Wait What?

[Silvertongue]

It isn't just the plagiarism side though. You should go up and read my earlier post. That explains it.

[mountaingirl777]

You know, this whole situation reminds me of the purging of Jonas Brothers fanfiction. the admins decided that enough was enough since the fans had taken over the "A Cinderella Story" category (don't ask why, it was really weird to see Jonas Brothers fanfics there.)

That was how Jonas Brothers Fanfiction Archive got started. Yes, I admit that I'm a member there as well.

[lucyolsen]

May 31, 2012 15:09:26 GMT -5 biakit said:

MST: comments inserted in between the flow of a copied story.

That is the rule that makes these types of stories disallowed. For some context "MST" stands for "Mystery Science Theater (3000)." In the old days of fanfiction.net, before this rule existed, people used to copy other people's (usually) badly written fic and then make fun of it by having the show's/book's characters or other OC make comments. For those that don't know, MST3K used to be on the SciFi channel, and it was bad horror and scifi movies being made fun of by characters sitting at the bottom of the screen.

That said, just because the stories aren't allowed, doesn't mean I don't like to read them. I do agree that they break the rules, I just don't care.

[mathalamus]

everything is so chaotic. have they or have they not officially stop deleting reading the books fan fiction?

and to the above: they should have enforced it in the first place. since they did not, that was assumed to be allowed.

[adais]

maybe doing this stories like a story i saw once on FF basically they never posted the actual text the characters where reacting to what they where reading while having a conversation and no word by word copying of the actual book

[lucyolsen]

Jun 1, 2012 0:15:57 GMT -5 mathalamus said:

they should have enforced it in the first place. since they did not, that was assumed to be allowed.

It's not like they have a giant staff that reads every fic that is published - they're only going to look into deleting a fic that has been reported.

It's the same as the rule which bans songfics (which also disallows read the book stories): as long as no one reports the story, it's not going to get deleted.

[codygotkilld]

My whole gripe about these people who go around reporting stories is that they all seem like jealous assholes. It's like they only do it because a majority of these fics get more responses then their stories. They then decided to play "God" and report everyone while wearing a smile on their faces. But when people find out what is happening they back track and "apologize" for what they did wrong. Then, after the whole thing cools down, these douchebags go and create another account and try again. If ff.net really wants to do something constructive, they should delete the members who hold multipe accounts and this would probably solve some of the grief authors face on ff.net.

[mountaingirl777]

Jun 1, 2012 0:22:19 GMT -5 @adais said:

maybe doing this stories like a story i saw once on FF basically they never posted the actual text the characters where reacting to what they where reading while having a conversation and no word by word copying of the actual book

Was it a twilight story? If so, I remember someone reviewing about it on another HP Read the Book story when he/she was reported. they told her to try and write like the person who wrote the twilight version, but I can't remember the name of it. I want to know because I would like to see how they wrote it and would like to try my hand at it.

[Kitty279]

Jun 1, 2012 0:23:16 GMT -5 lucyolsen said:

It's not like they have a giant staff that reads every fic that is published - they're only going to look into deleting a fic that has been reported.

It's the same as the rule which bans songfics (which also disallows read the book stories): as long as no one reports the story, it's not going to get deleted.

Sure, but these stories have been around for nearly ten years, and they have to be aware of them, particularly as there have been attempts like the current one before. If they really wanted to enforce that rule, it wouldn't be so hard to find the stories and delete them - have you ever tried to do a community search for "read book"? It would give them easy access to hundreds, if not thousands of such stories. But they did never anything, so that sudden actionism now and then doesn't make sense. And a search for songfic brings up 55,871 hits ... so, what's the point in forbidding them if they don't do anything to enforce the rules?

Jun 1, 2012 1:23:41 GMT -5 codygotkilld said:

My whole gripe about these people who go around reporting stories is that they all seem like jealous assholes. It's like they only do it because a majority of these fics get more responses then their stories.

Yeah, I got the impression that the stories targeted were mainly the popular ones with many reviews, but I could be mistaken.

