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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 10:36:49 GMT -5
Same here, Kitty.  |
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 14, 2012 10:38:43 GMT -5
Hermione tends to be a strong-willed character who believes herself to be right over everything. That showed the most in HBP when the Prince proved to be smarter than her. It irritated her.
It's why she's so pushy with house-elves and all her beliefs. Honestly, that's why she gets on my nerves. She doesn't want to see the world from other viewpoints because she's so fixated on herself being right. I don't hate her, I just think she's very...rigid, yes, that's the word, she's rigid.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 10:40:30 GMT -5
That's a perfect description, Gnovella.  |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 10:51:12 GMT -5
It is, indeed. And that's why she is sometimes grating on my nerves. Or take the Firebolt incident - while I understand her concern and it was nice of her to be concerned, I hate the way how she went behind Harry's back. Or in OotP, when she invited so many people for the first DA meeting without saying anything to Harry, and when she arranged the interview with Rita, not caring one bit if Harry wanted to do it in the first place. And then she had to mention Cho, too - I really wanted to slap her silly at that point.
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Post by Miss Wings on Jun 14, 2012 10:52:21 GMT -5
Bitch slapping fight here.. ooooh
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 11:24:14 GMT -5
Well, what do you expect, with all the killing methods we are coming up with for Umbitch, Voldy and Rita? A bit of slapping is harmless in comparison!
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 11:25:20 GMT -5
Exactly! I'm kind of shocked at how many ideas for death have come around...
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Post by Miss Wings on Jun 14, 2012 11:27:02 GMT -5
hate it when you get all the breaks so that the characters can go and ream the others out. for example remus & sirius will take harry in to another room just to shout at him for his behavior. I think that people forget what they themselves got up to as teens.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 11:35:05 GMT -5
That's a good one. |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 11:37:36 GMT -5
Yes. When a break for talks at all, then it's Dumbledore they should be dragging off, and Snape.
Too often people take that 'he will be safe and does need to grow up without his fame' way too easily for my taste and don't protest against it.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 11:39:31 GMT -5
THANK YOU! That is another thing that bothers me! I call bullshit on the fame excuse, because having all that fame thrust upon Harry made it harder for him to deal with. A loving family would have helped make the notion of it easier to accept/live with.
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Post by sherza on Jun 14, 2012 13:21:25 GMT -5
What always bugged me about Hermione and the house elf thing is that she ... well, went about it completely wrong.
1) She did not do any research whatever. These are magical beings. What if they HAVE to be enslaved in order to survive? True, Dobby and Winky don't seem to be dying or anything, but Dobby could have 'connected' with Harry on the sly, and Winky with Dumbles. Either that or it takes more than five years (in Dobby's case) for them to waste away.
2) These creatures have been enslaved for millenia. Throwing shirts at them and expecting them to be able to life full, normal, free lives and be grateful to her for the freedom is completely and totally unrealistic.
3) She didn't listen to ANYONE when they tried to smack some sense into her. Granted, Ron isn't the most erudite individual, but he DID try to point out that House Elves like their lot the way it is. He wasn't te only one either. And she completely ignored everyone and bulled ahead with her idea anyway, basically being a complete bitch about it until people caved and joined SPEW just to shut her the heck up about it already.
Actually, Dumbledore had a small point when he mentioned the fame thing. Sirius (if he'd been allowed to raise Harry) might well have gone Muggle, because it would get Harry away from the hooplah. He'd also have TOLD Harry about it, and explained things, but having an avenue where Harry can grow up just a normal kid would be of the good. You have only to look at Hollywood child stars to have an idea of what can happen when kids have to deal with fame. It ain't pretty folks.
Not to mention most Death Eaters wouldn't have the first idea how to find someone in the Muggle world, so it'd be safer.
That said, having loving 'parents' whilst in the Muggle world would have been preferred. *snort*
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 13:28:16 GMT -5
The worst was that Hermione thought she could decide over the fate of a whole race, regardless of their own wishes and needs. That's what dictators do!
While I agree that Harry needed to be shielded from the fame, you are right about how Sirius would have done it. Of course, in the end it would have still been hard for Harry to deal with, but Sirius (or another wizard guardian) could have prepared him, so the shock wasn't so bad, and he could have developed a way to deal with his unwanted fame a bit easier.
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 14, 2012 14:26:11 GMT -5
The worst was that Hermione thought she could decide over the fate of a whole race, regardless of their own wishes and needs. That's what dictators do! She wouldn't even listen to them when they told her they didn't want freedom! She refused to understand that Dobby was just one of those random people who doesn't really conform to the rest of their race. |
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Post by blackroses77 on Jun 14, 2012 14:43:53 GMT -5
hate it when you get all the breaks so that the characters can go and ream the others out. for example remus & sirius will take harry in to another room just to shout at him for his behavior. I think that people forget what they themselves got up to as teens. I think it is quite appropriate that they don't ignore everything that Harry has done and a telling off is better done in private rather than in front of everyone IMO. As for forgetting what they got up to as teens, sorry that doesn't fly with me. I am sure everyone's parents did things they shouldn't have; got a speeding ticket, drove drunk maybe pulled some other dangerous stunts, that doesn't mean a good parent won't call their kid out on such behavior if they find out they did the same thing. Not discussing and/or punishing a kid for something is the same as giving them the green light to go ahead and do it again. I admit it in my younger years I wasn't the safest driver and if I ever found out my kid (not that I have one yet) did the things that I did even if I found out a year later you can be sure that at the very least they would get a serious lecture. And that is the role Sirius at least has with Harry, that of parent or gaurdian and Remus to though I know a lot of people won't agree with me on Remus. |
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 14, 2012 14:47:48 GMT -5
I think that's why Ron's good for her, because he's not afraid to tell her she's wrong. Harry's too polite towards her. He lets Hermione get by, but Ron stamps his foot when she's being silly. Like in POA when they were fighting over Scabbers. He was right, she should have apologized, and even if it was childish, it highlighted why he's good for her, because he doesn't let her get away when she's wrong.
