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Post by melodypottersnape on Dec 21, 2012 6:33:11 GMT -5
Is it odd to hate a character but to sometimes like them in fanfiction stories? Is it odd to love character(most of the time) but to grow to dislike them usually?
Ginny
In the books I disliked her to be honest. First she was a fangirl then she changed without us really seeing much of even though she ended up with the main character.
In fanfiction I loved the Ginny baashing stories and at first hated any story that paired Ginny with Harry. Then I eventually changed to how I am now. I hate cannon Harry paired with her so I hate them together in RTB and I don't really read many canon stories. I don't know why I feel like this I just do. Really the only ones I like are one where Harry is resorceful, intelligent, betrayed, or powerful. MAinly because Ginny is always supportive him usually. It just seems to me that some people write Ginny as the smart one and Harry the brawn and it rubs me thewrong way.
Hermione
I love Hermione usually in the books. After I reread them I started disliking how controlling she was sometimes. In fanfics I like her having a sister role and I could handle her to be smarter. It's when she was paire with him that Istarted dislikeing her so to speak. In somw fics it was as if people maginified her controlling nature.
Example
PoliticalIntelligentHarry decides to make a decision for one of his family businessess without telling Hermione and when she finds out she says he doesn't trust her of something along those lines. But at the same time she could be putting a plan in motion that directly effects him and she says nothing because he is less intelligent. When he finds out he is amazed and not hurt.
I have read things like this and it innoys me because sometimes she is the one that essentially defeats Voldy but Harry is just the one that carries it out. I also hate how some people write her to hit HArry repeatedly on the back of the head for the slighted difference of opinion. I mean it could be about colors and they would have her hit him and right after he changes his mind. It's disrespectful to me. It's like saying that she can't be inlove with a person instead she must have a minion. Don't get me wrong I laugh at a good reasonably headslap everyonce in a while just not fifty times a minute.(She is NOT Gibbs lol)
Sorry rant over
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Post by Kitty279 on Dec 21, 2012 7:10:53 GMT -5
That's not so surprising, IMO. Canon is one thing and fanfiction another, and some fanfiction authors enhance virtues or faults of characters to a considerable extent. Reading that will change your feelings, either for the fanfiction version alone or for canon version as well. And it's probably not helping when you discuss things and begin to see people in a different light.
Never been much of a Ginny fan, myself, either. In canon she was, as you said, the annoying BWL fangirl that out of the blue got his girlfriend and married him, despite him hating his fame and all the fangirls. And while I have read some Harry-Ginny-stories, they seldom made her any more interesting to me. For some reason, she bores me.
As for Hermione ... at first, I liked her, but there were incidents I didn't agree with, and sixth book turned me quite off. And the way some fanfictions show her make her even more annoying. As you said, it's just annoying how some people make Hermione a saint genius who knows everything while Harry's an idiot who can barely decide what he's going to eat. The way some have Hermione decide absolutely everything, while he happily turns with every tiny little thing to her and allows her to make the decisions is just too much. Another trait I can't stand is her insistence that she has the right to know absolutely everything about him and his private life, while he has to accept that she knows best and doesn't bother to tell him anything.
That hitting particularly in RtB fics is another pet peeve of mine. Usually they have just read about how he grew up. Hermione, of all people, should know that you don't hit an abused child. But no, she keeps hitting him for every tiny little thing, and no one seems to think that's wrong. I am still waiting for an author to have Harry just get up and sit away from her after her hitting him again for nothing. Besides, she's doing it for him supposedly being rude, but how rude is it to hit him?? But I guess there is not much of a chance to read that, seeing how many RtB fics were deleted and given up or are abandoned anyway ...
So, I completely understand how you feel, and that canon and fanon people are sometimes very different people. (Look at all the fics depicting the ferret and the greasy git as nice, considerate people - way too different from canon to be acceptable for me!)
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Post by Miss Wings on Dec 21, 2012 9:50:08 GMT -5
I've always despised Ginny and Ron, Hermione gets on my nerves a lot of the time.
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Post by Kitty279 on Dec 21, 2012 9:55:59 GMT -5
Did you despise Ron in canon, too? Just wondering - how did it feel to read the books, and probably repeatedly, when you can't stand most of the main characters?
