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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 3:55:05 GMT -5
Exactly! And if they have read the first two books before, then it's even worse, then it's absolutely crystal clear that Harry was abused. When the only adult Harry trusts then spanks him for trying to save a life, then that's the worst idea ever and would reinforce once and for all that adults can never, ever be trusted. It was the reason why I gave up a number of fics - I am not a fan of spanking to begin with, but in that case, it was just too much for me.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 4:00:00 GMT -5
*snorts* We should send someone in there that we don't really care about then! They can lose their hearing and the last thing they'll hear is Molly and Walburga battling it out with their voices! Thanks for the idea, just ran over to the Umbitch thread and added this wonderful new torture method ;D Actually, Neville was the other child of prophecy, so Snape was in a way responsible for what happened to Frank and Alice - even if he wasn't the one to torture them. Besides, Snape bullied three quarters of the school, while the Slytherins got away with everything. In the end, the latter never learned that actions have consequences, they always get away. Great method to set people like Draco on a criminal career ... |
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 4:01:54 GMT -5
And what good is spanking going to do for past/future events? I'm sorry, but no. That's just really fucked up. Even more so when Harry most likely expects to be treated badly for everything that is read.
And stories where it's in Harry is a 3rd year or higher, it's worse. That seems a bit old for spankings if you ask me.
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Post by sherza on Jun 14, 2012 4:05:34 GMT -5
Kuma, if my recollection is correct, the only incident the kids could truly be (mildly) scolded for is the Troll incident ... Snape walks right past them.
That said, it's SNAPE. Who hates Harry and who they think is going after the Stone. So really ... yeah. They DO try to get help multiple times, and get brushed off (I'm looking at you, McGonagall) or go to the wrong person (Hi there, Lockhart), but usually, things happen in such a way there's just not TIME or there's no adults around to run to.
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Post by IceBlueRose on Jun 14, 2012 4:09:27 GMT -5
It's true - Snape ended up just bullying everyone (I mean, we never really see him with the Hufflepuffs and Ravenclaws but I can't imagine him being nice to them when everyone talks about how horrible he is so I assume he treats them a lot like he does the Gryffindors) but the Slytherins. It's ironic that he became the very thing he hated.
As for punishing/spanking for past and future acts - I never see the point in it. I know it could be argued that they're trying to show how much they care or worry about the kids but there's got to be a better way of doing that. Especially in Harry's case because of the fact that he's abused and so I really don't think he'd take too well to being physically punished by one of the few adults he actually trusts.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 4:10:29 GMT -5
I've read stories where Harry Hermione and Ron get spanked for going through the trapdoor. If a fic is good enough, I can look past it, but that really annoys me.
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Post by IceBlueRose on Jun 14, 2012 4:27:50 GMT -5
Agreed on being able to overlook it - I've done the same when the fic is good enough. But, yeah, I'm like you in that I find it annoying.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 4:29:13 GMT -5
It's just really unfair. Besides, for the major things that happen, was anyone else actually doing jack shit? It seems that time and time again it's up to Harry and co. who step up to the mantle. Indeed. The adults either did nothing or didn't believe anything or threatened them. Ever noticed how the so-called protections on the stone are tailored for the trio and Neville? Aside of Fluffy, the Death Snare for Neville (who was with them the first time), the keys for the youngest Seeker in a century, the chess game for the best player in Gryffindor, the logic puzzle for the brightest witch of her age? It's hard to see how that wasn't a set-up. So, Dumbledore *wanted* them to go for it - which was implied later in the hospital wing, too. Then the adults punish them for it? Please, go and give Dumbledore what's coming to him, not the kids! In second year, what were the adults doing? Why on earth was the school not closed after the first petrification and the DMLE called to take the whole castle apart? Why could all the oh so great teachers not add the facts, including Dumbledore, but a second-year could? Pathetic. I could go on and on ... it ends with three completely untrained, unprepared teenagers sent out to do Dumbledore's dirty work for him and end the war. What did he do all these years? He had his guesses, and after second year at least he had the certainty what was behind it, but once again, all he did was guarding an useless prophecy. |
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Post by sherza on Jun 14, 2012 4:36:35 GMT -5
Well, I don't blame the teachers for not adding the pieces together. All they had was that something was petrifying students. Hagrid went to *Dumbledore* about the roosters, so there's no telling if he passed that information on. There's got to be several critters that can petrify. Harry and co seem to be the only ones aware of the spiders fleeing the castle, and that Harry could hear it talking.
