Ginny

[brokenquill92]

Why is there so much evil! Ginny Fanfiction ?

[ayrine]

I think Evil!Ginny started because of some negative fans' reactions to the 6th book and the way JKR wrote Ginny and her relationship with Harry.
You have first some shippers who don't like Harry/Ginny pairing (because that pairing was introduced later in the books and each fan had already their own favorite couple), so one popular way of breaking them up in fanfictions would be by making it all Ginny's fault and by making her evil and then Harry could be comforted by any other character the author favor as Harry's lover.
Secondly, other fans just don't like Ginny because she was wrote in a Mary Sue-ish way (she seriously was rude and tactless and everybody just applauded her) so they just liked to bash her (getting their frustration out .
Thirdly, I think some authors wanted to explore a darker Ginny just for the fun of creativity.

[eskimoRock]

I never actually understood why so many people hated Ginny? I mean, so many people talk about how there aren't enough strong female characters in books, and then when a character like Ginny comes along, and she's a pretty feisty, strong person, people trash her and call her a bitch.

[ayrine]

I don't think the problem was about her being strong or feisty or pretty. She has the right to speak her opinion and if she want to be rude, it's her choice.
But the fact is not a single person in the book says "Ginny you are going too far" or "Ginny I think you are wrong" and that can be irritating, seeing a character getting off the hook with things that no other could if he was in the same situation!
Harry, Ron, Hermione and others get chastised from time to time when they are wrong or do something bad or stupid. From what I read in some forums, the fact that Ginny wasn't, make them hate her. That's why "Mary Sues" are so unpopular! because she doesn't have faults or her faults aren't acknowledged in the book making her "too perfect" and thus people can't relate to her.
As for trashing and bashing, I am strongly against it by principle, so yeah people can be mean when voicing their own frustration.

[RandomPasserby]

My problems with Ginny were mostly that she pretty much suddenly showed up as a potential love interest in Book 6. Wham, bam, thank you Ma'am. She's amazing at the things Harry is with little/no previous on-screen lead up. We don't see Harry missing her hugely and then suddenly they're together forever with three kids.

Um...yeah.

And yes, I know she turned up in Book 2 but we never see her being a proactive character. Even what she does off screen isn't her, it's Riddle-influenced-Ginny. She's being manipulated, she's unconscious and then she's apparently totally fine. Even in Book 5, her Quiddich talent is entirely off-screen and she breaks her ankle during the DoM.

That's not to say I hate Ginny as a character, and if the author fleshes her out enough then I'm fine with her as a side or main character. But I generally find that Harry/Ginny stories tend to adhere more to canononical plotlines than I prefer for reasons that have nothing to do with the pairing.


As for why the evil Ginny. That happens to just about every female character who isn't a fan favourite who ends up with the main character. And I dislike it.

Here's a wonderful essay on the phenomenon

But I totally agree with ayrine, Ginny (and Hermione) get away with things without being called out on it. Hermione less so, but she also has more screen time.

so many people talk about how there aren't enough strong female characters in books, and then when a character like Ginny comes along, and she's a pretty feisty, strong person, people trash her and call her a bitch.

I'm not awfully fond of this concept of 'strong female characters' because too often that ends up with 'strong female (character)' where it should be 'strong character (female)'. I'm also not fond of 'Mary Sue' because I feel like that is used too often in a misogynistic sense.

Strong characters have their actions shown on screen. We see Hermione exhibit strength, presence of mind, resilience over the series. We do not have the same of Ginny.

Strong characters are consistently strong. 'Strong female (characters)' tend to have one or two moments in the spotlight on screen (to establish them as 'strong') and then that's about it.

Strong characters have faults.

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Mostly my problem is that they start the relationship (and end it, since we never see them getting back together) a 16 year old boy and a 15 year old girl. Yes, some teenage relationships do last but most of them don't. Especially when there's a protracted separation like Book 7 and then Harry going straight from there to being an Auror while I assume Ginny went back to Hogwarts. I've seen couples fall apart when they went to different universities even with modern communication or when one moved from secondary school to college or college to university. Because they both have different social circles; Harry has work colleagues, Ginny has school friends. 

