|
|
Post by My-Rebel-Within on Jun 14, 2012 1:57:58 GMT -5
There are very few fan fiction stories of any kind that really show anyone reacting to Neville's abusive home life . . . Yes it is abuse! Why?
His grandma loves him, but she is so verbally abusive to him. It is no wonder he has confidence or self esteem issues. He is always being told by his grandma and a few others that he is not good enough. He is living in his father shadow at home. He is always told he will never be as good as his father. It does not help that his is using his father's wand . . .
What kind of family would do that to a child?
What do you think?
|
|
|
|
Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 2:29:50 GMT -5
Agreed. I've always detested that Nevile's abuse went unnoticed too! Is it any wonder that he was a quivering mess of nerves in Potions? He was probably expecting some harsh, physical punishment. Never mind that he had absolutely NO sense of self-worth or confidence in himself, and he has to live with the fact that his parents are insane.
Augusta doesn't help either. While not a child abuser by letter, she treats Neville rather harshly.
With these things in mind, is it a wonder that Neville was the way he was? I'm just glad he stared believing in himself and becoming more confident. I love him so very much.
|
|
|
|
Post by codygotkilld on Jun 14, 2012 3:00:05 GMT -5
Let's face it, Neville has probably had the second shittiest childhood right behind Harry. It seems that all of his living relatives treated him like dragon dung even when he is the heir to a pureblood family. So what if he was a *late-bloomer* with his magic, I would to if my grandmother constantly ran me down for not living up to my dad. Augusta should have been a whole lot more caring with Nev since he was the only real family she had left. Instead, she treat him like crap until he was in danger of dying. That is an example of shitty parenting if there ever was. I truly wished he had a bigger role in the series early on instead of being there for some slapstick humor when JKR wanted to lighten a scene or chapter. It would have been even more interesting if JKR showed us some of his 7th year.
|
|
|
|
Post by rachelhitsujii on Jun 14, 2012 3:28:18 GMT -5
It would have been even more interesting if JKR showed us some of his 7th year. I agree with that. We definitely know that Neville really started to stand up for himself from the 5th book onward, and we see near the end of the 7th one that he isn't nearly as useless as he was in the earlier books. It would have been nice to see some more character development in that time frame. Not that I believe that he is useless; that is just his issues manifesting themselves. I really believe that when it comes down to it, Neville is loyal, kind and self-sacrificing. ;D |
|
|
|
Post by ShotgunWilly on Jun 14, 2012 4:06:06 GMT -5
That's why I love that scene in... oh geez, I forget the name of the fic, but I want to say that it's Nightmares of Futures Past (the S'TarKan one), where Neville sends his gran a Howler.  |
|
|
|
Post by codygotkilld on Jun 14, 2012 4:10:55 GMT -5
That's why I love that scene in... oh geez, I forget the name of the fic, but I want to say that it's Nightmares of Futures Past (the S'TarKan one), where Neville sends his gran a Howler. Ah, S'TarKan how I wished you would return to ff.net. I'm still waiting for Team 8 to be updated. |
|
|
|
Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 4:30:07 GMT -5
That's why I love that scene in... oh geez, I forget the name of the fic, but I want to say that it's Nightmares of Futures Past (the S'TarKan one), where Neville sends his gran a Howler. Ah, S'TarKan how I wished you would return to ff.net. I'm still waiting for Team 8 to be updated. Same here... |
|
|
|
Post by ShotgunWilly on Jun 14, 2012 4:32:48 GMT -5
He's around. You know how he is; he goes forever without updating. Long story short, though, I think he has a pretty shitty personal life, soo... yea www.viridiandreams.net/ |
|
|
|
Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 5:03:20 GMT -5
With these things in mind, is it a wonder that Neville was the way he was? I'm just glad he stared believing in himself and becoming more confident. I love him so very much. And we can mainly thank Harry for this, I think - his DA lessons helped Neville a good deal. What annoyed me was that his grandmum cried after the uncle had let him fall out of the window because she was so glad that he was a wizard! I'd have killed that idiot for endangering the child! If Neville had not bounced, he'd ended up dead or heavily injured, and all they think of is that he's magical? |