[lucyolsen]

Jun 1, 2012 2:08:59 GMT -5 Kitty279 said:

Yeah, I got the impression that the stories targeted were mainly the popular ones with many reviews, but I could be mistaken.

Well, I know that older fics have been deleted, but at first I thought that stories that were popping up as newly updated/published were getting reported, so all these A/N updates that the authors were doing in response to the deletions were the absolute worst possible thing to do. Really, though, even though the older fics are getting deleted, updating the newer ones is just putting them in the line of fire.

[Kitty279]

True, though most updates recently have been AN about the whole mess. I just noticed that from my favourites the deleted ones were some of the best ...

[Silvertongue]

I also wish that the authors who have been warned wouldn't post this site in their author's notes. If they really want to inform us where they will post it they should pm or put it in their profile somewhere. other wise it's far too easy to track them down here and have another douche attempt to take down this site.

[Kitty279]

Maybe, but what I want to know is how it works on FFN in the first place. I mean, it shouldn't be possible for anyone than the Admins to take down stories not their own, so how do Heart of Aiur and others do it? Do they report it and the Admins delete the stories? For if some random troll can do it, then the security there's beyond the pale.

Here, I believe it would be up to Point Given, and only lawyers could really force him to do it, not some user with just too much time on their hands.

[RogueNya]

Indeed I think JK or WB would have to step in and then they would have to remove ALL the sites involving the HP series. So I think this site is safe.

And as to how they delete, it does get reported then the staff remove the stories.

Do the authors get a warning of any kind or do they just get deleted?

[Kitty279]

Well, if the staff there does it, then it's the most inconsequential staff I've ever encountered! Allowing the stories, then remove a few random stories, then turn a blind eye again, then delete a few again ... *rolls eyes*

Somehow I doubt it - my impression is that all the warning some authors got was that Heart of Aiur or whoever was it told them they are going to be reported - but without that, there was no warning. Or at least it sounded like that to me.

[Silvertongue]

I think they might get a message telling them their story has been taken down so not so much a warning, more of a "just to let you know" sort of thing.

There is one person with a bot that had a forum thread on there 2 years ago but I don't know if he's still about or not. His bot deleted stories with certain phrases I think.

I think decent hackers would be able to bring down a site like this though wouldn't they? Lord Kelvin certainly sounds like the time who would put that much effort into destroying people's hard work.

[RogueNya]

*sighs* I think they should give warning, to like remove the story or edit out the parts causing the issue, after all how can one learn. It would be like being put in time out without knowing why.

Ah yes that Red Button stuff a while ago, that so killed my muse >.<

Heh I would actually like to see that happen in regards to the software, the Admin of Proboards would go after them for that... But as long as Point Given has a Strong Password then the site should be alright.

[Silvertongue]

wouldn't life just suck if the admin for proboards was one of these prugers?

[RogueNya]

Cannot see that being the case, as they are not like that, plus they are big in following the laws and rules, and Trolling like these guys are would fall under the latter as they are maliciously going after these peoples stories.

[Silvertongue]

That's true but I'm not sure if they would condone this type of fic or not.

[RogueNya]

Perhaps not no, but then again if the owner of the content does not have issue with it then they tend to look the other way, which is kinda what FF.net does, or least had been.

[Kitty279]

Jun 1, 2012 7:01:01 GMT -5 RogueNya said:

*sighs* I think they should give warning, to like remove the story or edit out the parts causing the issue, after all how can one learn. It would be like being put in time out without knowing why.

Yes, they should. Though I remember a case some years ago in another fandom where a story was deleted without warning just because of a supposedly wrong rating. Would have been too easy to just ask the author to up the rating, right, it's so much easier to just delete the whole story! She lost everything, as she didn't have a backup, and got it only back because some reader had downloaded it. Later she posted it on another archive with very strict rules and the webmistress there did read the part that caused the problem in the first place and didn't find anything problematic with it. Since then, I was always slightly suspicious of how things are handled on FFN. IMO that was no way to act. I always wondered if they even checked if the complaint was founded in the first place ...

