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Post by MySecretSecondChance on Jun 16, 2012 23:36:30 GMT -5
It gets worse if you add Harry shagging and siring a child with his mom Lilly Potter. Please I'm Begging you change the subject Please I'll do anything just change the subject. |
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Post by mathalamus on Jun 16, 2012 23:46:01 GMT -5
huh. i must be the most fucked up person on the planet.
i didn't find any of the above disturbing. cause i know its jsut a story. and not to be taken seriously.
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 16, 2012 23:57:11 GMT -5
Its not that its just a story, its the fact that people out there write this stuff, it makes you wonder what kind of sickos get turned on by incest. I see no attraction in familial love, and neither does biology either, judging by the high level of increase in mental and phsyical retardation.
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 16, 2012 23:57:47 GMT -5
I've read that story on ffn and I didn't find that all that disturbing either. Good to know I'm not alone in that
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 17, 2012 0:02:20 GMT -5
Well the Wizarding World is pretty messed up. Cousins marrying cousins and I think that type of situation was mentioned in Point Givens HBP Story when they read the chapter on the Guants
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 17, 2012 0:06:32 GMT -5
And we see the great mental stability it produced in the Gaunts and Bellatrix. And to a certain extent, cousins is still understandable and whatever, but when it becomes immediate fsmily, then I see issues and get a little disturbed.
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Post by Dimcairien on Jun 17, 2012 0:07:03 GMT -5
The wizarding world is also behind on scientific aspects. If they knew that it was actually damaging to marry one's close relatives, they'd probably stop. I did read one story about issues cropping up in Pureblood families because of intermarriage. Here's the link. It does involve a redeemed Lucius Malfoy, but I still really liked it. www.fanfiction.net/s/7476728/1/bSourblood_b |
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 0:18:09 GMT -5
Yeah, the Wizarding World is pretty fucked up. I'm glad we don't live in it, if you ask me. The bad really outweighs the good in my opinion.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 0:34:17 GMT -5
I agree with you. Ginny was nothing but a fangirl. She wanted The Boy Who Lived. That's not Harry. Harry is not this superstar that leaps tall buildings in a single bound and smooches his adoring fans when he lands. He hated his fame and in all likelihood, was probably quite content to keep as far from the media's eye as he could get for his entire life. He probably avoided every publicly held party he could possibly excuse himself from, rather than doll himself up, doll her up, and show her off to all and sundry so she could gloat about 'catching' the 'most eligible wizard in the world'. *wanders off grumbling* YES! Yes! That's how I always imagined it - Harry not wanting to attend these social events, while Ginny wanted to drag him to every single one to show off that she got the BWL and all her dresses and jewelry. And Molly would be so happy that her little princess got her knight in shining armour and isn't poor any longer and she has another son who she can boss around. Anyway, if I had known beforehand what this thread was bringing up, I'd not read it during breakfast. Ugh. That's just sickening. To get back to topic: This discussion reminds me of another thing I am getting increasingly irritated with: That need to make Harry the head of umpteen houses and have a wife for every single one of them. Why on earth does he need half a dozen and more wifes? |
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Post by Trilonias on Jun 17, 2012 0:45:45 GMT -5
I hate when people say Ginny was nothing but a fangirl. I can see she had that back before the diary, but afterwards? No. If she was, she'd ditch Neville when given the chance to go with Harry for the Yuleball, or she wouldn't have dated Michael and Dean in the first place! No, I don't see Ginny as a fangirl. If I did, I'd label all female witches as fangirls. I'm especially reminded of Ginny's first line in CoS, where she knows Harry doesn't want that, and wouldn't force him into such things.
As for the other stuff... yikes. The wizarding world is screwed up, and a lot smaller than the nonmagical world. If it weren't for the muggleborn, they probably would've bred themselves stupid. I doubt Voldemort much cared for the ideals though... heck, he probably knew, thus once he took over and ruled beyond his first follower's lives, no one would be intelligent enough to go against him, and the rest would be unable learn enough before being subjugated. Too bad his plan failed long before then, eh?