That and this line

"I knew you wouldn't be happy unless you were hunting Voldemort. Maybe that's why I like you so much."

[melodypottersnape]

Some of it is also that people kind of get tired of Voldemort and DE being the only antagonists. Like I've essentially bashed Minerva, Hagrid, Figg, Crouch Sr., and Molly in my newest fic. I wanted something done about that insane detention in the Forbidden Forest so I wrote an alternate outcome where Harry got hurt. Therefore Minerva and Hagrid would have to pay for endangering a child and other things. I also firmly believe Harry was abused so I had the Dursleys and Dumbledore getting in trouble for that. then since I was already making Dumbledore bad I decided to heighten his evilness by having him do other crimes. Then I've always disliked how it seemed that Molly favored Ginny and Percy so I made her bad to explain it. So I'm essentially bashing characters.

Of course in it Ginny would be an innocent victim though I wouldn't have Harry paired with her for the fact that I don't care for the pairing.

What put me off of her was that their relationship kind of popped up out of nowhere for me. I mean first she was a common fangirl that Harry would have more day to day interaction with than other ones. Then you see her popping up comments throughout the books, but even with that they never really had a discussion with eachother until the fifth book. Then their only real conversation was when she was in my opinion acting like a bitch with the fact that 'only she knew what it was like to be possessed'. I'm sorry but to me Harry was right when he said that the others had pulled away from him. Instead of immediately assuring Harry about the overheard conversation they kinda backed away.

Not to mention that she acts like every possession would be the same. I mean she was possessed with an entire soul that came from an object. Harry had a connection and there is no telling if the possession would be exactly the same. Not to mention I thought it was unfair of her to act like it was Harry's fault that he didn't know that he wasn't being possessed. I mean he just overheard a someone pretty much say it and he has the memories of the attack. He felt the blood and satisfaction from it. That would be alarming for anyone.

That is really their only real discussion till that point. Then there is the sixth book were again they hardly talk and suddenly he feels a 'monster'. I'm sorry but that didn't really fit in my opinion. There was no point were he was like 'I like talking to her we have a lot we can talk about'. There was no real though process of him noticing her attractiveness until after he felt the monster. Really it came off like she was the only girl he knew that wasn't Hermione so he decided he must like her. Not to mention I wanted to slap her for her comment after he broke up with her.

She said that he wouldn't be happy unless he was fighting Voldemort and that was why she like him. To me that was turning his feeling of duty, honor, and other things into a feeling of bloodlust. Like he fought Voldemort cause he like the fights not because he wanted to stop him. Then she said that was why she liked him. That was like saying that she liked him because he was a hero not because of who he was as a person.

So that is why I don't like Ginny. I mean I can like her in some fics if they really expand on her but I don't like how she was originally written.

[Kitty279]

While I can read a well-written Harry/Ginny story, most tend to bore me. Not exactly sure why, maybe it's because in most stories she seemed a bit two-dimensional to me.

My main problem with her was that she started out as an obsessed Boy Who Lived fangirl that acted completely awkward and starstruck in his presence, something Harry dislikes intensely. Then he saves her, making it worse, as he's now even more the knight in shining armour who saved the damsel in distress. After that, we have some time at the Burrow or Grimmauld Place spent together, but still without much interaction, save that one time when she tore into him about being possessed. Then we have sixth year - Harry's not interested for a while, then suddenly he feels this 'monster'? Seeing that Amortentia was mentioned in that book, it's not too surprising that stories with Potion Princess Ginny are rather common. In the end, these … questionable … remarks before the Horcrux hunt, and then *boom* they are married and have kids? That relationship was never properly explained for my taste.

Melody, you said what I always felt about the possession problem. In my eyes Harry had every right to be upset and it annyoed me how everyone treated him like a moody teenager who had no reason to be upset. But then, that's typical for the whole series, put the poor kid through one trauma after another, but avoid everything that could help him cope and do everything to make it worse. There the adults are to blame a lot, too, and first of all Dumbledore with his blasé attitude to what he put him through.
That was one part where I disagreed with most RtB fics who tended to tell Harry that he was being silly, instead of to take his problems seriously. But obviously, a hero isn't allowed to be upset or depressed. And Ginny isn't an expert about being possessed, either - we don't get one single word about her being taken care of beyond simple bodily care by Poppy after the Chamber, so how much did she even understand? Full possession isn't the same as a mental link! The adults should have gotten off their butts and talked to Harry, instead of leaving the problem to the youngest in the house.