Hermione's a great character, I'll admit, and I love her, but seriously, most fanfics tend to ignore her fatal flaw, which is easily her inability to admit she's wrong or her rigidness.
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 14, 2012 15:07:14 GMT -5
Yeah they have her as really smart and always understanding or the opposite in Bashing fics.
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 14, 2012 18:50:48 GMT -5
Fatal flaw: that is such a perfect word. Thank you so much, gnovella! I believe the correct term for her 'fatal flaw' would be hubris.
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 14, 2012 19:05:15 GMT -5
Hubris was the word I was trying to get but couldn't find  And I know, fatal flaw just worked with the theme I was going for. |
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Post by blackroses77 on Jun 14, 2012 20:42:20 GMT -5
Another pet peeve of mine, and I think this has already been metioned but since it absolutely infuriates me I'm putting in my two cents, is when an author writes a femHarry. He is a boy!!! If you don't like slash then write about Hermione or something but don't turn Harry into a girl just so you feel comfortable pairing him with a guy.
Sorry, rant over.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 20:48:27 GMT -5
Yeah, it gets on my nerves too. I like Harry as a boy, thanks. |
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Post by codygotkilld on Jun 14, 2012 20:51:13 GMT -5
It's not that I don't like femHarry but I do hate how some authors automatically make him/her better at subjects being a girl. I don't really see how Harry would be better at magic if he was born or changed into a girl, you know?
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Post by lucyolsen on Jun 14, 2012 21:06:56 GMT -5
If there was a fic that did it right, I'd like to read it. I don't mean fics in which Harry was always a girl, but fics in which he got turned into a girl, and then had to deal with gender-identity issues. Harry in a girl's body would still be a boy, he would not suddenly be attracted to the sex opposite of what he used to. He would not shave his legs, do his makeup, grow his hair long, or cry at every little thing.
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 14, 2012 22:05:35 GMT -5
Here's one:
Hermione wearing a skimpy two piece bikini. I know it's not that big of a deal, but really, think aboUt her character and values. She doesn't parade around in bikinis!
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Post by blackroses77 on Jun 14, 2012 22:19:16 GMT -5
If there was a fic that did it right, I'd like to read it. I don't mean fics in which Harry was always a girl, but fics in which he got turned into a girl, and then had to deal with gender-identity issues. Harry in a girl's body would still be a boy, he would not suddenly be attracted to the sex opposite of what he used to. He would not shave his legs, do his makeup, grow his hair long, or cry at every little thing. That...could actually be interesting. Seeing a boy dealing with girl issues, as long as it didn't last long and he turned back into a boy again. And since other than CR's I only read slash pairings it could be hilarious to see Harry's partner suddenly have to deal with a TEMPORARY girlHarry. |
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Post by codygotkilld on Jun 14, 2012 22:21:10 GMT -5
Here's one: Hermione wearing a skimpy two piece bikini. I know it's not that big of a deal, but really, think aboUt her character and values. She doesn't parade around in bikinis! Yep, I have read a fic or two that had someting like this. This just seems so out of character for Hermione that I tend to skip out of the fic. I also hate how some Harry/Hermione stories basically have the two indulge in kinky sex behing Hermione's parent's backs. Even when they get caught, the parents are alright with it because Harry and Hermione remind them of their teenage years. This is so OOC that I have to remind my self who the characters are. |
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Post by lucyolsen on Jun 14, 2012 22:30:23 GMT -5
There are some Stargate Atlantis fics that seem to do it well. There was one where John got turned into a woman, but he was so flat chested, didn't shave his legs, and his hair was exactly the same, that no one could tell until you got his clothes off (which Rodney did). There are some others that posit that Meredith Rodney McKay was born a girl but didn't agree with that and had a sex-change (and the remix of one of them had John wanting to be a woman) And there's a really great Supernatural fic where Dean was born a girl but has always had the support of his brother and father in living his life as a boy, (and then Castiel brought him back from hell with a penis). EDIT: I realize that I made it sound like Castiel's penis brought Dean back from Hell, and I decided I didn't want to change it, because it is too epic. tl;dr: you should check out "Trust Book One" by Woodland Goddess www.fanfiction.net/s/6737659/1/Trust_Book_OneIn it, Salazar turns Harry into a girl (temporary) as punishment for killing his basilisk. Harry is already with Snape at that point. Don't read it if you can't stand rape, because Harry got kidnapped while he was a girl. It's a very long story and that is only a small part of it. |
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Post by blackroses77 on Jun 14, 2012 22:40:12 GMT -5
I will definitely be trying Trust Book One! Thank you lucyolsen |
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Post by ShotgunWilly on Jun 15, 2012 5:35:08 GMT -5
Here's one: Hermione wearing a skimpy two piece bikini. I know it's not that big of a deal, but really, think aboUt her character and values. She doesn't parade around in bikinis! Yep, I have read a fic or two that had someting like this. This just seems so out of character for Hermione that I tend to skip out of the fic. I don't know... I mean, it is always the quiet ones after all. |
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 15, 2012 7:09:02 GMT -5
;D Touche!
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And I know, fatal flaw just worked with the theme I was going for. 
