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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 7, 2012 22:03:58 GMT -5
And I never said any of the Weasley kids were conceived under the influence of the love potion. I don't know when Arthur and Molly married, but I doubt they had Bill nine months later, so there'd be a gap of time for the potioning to be discovered, stopped, and the emotional fallout to be dealt with. Except you have zero evidence to support your theory. If it was true JKR would have given us a lot more hints of it other than hearing Molly, Ginny and Hermione giggling about a love potion. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 7, 2012 22:07:50 GMT -5
Moocow, you have to admit that it's awful they were laughing about it, though.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 7, 2012 22:10:44 GMT -5
Moocow, you have to admit that it's awful they were laughing about it, though. Not necessarily as we have no idea what they were laughing about in relation to the love potion. For all we know they could have been laughing about Molly seeing a classmate affected by a love potion (a classmate that she did not use the love potion on). |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 7, 2012 22:12:58 GMT -5
Love potions are horrible, no matter what context! It's wrong to alter someone's feelings, even for a few minutes! I find nothing funny about it, none whatsoever.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 7, 2012 22:18:46 GMT -5
Hermione who is generally speaking a very ethical person did not have a problem with whatever Molly said.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 7, 2012 22:23:41 GMT -5
I know. But I find that a fault in Rowling's writing. I'm sorry, but love potions are horrible.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 7, 2012 22:26:25 GMT -5
I know. But I find that a fault in Rowling's writing. I'm sorry, but love potions are horrible. I think it is a sign that whatever Molly said was not at all offensive. Also for all we know it was Ginny or Hermione who brought up the love potion, not Molly. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 7, 2012 22:33:18 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. None of them should have been laughing about it. Love potions are the Wizarding World's rape drug! The fact that it's sold legally for the most part is awful!
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 7, 2012 22:40:01 GMT -5
On a random note how does a love potion affect someone that is already in love with them. For instance we know that Ron smells Hermione's perfume in his version of the love potion so say for instance Hermione used that love potion on Ron. How would that affect Ron given that he is already in love with Hermione? Harry - Treacle tart, a broomstick handle and Ginny Weasley's hair. Hermione - Freshly mowed grass, new parchment and Ron Weasley's hairRon - Molly Weasley's cooking, bacon and Hermione Granger's perfume. harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Amortentia |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 7, 2012 22:43:57 GMT -5
I don't believe that love potion affects someone who is already in love. I was just stating that love potions are nasty and vile, and that nobody should laugh at them.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 7, 2012 22:50:26 GMT -5
I think it depends on the kind of love potion at the same time though. I mean, from what we know, Amortentia is the strongest of its kind. So a milder version which works for an hour may produce different results in comparison to another. While I don't advocate love potions, we have to remember that the wizarding world viewed the milder kind as a joke. The twins were selling them in the prank shop.
That being said, when used upon someone who's already in love to further along the relationship... I can see it as changing the person's basic personality. Like making Harry start stalking Ginny and declaring his love, or making Ron go from arguing with Hermione to becoming really romantic to the point that it seems fake.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 7, 2012 22:50:36 GMT -5
I don't believe that love potion affects someone who is already in love. I was just stating that love potions are nasty and vile, and that nobody should laugh at them. I do believe it would have a effect. Ron was in love with Hermione for years but was way to nervous to make a move. However when Ron was affected by Fleur (who is sort of a walking love potion) and Romilda Vane (especially Romilda) he was very overt about his supposed feelings for her. If the potion only just made Ron in love with her (simulating what he feels for Hermione) then i don't think Ron would have had the confidence to approach her like he was going to. The fact Ron did have the confidence seems to suggest something else is going on as well. Does that make sense? |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 7, 2012 22:55:18 GMT -5
I thought you were mentioning love potions not having an effect if the potion is supposed to make a person love the one the potion's for. i.e. Harry and Ginny.
Harry and Ginny already love each other, so a potion designed to attract one to the other wouldn't work because those feelings are already there.
And yes, what you said makes sense.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 7, 2012 22:56:37 GMT -5
I was more wondering if Harry used a love potion on Ginny (or vise versa) would the one who has the love potion used on them become really overt about their feelings or would the love potion have almost no effect on them?