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Post by blackroses77 on Jun 17, 2012 0:54:34 GMT -5
I agree with you Trilonias about Ginny
I don't know if this was brought up already but another pet peeve of mine especially in RtB fic is Sirius acting like an idiot. I can't stand when he is made out to be stupid, immature, ridiculously silly and doesn't take anything seriously. And the Sirius/Serious joke is only good for one mention per fic.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 0:56:18 GMT -5
I agree with you on Sirius, Black, but I don't really have any feelings either way for Ginny. I don't like that she's paired with Harry because her character is bland as shit and underdeveloped.
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Post by sherza on Jun 17, 2012 1:05:32 GMT -5
I hate when people say Ginny was nothing but a fangirl. I can see she had that back before the diary, but afterwards? No. If she was, she'd ditch Neville when given the chance to go with Harry for the Yuleball, or she wouldn't have dated Michael and Dean in the first place! No, I don't see Ginny as a fangirl. If I did, I'd label all female witches as fangirls. I'm especially reminded of Ginny's first line in CoS, where she knows Harry doesn't want that, and wouldn't force him into such things. See, the problem is ... her letting Neville take her to the ball and dating the other two guys? Was her trying to get Harry to notice her and get jealous that 'his girl' was with someone else. As for being forced to label all witches fangirls if Ginny is one ... oh no, hon, you don't. See, Hermione? Babbled very briefly about the books Harry was in, but other than that, never once treated him different or acted differently around him than around any other guy. Same for most of the girls we see in the books ... you don't see a ONE of them, other than Romilda Vane, acting like idiots around Harry. And then there's Ginny. Little miss 'oh, can I go see him', can't speak when he's anywhere near me (this went into her second year ... she only began speaking to him like a normal human being the summer before his fourth year/her third). And while I don't have the book in front of me, there are some very ... interesting quotes ... in either HBP or DH where she basically says that Harry is a thrill seeker and that's why she likes him. Which says she does not know him AT ALL. Because ... yeah. He's not a thrill seeker. Yes, 'thrilling' things happen to him, for a given value of thrilling (more death-defying, if you ask me) but he doesn't go seeking them out at all in most cases, and in the few he does seek them out, it's because he feels there's no other choice. And if she likes him because of that ... yeah. No. |
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Post by lucyolsen on Jun 17, 2012 1:14:48 GMT -5
I get that Ginny used to be a fangirl. Most people, when meeting a celebrity that they admire, would totally spaz like that.
Then she got to know him as a person, and got over it.
But what I don't get, is people saying that Ginny would drag Harry to all these events to show him off and all the dresses and jewelery. Ginny had 6 older brothers, and as much as Molly might have wanted a little princess, she ended up with someone who was almost a tomboy.
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Post by sherza on Jun 17, 2012 1:20:09 GMT -5
She may have disliked the dresses, but the schmoozing and showing off her man? The getting and exercising of influence and power? Yeah ... she'd hate that. NOT.
She may have outgrown the more immature aspects of being a fangirl, but she never stopped being one. She really only ever saw Harry as a hyphenated name and a lightning bolt scar.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 1:21:34 GMT -5
For being Mrs Potter, Ginny would dress up to show that she now can afford it. At least that is how I feel about her.
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Post by sherza on Jun 17, 2012 1:23:24 GMT -5
Agreed, Kitty. She might not LIKE what she had to wear, but she'd definitely wear it.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 1:24:28 GMT -5
And in the meantime, I feel that she'd cheat on Harry too.
Now I want to see one about this subject matter!
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Post by Trilonias on Jun 17, 2012 1:34:30 GMT -5
Hermione didn't just babble at first... she was overbearing! And Ginny was the one Harry was forced to notice due to close quarters of the Weasley house. She would've gotten over it much faster too, if it weren't for the diary. Afterwards, she couldn't speak to him mostly due to her having being rescued and having her secrets blurted out. I'm sure you'd love to have your crush know all your secrets when you were that age, yeah? And you hear about all the girls coming onto Harry... but only a few get named.
