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Post by Kitty279 on Nov 12, 2012 1:44:34 GMT -5
Glad you looked out for Azaelia and her story. Don't even have it myself, as it was deleted before I got to save it, and after finding out how often it was copied, I was reluctant to ask her for it. Don't want her to get any stupid ideas about me stealing the fic, too, after all.
As for LIttleWiseWitch, I can't find any story with that name by googling it, but you never know. She might just have forgotten to delete that part. If she is still writing it (and that's the wrong term if she's just copying other people's work) then it's either not online or under another name.
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Post by showstopper92 on Nov 12, 2012 9:34:01 GMT -5
I had two RtB stories up on the site. one of them got deleted while the other (It honestly only had three chapters to it) is still up. the one that got deleted was one of my readers favorites and it got copied. I PMed the author and told the site. the site did nothing about it and ended up taking it down with the rest of the RtB.
But CU hasn't stopped, one of the members 'A Big fan Of Most Things' sent me a review after i blocked him and told me if i didn't take down my story he would report it to the site and get it taken down. If i delete his review at all and he'd be watching if i did and report to the site. I didn't delete his review, I actually printed it and reported it to my local police. then i told the admin that i went to the police and told them i had enough, if they won't do anything about the cyberbullying then i will. this is ridiculous! they keep talking about us all being brought to the court of law for justice but J.K. Rowling is the only one that can make the claim and file the suit. and i doubt she if going to file a suit on her OWN fans because they wrote about her characters reading the books for absolutely no profit, and gave her credit for the story and the characters....... sorry for rant. *grins sheepishly*
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Post by Kitty279 on Nov 12, 2012 9:47:06 GMT -5
The FFN admins don't care one bit, they have proven that time and again. Complaints are largely ignored, I've never gotten a reaction to any of mine. They just sit back and allow the CU to do their dirty work for them. Pathetic.
Wow, you went to the police? Hadn't thought someone would do that. What did they say? Since this whole mess started, I have been wondering a lot about the legal aspect - I know that the RtB fics have to be more illegal than the normal fanfics, due to the original text being included completely, but as you said, the one who has the right to take action would be JKR or at least the site administration, not the CU. With their crusade to remove all content they don't agree with, they are on thin ice themselves, because their bullying is rather questionable, too. The review you got was harmless, from what I can tell, in comparison to some others who were more than rude and downright hurtful. Maybe you should have added some of these - though I suspect they have already gotten deleted together with the fics, removing the evidence.
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Post by eskimoRock on Nov 12, 2012 12:27:52 GMT -5
I too am interested in what the police would say. From what I've read, fanfiction as a whole skates on pretty thin ice when it comes to the law.
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Post by Kitty279 on Nov 12, 2012 13:33:22 GMT -5
Exactly. My friend thought the whole RtB crusade silly because fanfiction in itself is pretty much illegal and she said it doesn't make sense to act against parts of it in that way while leaving other parts be, and I can't disagree with her. On the other hand, most authors know about the fics and allow them, so what's the legal status quo? While I certainly don't want JKR or any other author to act against the fanfiction archives, I am still a bit curious.
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Post by eskimoRock on Nov 12, 2012 14:19:02 GMT -5
It's hard to work out what should be legal and should not be, really. Technically everything is property of the owner and some could consider that we're "stealing" the characters! Although Jo has said she likes fanfiction, I'm not sure what shed say about rtbs.
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Post by blackroses77 on Nov 12, 2012 16:02:12 GMT -5
The police probably won't do anything about cyberbullying. The only way the LU and CU would be stopped is if their forums are taken down.
