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Post by brokenquill92 on Sept 15, 2012 4:50:36 GMT -5
Exactly how powerful is Harry he seems to have a bit more power than your average wizard but the fics that have home doing all wandless magic and the most powerful wizard in the are a bit ridiculous
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Post by teflonbilly on Sept 15, 2012 5:02:35 GMT -5
Harry seems to have a moderately good talent for DADA, but nothing in the books shows that he was a phenomenal wizard in this regard.
Sure, he was able to do a patronus at a relatively young age, but he also single mindedly focused on it for weeks. If he hadn't succeeded at casting one I'd have been surprised.
I personally don't like Super!Harry stories, they aren't in character or how the HP world is framed. Unless something else drives this power increase, Harry by himself would not reach those kind of heights.
However, I am not saying that Harry is any sort of slouch. I think he is a solidly above average wizard who is academically lazy. I'd put Ron in the same exact category. They get all but the same grades on their exams, and they both hold their own in combat through out the series.
Hermione is a mental genius, that has a real talent for working out and casting complex enchantments, but I saw nothing in the books to demonstrate that she was a genius with regards to the physical aspects of spell casting (i.e. dualing)
TB
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 15, 2012 5:34:01 GMT -5
He's probably a bit above average, and if he'd apply himself more, he'd have a bit better marks. But I could imagine that Harry's one of these who learn better practically, not by writing essays. Plus, at times he had too much else on his mind. That Ron's lazy and keeps him from working while Hermione wants him to do more, but gets jealous when he does and he probably was used to underachieve because the Durselys wouldn't have taken it well when he outperformed their baby whale probably didn't help.
Hermione is good at memorising books, at researching, but not that good at applying it practically, and she doesn't have Harry's knack to keep a cool head and act on instinct under pressure. So I'd say, academically she's better, but not necessarily practically.
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Post by dracosfairmaiden on Sept 15, 2012 8:26:54 GMT -5
I think he's a little above average academically. I always thought he did better dueling and practicing magic himself than he did while writing essays. He's also a somewhat quick thinker which helps him duel. Same with Ron only he's not as exceptional as Harry.
Hermione is the opposite. I always pictured her as someone who was better at researching and writing essays. Dueling wise, I think she's not as exceptional as Harry. Hermione is very good academically not I don't see her as being a master duelist.
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Post by unbeastly on Sept 18, 2012 15:37:07 GMT -5
I think both Ron and Harry are both magically stronger than Hermione but she has a greater repertoire and understanding of spells.
Harry's magic seems to be far more instinctual and he never fails to perform when he has to. I'd say his exam results are probably on average higher than expected because he is under pressure to do well. His spells also seem to be stronger than most.
Ron needs time more than anything. He takes longer to learn but once he has he has no problem (he has a chess mindset; his moves need to be well thought out). Not to mention the Weasley/Prewett family seems to be magically strong.
As for Hermione I think her skill comes from her depth of knowledge rather than power. For instance everyone knows that 'wingardium leviosa' will make objects float but Hermione understands why. Therefore when she casts the spell she has no doubt it will work and pulls it off first go.
Intent, belief and will seem to play a factor in many spells and that is something Harry never lacks.
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Post by physicssquid on Sept 18, 2012 15:49:19 GMT -5
I always thought that Harry had at least as much raw power as Dumbledore, if not a little bit more, otherwise how else would he be able to conjure a fully-corporeal Patronus at thirteen, when as Remus said, 'most Aurors have difficulty getting even mist'? That doesn't necessarily mean that Harry would do well in exams or classes, just that his spells would be stronger, and either affect something more or have a wider range of effect. i.e. A transfiguration spell would probably last slightly longer for him than for an average wizard/witch, or a Protego would cover his shoulders and hips instead of merely his torso, depending on what the Protego shield actually looks like.
As for Ron and Hermione, I thought that they had an average amount of raw power, and Hermione's knowledge would help her, while Ron's strategic mind would be useful too.
