) As mentioned, Ginny taunting him, Hermione's making him feel as though he can't do Quidditch properly, Hermione takes McLaggen to Sluggy's party, etc.
(DH) In this book, pretty much all his fears are realized when he puts on that locket. And then, when he finally makes it back and saves Harry, Hermione's still trying to beat him up.
So yeah. Even when he does awesome stuff, that inferiority complex of his is sitting there eating away at everything he's done, telling him, 'Look what they're doing. They're so much better than you. You could never be that cool. Etc.'
(Hey, if it seems anywhere that I'm hating on Ron, I'm not. He's totally awesome and even the character I had a crush on, growing up. I was just presenting these seven years in a quick, 'through his eyes'.)
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 11:42:16 GMT -5
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 11:42:27 GMT -5
No, that doesn't sound like you hate him, in fact, you were explaining very well why he doesn't seem to get it. Hadn't thought of it that way, but you are right!
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 14, 2012 11:45:33 GMT -5
Thanks.
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Post by Spaz86 on Jun 14, 2012 12:31:12 GMT -5
Sorry, but what does BA mean?
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 14, 2012 12:35:28 GMT -5
Bad A**. Translation = pretty freakin' awesome.
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Post by shinethedown on Jun 14, 2012 12:42:43 GMT -5
I think people are very harsh on Ron, granted his character is far from perfect, but people tend to focus on his mistakes (and he has made big one's know one is denying that) and not on the positive actions. I would just like to make some points against some of the main bashing points. Book 1- "Cruel and bullied Hermione" Well whilst Ron certainly wasn't nice to Hermione, it was far from bullying. Ron never seeked her out to be cruel to her, he was only cruel when Hermione came and in all honesty talked down to him. Granted this doesn't make Ron's actions right, but to call it bullying is a bit of a stretch. And what he said about her after charms was cruel, but Hermione wasn't meant to here what he said (granted it doesn't make Rons actions right, but not as bad as people make out). Book 3- "Arguments with Hermione over the broom and pets" Ron was wrong about the broom, I am not contesting that but people when bashing Ron about it seem to forget Harry did it as well. And as for the arguments about the scabbers. I can honestly say I think Hermione was at fault for this fight not Ron, if she had tried to stop Crookshanks or apologies about Scabbers Ron would have forgiven her. Book 4 and 7- "Rons 2 abandonments" Both are terrible judgements by Ron's character. But for the first abandonment people underestimate how it feels to be pushed aside, or treated 2nd class. Granted its not a good excuse for his actions but its something people forget. As for the 7th book, once again his actions are bad and excuses cannot really be made. But the locket seemed to have a worse affect on Ron. In this situation what I think speaks most about the character is that he came back, knowing that he could be hated or told no, but he tried anyway. Not to mention saving Harry's life is also a plus. 6th book- Ron was guilty of acting like a jealous teenager, but Harry Hermione and even Ginny are guilty of this in The Half Blood Prince. And as for his constant arguments with Hermione, well it takes 2 to argue. Is Ron a perfect character, no of course not. He's far from it, but he is one of the most human characters in the series. And the amount of bashing his character gets compared to characters like Snape is staggering. (Not a Snape hater, I'm just saying there is a lot more reasons to bash him rather than Ron or any of the Weasleys |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 12:47:11 GMT -5
Book 3- "Arguments with Hermione over the broom and pets" Ron was wrong about the broom, I am not contesting that but people when bashing Ron about it seem to forget Harry did it as well. And as for the arguments about the scabbers. I can honestly say I think Hermione was at fault for this fight not Ron, if she had tried to stop Crookshanks or apologies about Scabbers Ron would have forgiven her. Actually, in one case (Christmas?) Hermione even had to bring the cat into the boy's dormitory - despite knowing perfectly well that Crookshanks would once again attack Scabbers. Why on earth couldn't she leave the cat in her own room? She really didn't care one bit about how Ron was feeling. Imagine someone had a dog who would always attack Crookshanks - can you imagine what she'd say then? And she was talking down her nose to Ron a lot, so I blame both of them equally for these fights. |
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Post by rikustark on Jun 14, 2012 12:47:34 GMT -5
Ally, I agree with everything you have say! I really couldn't of said it better! |
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Post by shinethedown on Jun 14, 2012 12:56:36 GMT -5
Book 3- "Arguments with Hermione over the broom and pets" Ron was wrong about the broom, I am not contesting that but people when bashing Ron about it seem to forget Harry did it as well. And as for the arguments about the scabbers. I can honestly say I think Hermione was at fault for this fight not Ron, if she had tried to stop Crookshanks or apologies about Scabbers Ron would have forgiven her. Actually, in one case (Christmas?) Hermione even had to bring the cat into the boy's dormitory - despite knowing perfectly well that Crookshanks would once again attack Scabbers. Why on earth couldn't she leave the cat in her own room? She really didn't care one bit about how Ron was feeling. Imagine someone had a dog who would always attack Crookshanks - can you imagine what she'd say then? And she was talking down her nose to Ron a lot, so I blame both of them equally for these fights. Exactly, people are too quick to point the finger at Ron. It takes 2 to tango. |
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Post by melodypottersnape on Jun 14, 2012 14:29:59 GMT -5
i AGREE about Hermione's lack of consideration for Ron's pet. I dont think it should be caged but she had no right bringing into the boys dorm. Also when she kept telling him to cage the rat to protect it I kinda agree. Though she forgets her parents have more money than his. Personally I think she should have gotten a little habitat for him on Christmas.
On a side note does anyone think it is ironic that fics always have Hermione saying Ron has no tact, but in the third book Hermione was the one guilty of having none. (scene were she points out things about Lavenders dead rabbit)
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 14, 2012 15:06:49 GMT -5
YAY RON FANS! YAY!
I felt so lonely in other threads when people were bashing on Ron. Every time someone bashes Ron, I cry a little. He's my favorite character in the entire series, and still my fictional crush. Screw real guys, they're not half as adorable and funny.
I'll post more later, got to catch a bus!
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 14, 2012 15:16:36 GMT -5
Even though I've read plenty of fics with Ron-bashing, he's one of the only characters that I don't enjoy being bashed. I find his faults to be perfectly reasonable and I can never see him being the way in the bashing fics. He's just too... Ron. He wouldn't be Ron if he became a Death Eater or tried to steal Harry's Money and pretended to be his friends. He may take a while to admit it it but he usually feels bad as soon as a fight has finished, just has too much pride to say sorry and try to fix things.
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You've made a great point, Ally. 