Random Passersby, just for the record, I am not a fan of that need to put strong female characters in, either. They can be good as their own person, but in most cases, they are just put in to have a strong female at all - and it shows. (Look at the LotR and Hobbit movies!)

[eskimoRock]

You wold have thought Sirius might have gone upstairs to check harry was okay, but apparently not... they decided to wait until hermione got there.

[RandomPasserby]

Nov 5, 2013 15:37:41 GMT -5 Kitty279 said:

And Ginny isn't an expert about being possessed, either - we don't get one single word about her being taken care of beyond simple bodily care by Poppy after the Chamber, so how much did she even understand? Full possession isn't the same as a mental link! The adults should have gotten off their butts and talked to Harry, instead of leaving the problem to the youngest in the house.

Random Passersby, just for the record, I am not a fan of that need to put strong female characters in, either. They can be good as their own person, but in most cases, they are just put in to have a strong female at all - and it shows. (Look at the LotR and Hobbit movies!)

My problem with Ginny talking about her possession is that Ginny is taking her situation as default. Something I learnt while dealing with CFS and educating other people about CFS (which can cause difficulty turning short term memory into long term memory, resulting in amnesia) is that what happened to you, no matter whether it was the letter of the definition of the illness is not what the illness is like for everyone. You don't get to draw a line in the sand and say 'this is what X is like' just because you didn't experience it, any more than somebody who doesn't have it can say 'well you don't have X disease, you look too healthy'. 

You can say 'in my experience' or 'this is what happened to me', but the plural of anecdote is not data.

I didn't say I don't think there should be female characters who are the equal of male characters, just that I think they should be developed the same way male characters are. Admittedly, this has something to do with the general cultural misogyny (can you imagine the amount of hate a female Sherlock Holmes would get, simply for acting the way Sherlock is generally portrayed and the heinous crime of being a woman while doing so?) which allows female characters, and women in general, to be held to ridiculous standards and then hated for not managing to do them perfectly.

As a child I had issues with Arwen replacing Glorfindel, as an adult I can appreciate her appearing in every film. There was only so much PJ could do with what he was given. I find myself being one of the few people defending Tauriel - yes she's a gender-flipped Captain of the Guard, yes her role is expanded - Azog is dead, PJ rejigged timelines which mucked up Aragorn's age, Legolas doesn't even appear. There are other changes which are on par or more substantial than Tauriel.

And as much as I love LOTR (and I do), the books were written by a middle to upper class white guy who was born in the 1800's. They are misogynistic. The fact that Aragorn is on board with regaining Gondor and Arnor is because Elrond told him he had to do that before he could marry Arwen. No mention of what she thought about that, whether she was OK with Daddy sending The Boyfriend off on an impossible quest (and now I'm picturing a universe where Arwen is like 'nope, not OK with that, sorry dad. You want to set unreasonable expectations for marrying me, that's fine. But I'm going with him and I'm going to make sure he fills them because I want to marry him and that's nothing to do with you').

Eowyn gets her moments of awesome and I will always love her for that - but if I ever read LOTR to my children, the scene in the Houses of Healing is getting redacted because it reads too much like Eowyn realising that wanting to fight for her home and family is childish and she should grow up and marry somebody (because...idk...boobies?). Instead Eowyn will continue having adventures and fighting bad guys (and bad girls) because she is awesome and she deserves that.

The Hobbit - I have no issue with Tauriel, because little girls (and big girls) should be able to watch the movie and have somebody to see themselves in, and if we actually get onscreen Galadriel throwing down the walls of Dol Guldur then I will be standing on my seat and cheering until I get hauled out of the cinema. Because even if it's only two female characters appearing in The Hobbit, well that's two more than appear positively in the book. And I am all for that. Because seriously, I cannot think of any other female characters apart from Lobelia Sackville-Baggins (who is not portrayed positively at all) who appear in The Hobbit.