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 7, 2012 22:57:47 GMT -5
I feel that it would have no effect, because the feelings area already there.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 7, 2012 22:59:23 GMT -5
I think it alters the way the feelings are shown or substantially increases the rate at how the feelings are developing. On another note, can anyone suggest a good soul bond fic between Harry/Ginny, I'm kind of in the mood to find one worth reading.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 7, 2012 23:08:55 GMT -5
I think it alters the way the feelings are shown or substantially increases the rate at how the feelings are developing. On another note, can anyone suggest a good soul bond fic between Harry/Ginny, I'm kind of in the mood to find one worth reading. There are a tonne of them but i wouldn't call any of them good. I find stories where Harry and Ginny fall in love in 2nd year to be a bit weird personally (as is often the case with soul bond stories) especially as Harry barely noticed Ginny's existance until 4 years later. |
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Post by nightstar on Jul 8, 2012 0:19:11 GMT -5
No, I don't believe that theory at all. The potion was just a substance, after all. I doubt it truly had an effect on Tom as a baby. That was pure and utter bullshit. Dumbledore was just hiding his own faults by lying. After all, he dubbed Tom evil from day one, and never once tried to help him "see the light" or "find the good in him". When he discovered Tom's origins, he used it to further excuse himself. What about the fact that Dumbles was the one to go and get Tommy Boy and so knew what his life was like at the orphanage yet never did anything to help him? Then, think about how Dumbles manipulated Severus into setting himself up as a spy or never helping him with the bullying done by the Marauders. Dumbledore never helped Severus feel that his life was really worth much, especially with what happened after the almost losing it due to Sirius. He was also the one to insist that Harry be placed at the Dursleys then continued to send him back there. In Deathly Hallows after Harry lets himself be killed, Dumbledore admits to him that he kept turning down positions of power to stay at Hogwarts and still played with the lives of many like they were pieces on a chessboard. I'm not sure where or when I read something to the affect that, Dumbledore wanted Harry brought up in a similar environment to that of Tom so that Dumbledore could ease his guilt for not helping Tom. If Harry turned out the same as Tom then it was Dumble's fault for what Voldie did during his life, as the environment made the man. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 8, 2012 0:21:56 GMT -5
Yep, all of that is true too, Night.  And I think that idea is pretty good. I'd love to read something like it. |
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Post by nightstar on Jul 8, 2012 0:30:15 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. None of them should have been laughing about it. Love potions are the Wizarding World's rape drug! The fact that it's sold legally for the most part is awful! Too true!!!!! I think thee potions that the Weasley twins had in their story were probably tampered with to not have the desired effect and so not bad. In a since, the twins were making fun of love potions and those who used them. Stripping or altering the emotions of a living being is morally reprehensible. I understand the pills that help monitor actual rapists and those with documented mental disorders, but to willingly dose a sane person, Gah!  The same can be said of love potions in the HP!verse. It is the same as raping someone. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 8, 2012 0:32:26 GMT -5
Agreed, on all counts.
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Post by sherza on Jul 8, 2012 0:51:14 GMT -5
No, I don't believe that theory at all. The potion was just a substance, after all. I doubt it truly had an effect on Tom as a baby. That was pure and utter bullshit. Dumbledore was just hiding his own faults by lying. After all, he dubbed Tom evil from day one, and never once tried to help him "see the light" or "find the good in him". When he discovered Tom's origins, he used it to further excuse himself. What about the fact that Dumbles was the one to go and get Tommy Boy and so knew what his life was like at the orphanage yet never did anything to help him? Then, think about how Dumbles manipulated Severus into setting himself up as a spy or never helping him with the bullying done by the Marauders. Dumbledore never helped Severus feel that his life was really worth much, especially with what happened after the almost losing it due to Sirius. He was also the one to insist that Harry be placed at the Dursleys then continued to send him back there. In Deathly Hallows after Harry lets himself be killed, Dumbledore admits to him that he kept turning down positions of power to stay at Hogwarts and still played with the lives of many like they were pieces on a chessboard. I'm not sure where or when I read something to the affect that, Dumbledore wanted Harry brought up in a similar environment to that of Tom so that Dumbledore could ease his guilt for not helping Tom. If Harry turned out the same as Tom then it was Dumble's fault for what Voldie did during his life, as the environment made the man. I think I love you for this Seriously, sometimes I wonder how anyone can think Dumbledore is anything but a monster. The things he's done in the name of his nebulous 'greater good' are horrifying. |
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Post by nightstar on Jul 8, 2012 0:53:05 GMT -5
I am in the process of typing out the HP books so that I can do my own series of Reading the Stories. I'm not a huge Dumbledore fan or of Ron and Ginny. I'm kinda a slash fan, though I plan on my story not being slash as Harry will definitely be too young for those kindof thoughts.
