How Tall is Harry?

[Kaiserin]

OK I saw this and I just had to share. I think this goes with old Wrinkly oh to well. someone with it might have good intentions but their personality gets in the way.


Risk factors for narcissistic personality disorder may include:
Parental disdain for fears and needs expressed during childhood
Lack of affection and praise during childhood
Neglect and emotional abuse in childhood
Excessive praise and overindulgence
Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents
Learning manipulative behaviors from parents

Children who learn from their parents that vulnerability is unacceptable may lose their ability to empathize with others' needs. They may also mask their emotional needs with grandiose, egotistical behavior that's calculated to make them seem emotionally "bulletproof."

[Kitty279]

Sounds very like someone who we all know, yes! Good find!

But to me it seems she couldn't make up her mind about the number of students in Hogwarts, either.

[physicssquid]

I'm not sure she could. I think she originally wanted about a thousand, but there are only seven years, four houses, and the total number of Slytherins and Gryffindors in Harry's year was seventeen. I'm just going out on a limb and will say that there are probably no more than two hundred at the most.

[Kitty279]

Yeah, but somewhere during a Quidditch match I believe she talked about 200 people in green robes in the stands or something like that. And there I thought I was bad in math!

[chikina]

In some inteview she said that: "There are about a thousand students at Hogwarts." But if you imagine a class where are two houses together then you have something like 70 students. That's crazy. And in Harry's year we met just 5 boys and 3 girls (even if I am sure that there are two other girls).
But Rowling always admitted that she was pretty bad at Math so I guess I will stick to her word and books. Hogwarts is, after all, one of the biggest European magical schools.

[Kitty279]

But her word and her books aren't exactly in agreement. A class of 70 magical children? No teacher could control that. And JKR would have to mention a few more, IMO, if there were more. I never got the impression that the class was that large.

[Dimcairien]

According to Pottermore, there are supposed to be forty students in Harry's year, but we don't find out all of the names. And when you multiply forty by seven, you got 280. So considering the fact that some years might have more students and others less, I'd guess there are somewhere between 250-300 students there.

[Kitty279]

Sounds more believable than a thousand, yes.

[ykickamoocow]

It is not ever mentioned in the books but there are actually 5 girls in Gryffindor in Harry's year. There is obvious Hermione, Lavender and Pavarti but there are 2 other female students that are never mentioned but do exist

Here we go

harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Fay_Dunbar

and

harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Kellah

JKR has mentioned somewhere about Hermione having 4 dorm mates but her only mentioning 2 of them.

[ykickamoocow]

Also

harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Gryffindor_girls

harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Gryffindor_girl_(VI)

harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Gryffindor_girl_(VII)

[Silvertongue]

I feel like all the people in Harry's year should have been mentioned, and if not the whole year then at least the ones in his house. It seems beyond ridiculous that he'd never even learn their names and notice them sitting in the common room in ONE scene.

[ykickamoocow]

JKR does confirm in at least one interview (though i can't remember where) that there are 5 Gryffindor girls in Harry's year.

[physicssquid]

It seems odd that he wouldn't see them in class, or end up sitting next to one of them for a lesson, if Ron and Hermione wanted to sit together.

[Silvertongue]

Or just notice them working on something in the common room like he does Fred and George a lot. I'm assuming they're best friends here, or at least work on homework together.

[ykickamoocow]

I found a mention of it

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MA: Yeah. Have you discovered the two missing Gryffindor students?

JKR: [Covers eyes] Ohh! [Frustrated] I was going to go and get that for you, I'm sorry I haven't got it, I'll put it on my site.
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www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml

and

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Adele: Who are the two "unknown Gryffindor girls" in Harry's year?

JK Rowling replies -> Oh, I've just understood what you mean. I haven't got the notebook to hand and I can't remember! That's terrible. I'll try and remember before the end of the chat!
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Though i don't have a link to that interview.

[Kitty279]

She may have planned to include them, but to me she didn't. I mean, they don't need to play a huge role, but why did she not at least mention them in passing now and then? It's not as if there were 50 Gryffindors in Harry's year and it was impossible to include them all.

[viralic1]

That's what I don't understand. It's not hard to give someone a name, and mention them every once in a while. How hard is it to write:

"He nodded his head to Kellah as he walked by."

It mentions her name, and keeps her in the story.