|
|
|
Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 5:15:00 GMT -5
Yeah!  Harry is awesome like that! Seriously though, Neville did grow thanks to the DA lessons. All he needed was a little encouragement and a chance to shine. And I know what you mean! That woman's priorities were all wrong, and I refuse to think of her as a great parental figure. Wonder what Frank and Alice would say if they were sane... |
|
|
|
Post by rachelhitsujii on Jun 14, 2012 5:16:21 GMT -5
With these things in mind, is it a wonder that Neville was the way he was? I'm just glad he stared believing in himself and becoming more confident. I love him so very much. And we can mainly thank Harry for this, I think - his DA lessons helped Neville a good deal. What annoyed me was that his grandmum cried after the uncle had let him fall out of the window because she was so glad that he was a wizard! I'd have killed that idiot for endangering the child! If Neville had not bounced, he'd ended up dead or heavily injured, and all they think of is that he's magical? And that's not even going into the fact that he bounced not just into the yard but onto a STREET. He could've been hit by a bloody vehicle for crying out loud. But his Grandmum was probably more focused on the fact that he wasn't a squib and that the family reputation was upheld.  At least Mcgonagall stands up for him in the 6th book when Neville mentions that his grandmum thinks charms is a soft subject and she says something along the line of "Well just because she never passed her Charms O.W.L...." |
|
|
|
Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 5:21:29 GMT -5
And just for the record, his "I'll join you when hell freezes over" is still one of the best lines in the whole series!
|
|
|
|
Post by rachelhitsujii on Jun 14, 2012 5:24:59 GMT -5
And just for the record, his "I'll join you when hell freezes over" is still one of the best lines in the whole series! I love that line. But I also love the fact that as Dumbledore says, not many full grown witches and wizards could survive an encounter with Voldy, but Neville does and he even gets to insult him as well  |
|
|
|
Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 5:31:01 GMT -5
You know, in the end, he was in a way proven right that he wanted to get rid of the two children of prophecy. They were the ones who destroyed him in the end. And I was always happy that Neville did it so publicly - finally they saw how great he can be with some encouragement!
|
|
|
|
Post by rachelhitsujii on Jun 14, 2012 6:00:01 GMT -5
You know, in the end, he was in a way proven right that he wanted to get rid of the two children of prophecy. They were the ones who destroyed him in the end. And I was always happy that Neville did it so publicly - finally they saw how great he can be with some encouragement! Let's just hope that his grandmum got the hint! Actually now that I think about it, I can almost see her making it worse by over-praising him to everyone afterwards, and then when he gets a job as a teacher, her saying something like "But you helped defeat Voldemort, you can get a much better job than that!" and still making him feel like shit.  |
|
|
|
Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 6:08:10 GMT -5
Hm ... I think I need Sirius to survive, teach Neville with Harry, and then tell the old vulture off for the way she treats Neville!
|
|
|
|
Post by rachelhitsujii on Jun 14, 2012 6:24:27 GMT -5
Either that or just tell Molly. I'm sure she would send a Howler that would even have Augusta quaking in her shoes and vulture hat. Not that I think that Molly is the best person to give advice about parenting. I mean just look at Ron and his inferiority complex. And I am fairly certain that the twins have one too, they just show it in a different way. Percy just wants to make his families reputation better and would sacrafice anything (even his relationship with them) for it. Bill and Charlie, since they were the oldest, seem to be alright. Finally there is Ginny, who probably never had any expectations thrust upon her, because she is the girl of the family.
