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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 30, 2012 3:32:46 GMT -5
Viralic, seeing how jews and other prisoners were treated in the concentration camps, that has nothing whatsoever to do with saving people. Save you consider it acceptable to use innocents basically as labor rats and do cruelst medical experiments on them.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 30, 2012 3:46:11 GMT -5
I disagree. If one person has the information to save a dozen more, I'll take up a hacksaw myself. You may see it as immoral, but in the end, that one evil person's life isn't worth as much as 12 innocent people. Even if i believed in that arguement (which i dont) how exactly did Harry using the torture curse help especially when he could have just used a stunning spell and only used the torture curse because he enjoyed seeing that guy roll around in extreme pain and knowing he (Harry) caused that pain? |
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Post by blackt3rr0rz on Jul 30, 2012 3:59:10 GMT -5
I disagree. If one person has the information to save a dozen more, I'll take up a hacksaw myself. You may see it as immoral, but in the end, that one evil person's life isn't worth as much as 12 innocent people. Even if i believed in that arguement (which i dont) how exactly did Harry using the torture curse help especially when he could have just used a stunning spell and only used the torture curse because he enjoyed seeing that guy roll around in extreme pain and knowing he (Harry) caused that pain? what do you mean he only used it because he enjoyed seeing the guy roll around in extreme pain that doesn't make sense, you can only use it when you really want to cause them pain and from everything that guy did to the students of hogwarts and hearing him say himself that he was going to sell all of the children out to voldie i completely see harry's reasoning for using the spell. |
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 30, 2012 4:03:37 GMT -5
You're putting up two arguments. I'm not saying torture indiscriminately, I'm saying only do it in last resort. Hell, I'm not even commenting on Harry's use of the cruciatus.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 30, 2012 4:17:13 GMT -5
You're putting up two arguments. I'm not saying torture indiscriminately, I'm saying only do it in last resort. Hell, I'm not even commenting on Harry's use of the cruciatus. Well Harry using the cruciatus curse was not a last resort curse. In fact given the situation it would be a lot smarter to use a stunning spell. In fact instead of using a stunning spell Harry decided to use a unnecessary spell that would cause extreme pain. |
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Post by Chameleon on Jul 30, 2012 5:11:56 GMT -5
Alright, Harry used a Unforgivable curse. He wasn't the only 'good' person in the war, who used a Unforgivable. I think the people who put Harry upon a pedestal, got shocked when he showed that he was a human who makes mistakes and uses dark curses. But I don't consider the Unforgivable on Carrow as one of his greater mistakes.
He had already showed that he was adapt at dark magic, although he despised it. Well, about the Carrows, the emotions were high, and he got angry when she spit on Minerva and threatened the first years. If I could, I would do that too.
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 30, 2012 8:13:10 GMT -5
And as you've already said, Harry wasn't the only one on the Light side to use an Unforgivable. McGonagall did too. She used the Imperius on Amycus Carrow, to get him to hand his wand, along with his sister's to her, then allow her to tie him up.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 30, 2012 8:58:08 GMT -5
See, the thing about Harry using the Crucio is that out of all the spells, it's the one considered the worst. The entire series was about not using those spells, and then, alright, Imperius, still fine. It was shown to be used to help, and while morally ambiguous, was still understandable and the message was clear. Toe the line when the rules go to pieces. But using the crucio, after he simply spat in McGonagall's face, was a very unclear message. For me, I saw the message as torture those who disrespect your superior?
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Post by Chameleon on Jul 30, 2012 9:38:50 GMT -5
I didn't say that, what Harry did was acceptable. It was far from acceptable, and I kept thinking, when I read that, that he should have proven that he's better person rather than go to use the Cruciatus curse. But he did use it. I suppose Rowling's message was that even the best persons can fall to that, or something like that. I don't know.
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