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Sept 18, 2012 19:12:57 GMT -5
yeah, the Super!Harry is kind of ridiculous, but some are good in the way that they make him powerful. The ones that have him becoming powerful because his magic was locked (or something like that) and it has unlocked itself in someway, make it a little bit more reasonable. Especially if the writer made Dumbledore as the one who locked or suppress (that's the word I was looking for) Harry's magic. I could see Dumbledore, one of the greatest wizards, figuring out a way to suppress Harry's magic so he could have all the control, but in reality Harry is really powerful. I wouldn't be surprised if that actually happened in the book and Harry became powerful in the end. I don't like it when they make him a lord of a house(s) that is going a little far, especially if it is all four houses. Or if they shoot him up the pyramid and straight to Minister of Magic because of him being powerful. I like him being magically powerful, but be realistic. Just because he might be powerful that doesn't mean he should get everything.  |
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 18, 2012 23:52:16 GMT -5
Yeah, his magic having been locked and now being unlocked at least gives you an explanation when he suddenly becomes ridiculously powerful. Personally, I prefer it when it doesn't get overboard. No doubt Harry is powerful, but let's keep it realistic.
In the beginning, the whole Lord stuff was rather irritating, but after enough stories, I gave up my resistance against that idea. Though I prefer it when he's just Lord Potter. These stories where he's ending up being Lord Potter-Gryffindor-Slytherin-Ravenclaw-Hufflepuff-Peverell-and some others are just overkill, and IMO just a vehicle to give him many wives. But I'm not exactly a harem fan.
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Sept 19, 2012 2:32:24 GMT -5
I like it when he become Lord of the Potter family, Gryffindor or even the Black family. The rest doesn't make sense. I really like Titanrules trilogy, she makes Hermione, Harry, Draco and Ginny pretty powerful, but not in a overpowering way. It is very subtle. though Hermione is more powerful than Harry and I can see that happening because she is a powerful witch. If I didn't know better I would have thought Harry and Hermione were really siblings.
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Post by unbeastly on Sept 19, 2012 4:28:31 GMT -5
I like how it's done in Harry Potter and Godric's Legacy where it's a combination of a powerful wand and magical knowledge downloaded into his mind.
I find it more believable when it is the result of special training or extra knowledge rather than simply being more powerful. Afterall I think Voldemort's and Dumbledore's overall power has as much to do with their magical understanding than just raw power.
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Post by Kitty279 on Sept 19, 2012 4:59:57 GMT -5
Oh, definitely. What use is power when you don't even know how to use it?
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Sept 19, 2012 10:50:38 GMT -5
Yeah, knowledge is the main thing. I like that one RtB Under a Watchful Eye (I believe that is what it was. It had a doctor and policeman in it who were Harry's muggle friends because he had to go to the hospital because of abuse) because the writer gave him a lot of knowledge that he supposedly held back because of Hermione.
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Post by unbeastly on Sept 19, 2012 10:57:35 GMT -5
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Post by brokenquill92 on Sept 19, 2012 11:18:54 GMT -5
I think I figured out how everyone's magic works
Harry: emotion based defensive
Ginny: emotion based offensive
Hermione : logic based offensive
Ron: logic based defensive
Dumbledore: logic based defensive
Tom Riddle: logic based offensive
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Sept 19, 2012 15:04:57 GMT -5
I think I figured out how everyone's magic works Harry: emotion based defensive Ginny: emotion based offensive Hermione : logic based offensive Ron: logic based defensive Dumbledore: logic based defensive Tom Riddle: logic based offensive Harry, Ginny, Hermione and Ron sound right, but I think Dumbledore and Tom are both logic and emotion based. I know it sounds like it can't happen but it does, or I think it does. You see Dumbledore was logical, but also emotional because of ariana. Tom was the same because he was logical, but also emotional because of how he was treated. I think they were going off of both Logic and Emotion and I think that was their down fall because you really can't have both. I think that it made them crazy because they had the logical and emotional aspects, but didn't know how to use them or what to do with them. I hope that made sense, if it didn't I'll try to explain again. |
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Post by brokenquill92 on Sept 19, 2012 15:20:28 GMT -5
I think I figured out how everyone's magic works Harry: emotion based defensive Ginny: emotion based offensive Hermione : logic based offensive Ron: logic based defensive Dumbledore: logic based defensive Tom Riddle: logic based offensive Harry, Ginny, Hermione and Ron sound right, but I think Dumbledore and Tom are both logic and emotion based. I know it sounds like it can't happen but it does, or I think it does. You see Dumbledore was logical, but also emotional because of ariana. Tom was the same because he was logical, but also emotional because of how he was treated. I think they were going off of both Logic and Emotion and I think that was their down fall because you really can't have both. I think that it made them crazy because they had the logical and emotional aspects, but didn't know how to use them or what to do with them. I hope that made sense, if it didn't I'll try to explain again. Yeah I see where you're coming from |
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