That said ... they really should have brought the DMLE and evacuated the castle after Mrs. Norris, I totally agree.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 4:38:02 GMT -5
It's just really unfair. Besides, for the major things that happen, was anyone else actually doing jack shit? It seems that time and time again it's up to Harry and co. who step up to the mantle. Indeed. The adults either did nothing or didn't believe anything or threatened them. Ever noticed how the so-called protections on the stone are tailored for the trio and Neville? Aside of Fluffy, the Death Snare for Neville (who was with them the first time), the keys for the youngest Seeker in a century, the chess game for the best player in Gryffindor, the logic puzzle for the brightest witch of her age? It's hard to see how that wasn't a set-up. So, Dumbledore *wanted* them to go for it - which was implied later in the hospital wing, too. Then the adults punish them for it? Please, go and give Dumbledore what's coming to him, not the kids! In second year, what were the adults doing? Why on earth was the school not closed after the first petrification and the DMLE called to take the whole castle apart? Why could all the oh so great teachers not add the facts, including Dumbledore, but a second-year could? Pathetic. I could go on and on ... it ends with three completely untrained, unprepared teenagers sent out to do Dumbledore's dirty work for him and end the war. What did he do all these years? He had his guesses, and after second year at least he had the certainty what was behind it, but once again, all he did was guarding an useless prophecy. Yeah. It's all just a sick game to Dumbledore, I think. Part of me tends to think that Dumbledore enjoys setting up these situations and only pretends to be bothered when bad things happen. Some things he couldn't have known about and some things he didn't care about, but what he did manipulate he did enjoy. That's just my perspective on him, of course. |
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Post by ShotgunWilly on Jun 14, 2012 4:38:29 GMT -5
There's got to be several critters that can petrify. Cockatrices can as well, among others, though don't ask me to name anymore... |
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Post by sherza on Jun 14, 2012 4:42:51 GMT -5
Yeah, so if all the teachers had was 'it can petrify' ... I really don't blame them for not figuring it out.
Even the roosters wouldn't be a massive clue ... there are reasons other than them being a danger to the creature in question to kill them (source of blood for the messages, for instance). It'd only be if they knew about the roosters AND the spiders and didn't figure it out (ESPECIALLY Hagrid, who would have wanted to catch it and name it Buttons or some crazy thing like that), that I'd start calling them idiots.
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 14, 2012 7:20:58 GMT -5
Another Pet Peeve, When Colin Creevey is made into a crazy stalker. I read a fanfic where Sirius kept freaking out that Colin was too involved with Harry and was suspicious, and I facepalmed. He's an 11 year old who's excited to meet his hero, not a stalker. I was so sad when he died  |
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 7:23:12 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly, Gnovella! I loved Colin and found him simply adorable. I cried when he died, because he was so young and innocent. |
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 14, 2012 7:49:51 GMT -5
Colin's so cute and innocent. He's like a little boy, and when he said he wanted to fight, I was like NOOO go home, you're like a bunny, if you die, it'll be too sad.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 8:01:32 GMT -5
Awwww *sadface* Now I'm sad. |
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Post by Miss Wings on Jun 14, 2012 8:02:36 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever seen one, because like heck am I going to look, but as ... strange ... as people are, it would NOT surprise me for there to be Harry/Dumbledore fics out there. *horrified full body shudder*  Trust me when I say that I've read plenty of lemons involving Harry/Albus as a couple.. Couldn't sleep for weeks after that day. 1 of them was practically sexual abuse. I've also read a Draco/Albus fic called the "Headmaster" or something like that where Draco's in a shower and Albus joins him hence the title.. ewwww |
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 14, 2012 8:06:20 GMT -5