I think where we are now is a stepping stone. Or it should be. I think that the best way to end up with better female characters is to have more female characters, with different types of strength and different levels of strength. Because once we have better representation then we can explore how women can be different from eachother. How a woman who kicks ass and takes names can actually be less strong that the ultra-feminine stay at home mother when push comes to shove. If the Strong Female Character is necessary step to actual female characters who are strong then I will endure it gladly.

[eskimoRock]

Wow. I think you may have just said everything I was thinking about female characters.

[melodypottersnape]

Nov 5, 2013 16:27:18 GMT -5 eskimoRock said:

You wold have thought Sirius might have gone upstairs to check harry was okay, but apparently not... they decided to wait until hermione got there.

That always irritated me to. I mean I love Sirius and Molly's treatment of him really rankles me, but I found it disappointing that he really didn't take an active role there.

As for women characters being put on a higher pedestal. That might very well be right though I don't know if I do it.

Molly- love her mothering nature, but hate her favoritism and hypocrisy.

Ginny- I don't really care for her because she was made Harry's love interest and her character wasn't really gone into and any interaction Harry had with her my opinion wasn't really positive.

Hermione- I love Hermione and her intelligence and morals. Though her bossiness and hypocrisy again does annoy me.

Luna- I love Luna.

Ron- love his sarcasm and I just like him. I don't care for his quick temper and jealousy.

Harry- I love Harry's character but I don't like his lack of trying to make himself stronger.

I mean I think I like and dislike characters based on how they were written. I really think it is always the main protagonist that I dislike less than perfection from.

[ayrine]

To be fair to Sirius, he first needed to sober up and get out of his petty party to realize that Harry wasn't feeling well and needed him. This story is so scr**ed up.

As for Ginny, I think being only 14 and never really receiving any aftermath therapy following the 2nd book, made her sin by ignorance and led her to believe that all possessions where the same. I don't really care if she was wrong on it, at least she snapped Harry from his panic and stopped him from running away.

I am not really surprised that nobody tried to speak to Harry. If you read the books, you realize that everything is swept under the rug.

1st Book:
Harry: "I met Voldemort and he tried to kill me".
Dumbledore: "Try those candies, they are tasty!".

2nd book:
Harry: "I met a 16 years old Voldemort and he tried to kill me and a giant snake ate my arm".
Ginny: "I was possessed by Voldemort for 9 month, he made me do things I don't remember then he tried to kill me!".
Dumbledore : "Let get the party started!".

3rd book:
Harry: "I heard my parents being murdered in my head and I fell from my broom while attacked by soul sucking monsters".
Lupin : "Try this chocolate, it's pure goodness! humm!".

I am starting to think that they all spike their food with cheerful potion or happiness spell whenever they feel depressed or face a trauma. No different than drowning your problems in alcohol or drugs, and when it will resurface, it will explode in their face, and they will all be like "why is he acting like that?".

Stupid magic.

[Kitty279]

Random Passersby: Nice analysis. Personally, I don't have a problem with real female heroes, some of my favourite literary characters are female. What annoys me is more when I get the feeling the woman was more or less tacked on as the statutory woman - these charactere don't feel true to me.

As for Tauriel, I wasn't too trilled about her inclusion, but I am going to reserve judgment over her until I have seen what exactly they have done with her. The bits in trailers and other sneak peaks aren't enough to judge fairly.
Arwen … yeah, sometimes I wondered why she didn't put her foot down. There you can see that Tolkien lived in a time when women were supposed to be good little wives and do what their husbands and fathers tell them. On the one hand, I am the first to say that they needed to find a way to include Arwen more. In the book, when she turned up for the wedding, I was going 'Arwen who??' - she was mentioned in passing, then ignored and then suddenly turned up to marry the hero, only to their story being told in the appendices. With the movie, they had to change that. Besides, there were already too many characters for the average moviegoer to keep track of. They had to cut down on these secondary characters a bit. (I suspect that was why Éomer came to the rescue at Helms Deep, too, instead of Erkenbrand, and why Imrahil and the Rangers of the North and the twins were cut out). No, what made me grumpy was not so much Arwen coming in the first place, but that Glorfindel was left out. Which in turn has to do with a few too many fanfics and me liking him quite a bit.