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Post by fantasy on Nov 12, 2012 17:22:20 GMT -5
Glad you looked out for Azaelia and her story. Don't even have it myself, as it was deleted before I got to save it, and after finding out how often it was copied, I was reluctant to ask her for it. Don't want her to get any stupid ideas about me stealing the fic, too, after all. As for LIttleWiseWitch, I can't find any story with that name by googling it, but you never know. She might just have forgotten to delete that part. If she is still writing it (and that's the wrong term if she's just copying other people's work) then it's either not online or under another name. Nah, certain author names she is familiar with and trusts. So if you want a copy you can email her and I know that she would give you a copy. She would recognise your name. Besides, I don't think anyone will be stupid enough to steal from her again. After all, we all know she doesn't take to lightly to it. She's gone as far as to but a note on her profile about it. As her friend, of course I look out for her, but I'm not the only one. There are several other readers that have alerted her to frauds. I thought that may be the case [her forgetting to delete it] but then I wondered if she was doing a mailing list too. Unfortunately I can't ask her, and neither can Az, as we'd probably be lied too. The FFN admins don't care one bit, they have proven that time and again. Complaints are largely ignored, I've never gotten a reaction to any of mine. They just sit back and allow the CU to do their dirty work for them. Pathetic. The admins would probably listen if yu mentioned the words "legal action" or "media" or something along those lines. Aren't they the words that get most people to list? Though apparently if you send angery emails ordering for a reply they do but it is blunt and not polite, but at least it is a reply... |
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Post by MySecretSecondChance on Nov 12, 2012 20:12:50 GMT -5
The FFN admins don't care one bit, they have proven that time and again. Complaints are largely ignored, I've never gotten a reaction to any of mine. They just sit back and allow the CU to do their dirty work for them. Pathetic. yeah they might listen if you did that, but i found a way to get a response from them quite quickly I wrote a piece of computer script that sent them an email complaining of of the abuse every 2 minutes, it took them 4 hours to reply. |
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Post by fantasy on Nov 12, 2012 20:41:20 GMT -5
I guess they got the point then  So did you do it for 2 mins for the 4 hours or did you only do it for an hour? |
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Post by showstopper92 on Nov 12, 2012 21:04:29 GMT -5
When i went to the police i printed the page with "Big Fan's' review(he signed it), the page showing the date i blocked him from my account, the message that he reviewed, the article where JKR said she liked the fact that fans were writing about her stories and the page that shows the U.S. copyright laws where it says:
The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that courts have regarded as fair use: “quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author’s observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.”
when i brought it to the police i told them why i thought RtB fics wouldn't be a problem and gave him my sources. he told me that even if it was illegal the only legal action that would take place would be in a civil court not a criminal (and that they wouldn't even have any grounds to make an arrest (I know that's been spread around)), and that's only if JKR filed the suit. about 'Big Fan' they told me since the review 'wasn't threatening me in the outside world' there was little they could do about it for now. if however he make any more contact i can report again. (which he did actually in a message on this site a hour ago)
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Post by MySecretSecondChance on Nov 12, 2012 21:24:42 GMT -5
every 2 minutes till i got a reply so yeah every 2 minutes for 4 hours
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Post by fantasy on Nov 12, 2012 21:47:58 GMT -5
if however he make any more contact i can report again. (which he did actually in a message on this site a hour ago) Was it an insulting one about the police? Does that mean that he is now a member here to send you a message? |
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Post by showstopper92 on Nov 12, 2012 22:32:20 GMT -5
she told me that she will take me to court and has all the evidence of copyright infringement. her account is [redacted]. she's insulted a few members on here and 'happily' takes pride in knowing the sites that i post on...... Don't know how being a stalker is something to be proud of though. I reported her again and they told me SHE HAS NO GROUNDS I already showed the police my work and told them what it was. there is NO profit, ALL credit obviously goes to JKR. I studied criminal Justice and i basically have a criminal justice family. i looked up what was legal and what was not before i even started posting.
EDITED by ShotgunWilly: Sorry, I don't like having to edit people's posts at all, but I'm trying to keep this from descending into chaos here.
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Post by showstopper92 on Nov 12, 2012 22:54:42 GMT -5
I understand. I just don't understand why she keeps following and messaging someone that blocked her through other accounts.
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Post by fantasy on Nov 12, 2012 22:59:38 GMT -5
The same thing happened to The Stag Patronus [sp?]. They eventually get sick of it, especially when they discover that no one cares what they have to say.
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Post by showstopper92 on Nov 12, 2012 23:02:24 GMT -5
I've never made contact with her. i don't care what she has to say but i care about my readers and i don't want to lose them because someone wants to make false claims about me.
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Post by fantasy on Nov 12, 2012 23:14:52 GMT -5
I doubt that will happen. Most of them aren't stupid enough to believe something like that and wouldn't share her views if they are reading. In fact, if your story was deleted, you'd probably be inandated [sp?] with Pm's asking what happened to it and if you can repost, as happened to many other authors.
Besides, I know of a few authors who had the exact same things said to them, some of them threating to have them arrested and locked away, but they still have readers. You'll see, everythign will be fine. The worse that can happen is your story is deleted and then you have to answer heaps of messages explaining what you're going to do over and over again.
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Post by ShotgunWilly on Nov 12, 2012 23:36:44 GMT -5
every 2 minutes till i got a reply so yeah every 2 minutes for 4 hours You really shouldn't spam like that - I'm pretty sure it's illegal or dubiously legal at best, and it's a good way to piss them off. |
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So did you do it for 2 mins for the 4 hours or did you only do it for an hour?