I've seen Gellert Harry, don't even ask me how it works, they've never even met! I didn't get past looking at the pairing to go any further. I had to wash my eyes out repeatedly.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 8:10:29 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever seen one, because like heck am I going to look, but as ... strange ... as people are, it would NOT surprise me for there to be Harry/Dumbledore fics out there. *horrified full body shudder* Trust me when I say that I've read plenty of lemons involving Harry/Albus as a couple.. Couldn't sleep for weeks after that day. 1 of them was practically sexual abuse. I've also read a Draco/Albus fic called the "Headmaster" or something like that where Draco's in a shower and Albus joins him hence the title.. ewwww EW! EW! EW! FUCKING EW!!!!!!! *runs to the bathroom and vomits* Those are the worst, most vile things I've ever heard of! WTF! People are really really demented! |
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Post by Miss Wings on Jun 14, 2012 8:23:15 GMT -5
hehehehe sowwy *innocent grin* would it be worse if I told you I was currently sucking a lolly pop? mwaaahahahaha
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 8:24:59 GMT -5
Yes, you did just make it worse! You're evil! EVIL! T^T
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Post by Miss Wings on Jun 14, 2012 8:27:10 GMT -5
is loving my life today...
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 8:27:58 GMT -5
<___< *backs away slowly*
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Post by Miss Wings on Jun 14, 2012 8:29:08 GMT -5
nooooo come back.. all you gotta do is search google for them.. hehehehe
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 8:31:13 GMT -5
O.O
Um....no.
NO.
NOOOOOO!
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Post by My-Rebel-Within on Jun 14, 2012 8:33:09 GMT -5
I hate rape story. (I can understand if you have been rape. The story is a therapeutic thing, may be. It is a big IF) Why would people write about such a violation of someone’s person? If the author has never been raped, is it not a bit insulting to anyone who went through that hateful act? I know someone who had this happen to her/him, and she/he barely survived it. I think anyone who has not been raped should thank there lucky stars not write about horrible things they have not been through or at least warn the reader. I am sorry to anyone who has been through it. Why would anyone read these stories as a source of entrainment?
Worst part is many times the authors will not or forget to warn the reader, and you are blindsided with these terrible things you never wanted to read.
I am sorry if I offended anyone.
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Post by Miss Wings on Jun 14, 2012 8:34:15 GMT -5
*evil grin* dammit *evil grin fades*
seriously though, it was a couple of years ago that I found it and then ended up in hospital so what does that tell you? those fics are jinxed!!
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 14, 2012 8:39:37 GMT -5
<.< Yeah, they probably are. And I value my health, so I'm not going near them.
And Rebel, it is horrible. I get exactly where you're coming from. If an author is going to include rape, at least let the readers know! Either in summary or a few chapters ahead would be nice!
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Post by OculisCaeruleis on Jun 14, 2012 10:31:22 GMT -5
(I always have to facepalm when Hermione does the scolding when you consider some of the stuff that comes out of her mouth towards others.) Hermione is one of these who are complaining the loudest about the boy's manners and lack of tact, but she's not a paragon of tact, either. Actually, she's sometimes brutal, and Luna got one thing right - Hermione's not going to believe anything when you don't hit her over the head with the facts. In our story, we had already someone point out that before her Hogwarts letter came, Hermione would have said that things like magic, dragons, goblins etc. don't exist, and she would have been very insistent on that, IMO. But all of that exists. So, just because she doesn't have seen them, that doesn't mean they don't exist. But she is still rude because someone believes in them. If it hadn't been nargles and wrackspurts but a religion (such as Christianity/Judaism/Sikhism/etc.) that Luna believed in, what would Hermione have said then? There is no evidence for that, after all... Just some food for thought. Casually changing the subject because the way this thread was going was just... yeah. Grindlewald and Harry? Really? |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 14, 2012 10:34:28 GMT -5
Interesting point. Yes, that would give some food for thought.
Isn't it strange how Hermione on the other hand is so obsessed with house-elf rights, but overlooks *human* rights when it suits her? That's something that bothered me in canon, too.
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