Oh, in the books, Dol Guldur fell in 3019 during the last assaults outside of Mordor and was destroyed by Galadriel at the end of the Ring War. Though I could see Peter changing that, it would fit the subplot with the White Council and all.

Eskimo and Ayrine: Now I wonder if Sirius even knew why exactly Harry was so depressed? Only the kids know they listened in on the Expendable Ears and caught that part. Sirius wasn't at the Hospital with them, and I am not sure if the Weasley adults even noticed anything. Molly wasn't the most perceptive in that regard, after all. But I agree, I had expected Sirius to step in to help, sbased on how he acted in GoF.

Nice summary of how traumatic experiences were treated, btw

[ayrine]

But also not knowing the real reason Harry was "so depressed" should have pushed him to try to know why he was "so depressed", no?
Molly had enough on her plate. She was busy with her nearly-killed-husband and they didn't find the cure to Nagini venom immediately. It was Sirius chance to step up and act as a parent, but the alcohol vapors and his petty party kept him from it and he spent half of the holidays drunk with a giant bird as company.

I didn't like Sirius in the 5th, but again, it was inevitable, in the 4th book Sirius concentrated on Harry and protecting Harry to forget his problems.
In the 5th, he couldn't protect Harry anymore without risking getting caught/killed and thus hurting Harry who got so attached to him and with that house as a constant reminder of his mistakes/lost lives, he drowned his problems in alcohol.

[Kitty279]

By the time it was perfectly clear that JKR wanted to destroy Sirius and remove him from the picture, as she did with every single adult Harry was remotely close to and who could have been useful to him for the impossible mission the MOB saddled him with. So I am going to blame her

[ayrine]

Nov 7, 2013 1:05:46 GMT -5 Kitty279 said:

By the time it was perfectly clear that JKR wanted to destroy Sirius and remove him from the picture, as she did with every single adult Harry was remotely close to and who could have been useful to him for the impossible mission the MOB saddled him with. So I am going to blame her

Perfectly legit, I blame JKR for Dumbledore actions and every subplot that has so much hole in them that it turned her protagonists into antagonists and gave me headaches trying to understand the mess.

[RandomPasserby]

Nov 5, 2013 16:27:18 GMT -5 eskimoRock said:

You wold have thought Sirius might have gone upstairs to check harry was okay, but apparently not... they decided to wait until hermione got there.

The thing is, that would have made an amazing bonding moment between Harry and Sirius. Sirius was a member of the Order during the first war, I'm sure he lost friends (and the reason I'm excluding James is that they were more like brothers and also because he didn't exactly have a normal grieving process during that point), he knows what it's like to grieve, knows what it's like to be telling the truth and have no one believe you, knows what it's like to be stuck in an abusive household year after year with no end in sight apart from hitting 17 (I firmly believe something bad must have happened the summer he ran away).

It would also be a character development moment for Sirius. Realising that as much as Harry looks like James, he's a teenager and Sirius is now an adult - that he doesn't get to relive his adventures through Harry and that Harry needs an adult looking out for Harry and only Harry. Not Harry and cunning plans. Not Harry and the rest of Gryffindor house. Not grudgingly Harry because of guilt and because Dumbledore said so (and even then, only in life or death situations). Not Harry, Hermione, Ron, Ginny, Fred and George. Just Harry.

And it's not like they've had all that many bonding moments. Harry agreed to go live with Sirius for the sole reason that Sirius wasn't the Dursleys (and was another link to his parents). He spends the last bit of PoA viewing Sirius as the key to getting away from the Dursleys (can you imagine if Pettigrew had actually been caught in PoA, Harry wants to live with Sirius, Sirius wants Harry to live with him. Dumbledore then has to try and convince Harry to go back to the Dursleys. That would be hilarious to watch), Sirius leaves and they spend the next year communicating by letter.