I plan to use those ideas on my earlier postings and these here for my story when it starts being posted.
- I don't understand why Mrs. Weasley would have spoken out in a place full of muggles about the platform 9 3/4, she didn't do it the following year. What circumstances changed? They already had Harry with them.
- I'm borderline about Hermione and it really depends on how the story is written.
- I never understood how after Harry became a part of the wizarding world that Harry wasn't at least told about his fanmail. This way it would be up to him on what to do with it. Excuse me, there had to have been fanmail with him being The-Boy-Who-Lived.
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Post by brokenquill92 on Jul 8, 2012 0:55:13 GMT -5
I am in the process of typing out the HP books so that I can do my own series of Reading the Stories. I'm not a huge Dumbledore fan or of Ron and Ginny. I'm kinda a slash fan, though I plan on my story not being slash as Harry will definitely be too young for those kindof thoughts. I plan to use those ideas on my earlier postings and these here for my story when it starts being posted. - I don't understand why Mrs. Weasley would have spoken out in a place full of muggles about the platform 9 3/4, she didn't do it the following year. What circumstances changed? They already had Harry with them. I can email you the the books I've already copied and pasted - I'm borderline about Hermione and it really depends on how the story is written. - I never understood how after Harry became a part of the wizarding world that Harry wasn't at least told about his fanmail. This way it would be up to him on what to do with it. Excuse me, there had to have been fanmail with him being The-Boy-Who-Lived. |
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Post by nightstar on Jul 8, 2012 0:56:14 GMT -5
Thanks to both Sherza and Kuma in Pink for the understandings of my inner ramblings
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 8, 2012 0:57:41 GMT -5
You're welcome, though I don't really think I did anything... *chuckles*
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Post by nightstar on Jul 8, 2012 0:59:22 GMT -5
It's just nice to find people who understand you and the way you think
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 8, 2012 1:01:47 GMT -5
Yeah, that's true. *grins*
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Post by sherza on Jul 8, 2012 1:06:24 GMT -5
I am in the process of typing out the HP books so that I can do my own series of Reading the Stories. I'm not a huge Dumbledore fan or of Ron and Ginny. I'm kinda a slash fan, though I plan on my story not being slash as Harry will definitely be too young for those kindof thoughts. I plan to use those ideas on my earlier postings and these here for my story when it starts being posted. - I don't understand why Mrs. Weasley would have spoken out in a place full of muggles about the platform 9 3/4, she didn't do it the following year. What circumstances changed? They already had Harry with them. - I'm borderline about Hermione and it really depends on how the story is written. - I never understood how after Harry became a part of the wizarding world that Harry wasn't at least told about his fanmail. This way it would be up to him on what to do with it. Excuse me, there had to have been fanmail with him being The-Boy-Who-Lived. Just to add to the paranoia fuel ... 1) Molly and her brothers all went to Hogwarts, as did all Molly's children. Yet she needed to ask what the platform number was? Whut? 2) Not only wasn't Harry told about his fanmail, he wasn't told about his family! The Potters are an old pureblood family, which if nothing else implies family traditions that an orphan would LOVE to know about. Depending on what else you believe about the wizarding world and how it (and pureblood families) work, it can also mean loads of money and property, political clout out the ying-yang, not to mention titles of varying kinds, and any of a number of responsibilities that 'nobility' of various ranks undertakes in Real Life that might transfer to the magical realm. 3) He was never explicitly informed that he has relatives in the magical world. Granted they're cousins and further out, but still, relatives. I know that Sirius mentioned that most purebloods are inter-related, but that isn't the same as saying 'Oh, by the way ... Arthur Weasley? Is your second cousin twice removed' (or whatever relation Arthur is to Harry, considering he's the son of a Black). This is, again, something an orphan would dearly like to know. |
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 8, 2012 1:08:30 GMT -5
Other than the Weasley's most magical familes only seemed to have one or two children so it is quite possible that Harry might not have any magical blood relatives (at least not close enough to make it even worth noting).
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And I think that idea is pretty good. I'd love to read something like it. 