*Sigh* I went very off track there didn't I. The point is SOMEBODY needs to tell Augusta off so she won't make him think ill of himself again!
|
|
|
|
Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 6:52:12 GMT -5
Fuck Molly! I like the Sirius idea a lot better! |
|
|
|
Post by rachelhitsujii on Jun 14, 2012 7:00:49 GMT -5
As the end of my rant "kinda" stated, SOMEBODY has to deal with her, no matter who it be. But yes I concur: Fuck Molly. Sirius is way more awesome (and I believe his temper can flare even higher than Molly's if he lets it too  |
|
|
|
Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 7:02:06 GMT -5
I'd like to see that temper when dealing with the old woman. And Algie. In my HU series, I'm doing a major reworking of Augusta's character. |
|
|
|
Post by rachelhitsujii on Jun 14, 2012 7:13:09 GMT -5
Thank goodness. I'm tired of hearing about that cranky abusing bitch! TAKE A STAND AGAINST NEVILLE ABUSERS!
|
|
|
|
Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 7:18:35 GMT -5
I agree!
In HU, she is going to be genuinely unaware of what took place. Also, instead of her crying about not having magic, Neville will have simply misunderstood that she was worried about him, instead. And Augusta will get a harsh reality check in concerns with Algie. Not telling you when it'll happen, but it will. *evil grin*
|
|
|
|
Post by rachelhitsujii on Jun 14, 2012 7:29:17 GMT -5
The suspense always makes things better, so I don't mind in the slightest if you decide to keep info to yourself! |
|
|
|
Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 7:32:34 GMT -5
Heehee, I will.
It's going to be eventual Harry/Neville, because I'm a huge fan of that pairing. I think they're good for each other.
Harry teaches Neville to be more confident and to trust himself, while Neville teaches Harry to be more open and honest with people.
|
|
|
|
Post by G. Novella on Jun 14, 2012 7:38:50 GMT -5
The thing about Augusta is that I pity her.
I mean, it took one night for her to lose her son and daughter-in-law and then spend the rest of her life watching them in that state of dementia. I think she cracked and became determined to recreate Frank in Neville. I think what she needed was help raising Neville from a source that wasn't family looking to benefit from the pureblood heir of the Longbottom family. That's the way I'm reworking her character in my AU Raised in the Darkness.
The real crazy is Algie who obviously pushed Neville too, and as far as we know, has no reason to be abusive.
|
|
|
|
Post by rachelhitsujii on Jun 14, 2012 7:41:14 GMT -5
As soon as I read that it would be Harry/Neville pairing I squeed like a little girl! Yay, finally someone that I am chatting with agrees with me that they would make such a good pairing ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 7:41:42 GMT -5
When you say it like that, I get your point. Poor woman. I just hated how Neville was because her harshness. But yes, I do see what you mean.  I have a theory about Algie: He blames Neville for what happened to Frank and Alice, and that is why he takes it out on him. Not out of concern for his magic or anything. He's secretly a vengeful old shit. |
|
|
|
Post by G. Novella on Jun 14, 2012 7:54:28 GMT -5
I know, I hated it too. But I can easily see how a strong woman like Augusta wouldn't have liked admitting she was cracking and that she needed someone to help her, and her own grief would destroy her. I think that's why to a certain extent, I can forgive her. Especially if her husband died as well, and it obviously wasn't a good death (by that I mean in old age in his sleep type deal) if it affected Neville too. I think she was just a victim of life and ended up needing some help and wasn't getting it from the right sources (cough Algie cough)
Algie's character is fun, sometimes I think of him as a lunatic, sometimes a vengeful old man, and sometimes as Augusta's closest brother thus having a connection to Frank that made him like Augusta, though the third one is really rare.
|
|
|
|
Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 7:59:23 GMT -5
Damn, now I pity her too, and forgive her partially. I say partially because her behavior irks me too much to let it slide.
At least she wasn't anything like Petunia and Vernon...
|
|
|
|
Post by rachelhitsujii on Jun 14, 2012 8:01:13 GMT -5
Now that I read your POV of Augusta gnovella, I feel bad about calling her a cranky bitch. I never looked at it that way before and I am glad you brought it to my attention. You have changed how I am going to work one of the stories that I started about Neville, and his life with her. Thanks for the view switch |
|
Harry is awesome like that! Seriously though, Neville did grow thanks to the DA lessons. All he needed was a little encouragement and a chance to shine. 