And she never said he was a thrill seeker. She called him a noble git. And that's why she likes him.
Back to Hermione - she too had her fangirlism. Over Lockhart no less! And if you say she got over it, who's to say Ginny didn't get over hers?
She only 'let' Neville take her to the ball because he ASKED her! And I doubt she did it to get Harry jealous, as she knew he wasn't even paying attention to her in the first place!
And Ginny isn't described to be powerhungry or a showoff. Though I somehow think that while we're seeing the same things, we're attributing very different aspects to what we see.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 1:41:11 GMT -5
And Ginny isn't described to be powerhungry or a showoff. Though I somehow think that while we're seeing the same things, we're attributing very different aspects to what we see. Oh, definitely. Look at how different we all look at different characters. Some adore Snape, some hate his guts. And that goes for a good deal of the characters. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 1:42:28 GMT -5
I think this is one of the reasons why HP is so popular.
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Post by sherza on Jun 17, 2012 1:47:37 GMT -5
I will freely admit to adoring Snape.
Blame it on Alan Rickman. I know I do. I saw the movies before reading the books. I don't think I'd be so interested in him if I hadn't seen Rickman's portrayal. He gave Snape *life*, in a way words on paper just couldn't.
That said, I am nowhere near blind as to Snape's myriad of faults. I just adore the heck out of the character, warts and all.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 1:48:59 GMT -5
That, and all the plotholes about which you can discuss endlessly. The stuff that never makes sense. The stuff JKR did wrong.
Of course, overall the magical world she invented is a fascinating one and it's fun playing in it.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 1:51:02 GMT -5
Too right you are, Kitty!  |
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Post by lucyolsen on Jun 17, 2012 1:56:49 GMT -5
Well, about Snape, I fully acknowledge that I can hate the canon Snape and love the fanon one. They're two different people. Sometimes the canon Snape makes appearances in fanfic, but I don't like him then either.
About Ginny, I just can't see what you are seeing in her. What I do agree with is that her character is underdeveloped. JK did not mean for Ginny to be a gold-digging, attention seeking showoff, so therefore, she is not one (at least in canon - individual fic-Ginnys may vary).
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Post by Trilonias on Jun 17, 2012 2:02:03 GMT -5
I am going to agree with lucyolsen on Ginny and Snape. Though I'm not too big a fan of fanon Snape. But at least he got fleshed out!
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 2:02:49 GMT -5
Snape is a character who I love to hate  |
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Post by Dimcairien on Jun 17, 2012 2:12:43 GMT -5
I hated Snape and loved Dumbledore for the first six books, but after reading Deathly Hallows I love Snape and have an indifference (neither love nor hate) Dumbledore.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 2:14:28 GMT -5
For me, his actions in the end couldn't make up for what he did throughout the rest of the series. And Dumbledore - well, my opinion of him sank with every book, to an all-time-low in DH. The way he set up Harry to sacrifice himself, and Snape to enforce it, was the last straw.
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Post by monkeymail on Jun 17, 2012 2:49:17 GMT -5
I agree with you. Ginny was nothing but a fangirl. She wanted The Boy Who Lived. Harry not wanting to attend these social events, while Ginny wanted to drag him to every single one to show off that she got the BWL and all her dresses and jewelry. And Molly would be so happy that her little princess got her knight in shining armour and isn't poor any longer and she has another son who she can boss around. where the hell are you guys getting this from??? first of all she was TEN! when she first met harry and had grown up reading ridiculous stories about him...of course she is going to be a fan of Harry...everybody is a fan of him! Second Ginny for all intents and purposes is not a major character so of course she is going to be developed as some of the others, if JK fleshed every single one of her characters out most of them would have a book of their own..... seriously guys your reading into the whole harry/ginny realtionship way to much its a story and if you dont like who the characters ended up with (which JK planned out from the start) thats your problem |
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