[Silvertongue]

it does sound like they don't read it beforehand. I think this will put a lot of people off that website. I mean, if they are so concerned about ratings then they should put a better filter on like they have with adultfanfiction.net. If, when you sign up, you have to put your age, then that should block the younger age group from viewing the higher rated fics. It may not keep most people out because you could always lie about your age but at least they would have tried. It's the reader's choice if they want to read highly rated stuff and if they become "traumatised" or whatever well then it's their fault for reading in the first place when they've been warned.

[RogueNya]

You make a good point.
I doubt they actually read the stories save for maybe the first chapter, second at most. So that could explain how they get deleted so quickly.

Ah yeah that is why I just rate mine as M and be done with it that way I am not under rating them.

[Silvertongue]

Rating them M sounds like a good idea. I think mine were all M-rated anyway before I deleted them (don't worry, they weren't read the books fics, just terribly written fics from years ago that I was too ashamed to have on my profile) so it wouldn't make much difference to me anyway.

BTW, was Exploring Harry Potter's Life deleted again? I heard the author had started reposting it but I can't find it anywhere.

[angelty]

THERES ANOTHER ONE OUT THERE!

HIS NAME IS Delete the Clutter, PLEASE GET AHOLD OF FANFICTION.NET AND TELL THEM TO STOP HIM BEFORE HE BEGINS! There should be a rule that protects this sort of fanfic! I hope you'll join me and tell him to get lost!

Oh yeah, and I had this guy write to me...don't I feel special

Heart-of-Aiur-Take-Two ()
--

Heart-of-Aiur-Take-Two:I asked you for a simple favor that if you were going
to do canon-pairings (which are bulsshit) that you set it as such with the
character choices (Harry P. and Ginny W.).

Anyone know what the hell he is talkig about?

Yep, I'm not coming back. Way to ruin a decent fic, bar the blatant plagarism
you have going on.

Enjoy.

Mr. I-know-what-is-right, can't spell worth crap can he? I don't even know what he means by that. But I say that we nix all the self righteous people who can't seem to come up with their own stories so they eradicate ours, that they get booted off the site.

that what Lady Celestial Star put down

[RogueNya]

O.O that was a weird message, i could not understand what he was saying... Did he message you before? If not then that was totally out of context....

[ginnyrules27]

Jun 1, 2012 8:23:09 GMT -5 angelty said:

THERES ANOTHER ONE OUT THERE!

HIS NAME IS Delete the Clutter, PLEASE GET AHOLD OF FANFICTION.NET AND TELL THEM TO STOP HIM BEFORE HE BEGINS! There should be a rule that protects this sort of fanfic! I hope you'll join me and tell him to get lost!

Oh yeah, and I had this guy write to me...don't I feel special

Heart-of-Aiur-Take-Two ()
--

Heart-of-Aiur-Take-Two:I asked you for a simple favor that if you were going
to do canon-pairings (which are bulsshit) that you set it as such with the
character choices (Harry P. and Ginny W.).

Anyone know what the hell he is talkig about?

Yep, I'm not coming back. Way to ruin a decent fic, bar the blatant plagarism
you have going on.

Enjoy.

Mr. I-know-what-is-right, can't spell worth crap can he? I don't even know what he means by that. But I say that we nix all the self righteous people who can't seem to come up with their own stories so they eradicate ours, that they get booted off the site.

that what Lady Celestial Star put down

Look, I talked to my mom about these guys and she said that they were just cyber terrorists, trying to make Fanfiction into what they wanted instead of what it is.

Respond and call him out on it.

[Silvertongue]

what he means is if you are going to have...say Harry/Ginny together in the fic can you set the 2 character selections as those 2, even though that is not what they are supposed to be used for. They're just there for the MAIN characters not the pairing....what an idiot

[Deleted]

Does anyone know if Lady Celestial Star knows about this place? I would love to see that story here.