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Post by Miss Wings on Dec 21, 2012 10:31:29 GMT -5
I read them perfectly fine. I just found it odd the way that things were planned out- manipulative like.
The Weasleys shouting the station number, Ron randomly finding Harry and saying that all the compartments were full- I doubt it. Theres far to many things to go on.
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Post by physicssquid on Dec 21, 2012 10:55:36 GMT -5
Some of those things could have an innocent explanation and not be the result of manipulation.
With Mrs Weasley asking about the platform number, how do we know that that wasn't the result of the twins, Bill or Charlie getting it wrong?
With Ron on the train, we know he is lazy, and maybe didn't bother to look in more than one of two compartments, which were full.
Some of the other things in the books may be the result of manipulations, but there is always the possibility that the explanation is an innocent one.
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Post by Kitty279 on Dec 21, 2012 11:23:04 GMT -5
You can indeed read it either way, depending on how you want to see the whole thing. Though Molly, for all her thinking she knows what's best for everyone, is pretty stupid in that instance, too - talking loudly about Muggles in the middle of King's Cross? And prompting her children to say the strange platform number out loud, too? To me it's as idiotic as calling Sirius with his name in OotP. She, of all people, should know about the Statue of Secrecy, after all. Is it not enough when they are walking around with an owl in a cage, which is pretty unusual? (And why does no one just send the owls ahead to Hogwarts on their own? Why draw attention in the first place, seeing they aren't normal pets?)
Ron wouldn't only not bother to search too long, it would appeal to him to sit with the BWL, I'd say. Maybe even become his friend.
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Post by Miss Wings on Dec 21, 2012 11:48:01 GMT -5
I think it's just me. I'm usually like that with books and 9/10 times I'm normally correct.
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Post by Nahara46 on Dec 22, 2012 17:37:25 GMT -5
For me, I've always likes Hermione, as I see her to be a lot like me- controlling part included. (I have a problem with always wanting to be in control and in charge... Working on it!) She's book smart, an annoying know-it-all, with social issues. And the hair problems. (Though my hair is just horrible greasy- not curly. I hate it.) So, I just was able to relate to her a lot.
The characters I hardly ever liked until I read FanFiction was Ron. I quite likes him until the fourth book, then I found myself wishing Harry and Hermione would ditch him and greet Neville into the golden trio. In fanfiction though, I found one Harry/Ron fluff, and I fell in love with how they portrayed Ron! Now I have a soft spot in my heart for the loveable idiot.
I just want to address what everyone always harps in in the first book- Molly asking what the platform number was... I'm guessing she was just humoring Ginny. That's all it ever was to me- no diabolical plot to steal Harry's fame, just a mother placating her daughter. Along with this- I'm also fairly certain Ron was lying about the other compartments being full- but could you blame him? In a new place, I would find the first seemingly nice bloke and proceed to attach myself to them in hopes of obtaining a friend- who cares if I have to say a little lie to do so?
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Post by jaffaninja on Dec 22, 2012 21:56:25 GMT -5
I agree with you there. I've always been able to relate to Hermione, too. She's not perfect - none of the characters are, and that's what makes them believable, really. Generally, I avoid stories that bash characters because all of them have faults and magnifying the faults of some characters but not others annoys me for some reason. That said, there are good fics out there that, for instance, make Dumbledore manipulative. It's when they start portraying him as a lemon-drop addicted bumbling idiot just messing with everyone for the sake of it that I get frustrated.
About Molly and the platform number, well, JK has said there are other platforms. Perhaps Molly was humouring Ginny, or perhaps Fred and George had played a joke and tried to convince her or Ron at some point that the Hogwarts express was leaving from another platform. Ron might have been lying about the other compartments, but seriously, who wants to check the whole train? Perhaps he just checked that carriage and the compartments were all full there. Also, in the third book the trio had to search up and down the train for an empty compartment and the only one they found had Lupin in it. So they might actually all have been full.
I never particularly disliked any characters (except Umbridge, but everyone hated her) but there were some I liked more than others. I wish JK had given Ginny more of a personality, because seriously, for the first three books she was just Ron's littler sister. It was a bit out of the blue for Harry to start liking her, but I suppose romance was never quite the point of the books.
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