[ayrine]

While it would have been amazing, for me, it would have been not real.
I mean, Sirius was under the demontors influence for 12 years; he was able to keep some of his sanity because he was an animagus; but living 12 years with only your worst memories and your most painful moments or obsessing about killing the man responsible of your demise, all that have to leave a really deep scares in Sirius mind but also heart.
It stopped his emotional and personality developments; I can't imagine how painful, being only 35 and looking back and realizing that your life was destroyed and you are only the ghost of the man you have been in the past. Sirius lost his freedom but also was scared physically, seeing his reflection and not recognizing the man in the mirror.

So in a way his behavior in the 5th don't surprise me at all. In the contrary, have he been better at handling the situation, I would have been thinking, "wow! he was tortured for 12 years and he is acting too much normal".

Harry is another example, but at least, when Harry was in his cupboard, he was left alone. Sirius was in constant demontors surveillance, 24/7, the high security bloc of Azkaban. He didn't have the luxury of a respite.

[RandomPasserby]

Nov 5, 2013 12:33:09 GMT -5 melodypottersnape said:

Then their only real conversation was when she was in my opinion acting like a bitch with the fact that 'only she knew what it was like to be possessed'.

Not to mention that she acts like every possession would be the same. I mean she was possessed with an entire soul that came from an object. Harry had a connection and there is no telling if the possession would be exactly the same.

Something occurred to me. Why didn't Harry bring up Quirrell?

Horcrux-possession has to be different from soul-possession because obviously Quirrell experienced none of Ginny's symptoms. In fact, the Voldemort who possessed him was capable of speaking on its own while Quirrell was doing stuff.

Now as much as this might be willing vs unwilling possession thing - Harry was possessed initially when he was 18 months old. I doubt you could explain the concept of possession to an 18 month old in order for one to be willing or unwilling.

We also don't know how much soul per Horcrux is distributed. It is half of the soul or only a fragment? Equal distributions or unequal. If anything, isn't Harry likely to have gotten more of Voldemort's soul than a typical Horcrux, since the rest of his soul was unanchored?

[ayrine]

Nov 8, 2013 15:39:58 GMT -5 RandomPasserby said:

Something occurred to me. Why didn't Harry bring up Quirrell?

Horcrux-possession has to be different from soul-possession because obviously Quirrell experienced none of Ginny's symptoms. In fact, the Voldemort who possessed him was capable of speaking on its own while Quirrell was doing stuff.

Now as much as this might be willing vs unwilling possession thing - Harry was possessed initially when he was 18 months old. I doubt you could explain the concept of possession to an 18 month old in order for one to be willing or unwilling.

We also don't know how much soul per Horcrux is distributed. It is half of the soul or only a fragment? Equal distributions or unequal. If anything, isn't Harry likely to have gotten more of Voldemort's soul than a typical Horcrux, since the rest of his soul was unanchored?

Harry forgot that Ginny was possesses until she reminded him, so he probably did forget about Quirell too. It was only 5 years ago, but so many things happened since then, each more horrible than the precedent so probably it felt like it was in another life for Harry.
Plus Harry was panicking and when Harry panic, he doesn't think he act rashly. Afterward, I imagine, he subconsciously preferred Ginny's version that reassured him and didn't want to dwell in the other terrible possibility.

As for possessions in HP world, we have seen 5 of them:

1-Quirell, who willingly let Voldemort share his soul, 2 particularities here:
-Voldemort had an appearance in Quirell's body, like a extension of Quirell's body that lived in the back of his head. He could also talk and force Quirell to do as he wanted and also hurt him.
-Voldemort didn't have a container, or a body, he was pure spirit and to maintain his power he needed Unicorn's blood so Quirell drunk Unicorn' blood to strengthen Voldemort.

2-Ginny. Ginny was possessed by Voldemort's Hoxcrux, 4 particularities:
-It was the 1st hoxcruxe. I am not sure if it make it special for that, plus the soul has a container : the diary. A diary that was able to communicate with its victim.
-It was design with the propose to possess someone, plus assuming that the 16 years old Voldmeort wasn't as good at possessing as the 70 years old one, he probably added some enchantments to weaken his victim, acting when he or she was sleeping, the rest was a matter of guiding a sleepwalker to do his deeds I guess, that why Ginny never remembered what happened.
-Ginny was 12, so her mind was weaker and probably less able to resist him.
-Voldemort tried to steal her life energy to have his own body, he didn't use hers.

3-Harry, it was more of visions because of the mental connection that formed between Harry and Voldemort. Here Harry was asleep, and was peaking trough Voldemort's mind.

4-Harry, in the end of the 5th, he is possessed by Voldemort, what we know is that it hurt so much that Harry wished to die; also as Voldemort wanted Dumbledore to kill Harry while Voldemort was in Harry's body, I think it's more like Quirell' possession than Ginny's.

5-Ron, in the 7th book,
-The hoxcrux was able to listen to their conversation but also to understand Ron's fears and torture him with them.
-The hoxcrux has container here too.
-It was more of suggestion and mental influence than a real possession. But Ron had the red eye and had to fight him back, so it's 50/50.

As for Harry being an hoxcrux. I think, in a way it's a mix of Quirell's possession and a hoxcrux.
But Voldemort in Harry's possession case was too weak in the contrary of Quirell's case (Unicorn's blood ingestion and willingness) and too unstable because he wasn't a proper Hoxcrux , so he couldn't take control of Harry's mind.
Then you put in the mix Lily's protection, who must have interfered in a way, you will have... OK. It's still doesn't make sens.

[ayrine]

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Edit:

I also have a big problem with the concept of soul splitting / anchor.
If the soul is really split into fragments and thus the initial soul louse of it's quantity each time it's cut into parts, how can an hoxcrux be an anchor? And if the Hoxcrux is an anchor, it would mean that the two fragments or more are relied between themselves in some way and it negate the soul complete splitting affirmation.
So it's split into parts yet not separated from the initial soul and in the same time anchored into an object.

[Kitty279]

Nov 8, 2013 15:39:58 GMT -5 RandomPasserby said:

Something occurred to me. Why didn't Harry bring up Quirrell?

Horcrux-possession has to be different from soul-possession because obviously Quirrell experienced none of Ginny's symptoms. In fact, the Voldemort who possessed him was capable of speaking on its own while Quirrell was doing stuff.

He probably didn't think of him, seeing how distressed he was. Besides, neither of them knew much of how it felt for Quirrell, so it's hard to use him as an example. I'm sure Hermione and Ginny would be convinced they know more about it than Harry, anyway.

Now as much as this might be willing vs unwilling possession thing - Harry was possessed initially when he was 18 months old. I doubt you could explain the concept of possession to an 18 month old in order for one to be willing or unwilling.

Makes you wonder how the soul piece of Moldyshorts was not taking him over, does it? To me, that didn't really look like a real possession, more of a parasite leeching on. Otherwise a toddler wouldn't be much of a challenge.

We also don't know how much soul per Horcrux is distributed. It is half of the soul or only a fragment? Equal distributions or unequal. If anything, isn't Harry likely to have gotten more of Voldemort's soul than a typical Horcrux, since the rest of his soul was unanchored?

Nah. For me, it had to be the smallest piece, aside of maybe Nagini. I always imagined that the soul basically is split into two, which means that the Diary Horcrux, which was the first, was probably the strongest, as it held the biggest soul piece. And even if just a random piece breaks off and the soul isn't broken into two halves, how much sould was left by Halloween 1981? He had already made the diary, locket, diadem, ring and cup, so the piece that latched onto Harry in Godric's Hollow was at least the sixth split off of Voldemort's soul. So, how much was even left at that time? In my opinion, the bigger the soul piece, the stronger it is.

While Moldyshorts was still in limbo, Harry only had problems with his scar when Quirrell was near, and when Voldemort got stronger by having a temporary body in that baby. Which to me sounds more like the soulpiece in Harry was too weak to act on its own, and needed the backup from the 'main soul', so to speak, to do anyting.

[melodypottersnape]

I read a fic called Again and Again that went a bit deeper into how little of a soul he had by the time he went to kill Harry.

[ginnyrules27]

To be fair to Harry, he did think of Quirrell for a moment. Remember in OotP when he ran his hand on the back of his head to feel if Voldemort was sticking out of it? But then he remembered that Voldemort had a body and so the idea was stupid.