[ykickamoocow]

This is not my post as i stole it from another forum but

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Two Unidentified Gryffindor Girls
This intriguing piece of deduction was done by Jeralyn, the Voicelady on HP4GU. She writes:

The standard wisdom among fans is that if Hermione, Lavender, and Parvati had another roommate, we would have heard something about her by now.

Actually, I have figured out that there are two more Gryffindor girls in their year that we haven't been introduced to yet.

I've been rereading PA... (a)nd the scene with Lupin and the boggart in the wardrobe is very telling. Lupin wants all the students to have a go, and the scene runs as follows:

1. Neville - Snape in Gran's dress and hat
2. Parvati - the mummy
3. Seamus - the banshee
4. unidentified female student - rat
5. unidentified female student - rattlesnake
6. unidentified female student - eyeball
7. Dean - hand
8. Ron - spider

Then Lupin calls it back before Harry has to deal with it, and sends it to Neville to finish it off. Harry and Hermione didn't have to work with it, because they answered the questions correctly at the beginning of the class.

Now we know that Lavender was one of those unidentifed students. We also know that there are definitely only five boys in Harry's dorm room, so that's how I knew that the two remaining students were girls.

Ta-da!

EDITOR'S NOTE:
This isn't conclusive proof of anything, of course, but it's a nice bit of deduction and just might turn out to be true! Another perfectly reasonable explanation, of course, is that the boggart was getting confused and was changing form at random. -- Steve Vander Ark

A suggestive bit of evidence against this theory is that every known Gryffindor - all three girls and eventually all five boys - belonged to the D.A., as well as the entire Gryffindor Quidditch team, every non-Slytherin prefect in Hermione's and Ron's year, and even including the close friends of various members' current boyfriends and girlfriends. Everybody, in other words, who was thought to be a likely candidate for membership, and we know all the members - and no extra Gryffindor girls are among them. -- MLW
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www.potterforums.com/about38180.html&highlight=

[kumainpink]

I knew about the two girls because of my research for Hogwarts United. Oh man, the things I had to look up in order to make a chapter flow! *laughs* I used this opening to put Fay Dunbar in.

[Silvertongue]

That is VERY interesting! That person was very perceptive. I never pick up on details like that.

[Kitty279]

So it's just sloppy work that she never even bothered to mention any other Gryffindors in that year?

[Silvertongue]

Probably. A lot of it seems to be down to sloppy work.

[Guest]

I do imagine Harry being at least 6 foot or a little over. In the book, it describes James to be tall, and then Harry to be his dad's height in Deathly Hallows. And although it describes him to be small in the beginning, later on in OotP it describes him to have the sort of unhealthy look of someone who has grown a lot in a short period of time.

[RandomPasserby]

I have to admit, at least a little bit due to wish fulfillment, I tend to put Harry over 6 foot as an adult.

Admittedly, the only thing I've written him in where he actually gets to full adulthood (guys can keep growing past seventeen/eighteen amazingly) he hasn't been malnourished since he was about four so it's understandable that he could reach that height.

Otherwise I just justify it as Potter men being late bloomers and Weasley men being early ones.

Ron's like a guy I know who was about 6'4 by the time he was 14. Stopped growing shortly thereafter.

Harry's like an old uni housemate of mine who grew about 6 inches during our first year at uni. He'd been tiny for ages, just started growing in Year 11, grown a bit more during college and then shot up like somebody had given him steroids once he got to university.

We joked that it was all the alcohol he was drinking.

[physicssquid]

Jun 10, 2014 4:01:04 GMT -5 RandomPasserby said:

Otherwise I just justify it as Potter men being late bloomers and Weasley men being early ones.

Unfortunately, while I like the idea that Potter males don't reach their full adult height until later in their teens, and Weasley males are the opposite, I don't think we can easily say that that is the truth. We would need more evidence to support that theory, such as what the other Potter males looked like when they were growing. We know what James looked like at fifteen and twenty-one, and have a vague description of him at eleven, but what about at other times in his life, and what about Charlus Potter, Charlus Potter's son, James' father, and all the other Potter males over the however many centuries or decades the Potter family has been extant. We don't even get good descriptions of Harry's sons, James II and Albus.

[RandomPasserby]

Pfft, when has canon (or lack thereof) ever stopped us?

[Kitty279]

Exactly. And besides, we all know that canon isn't much help anyway in many cases, what with JKR contradicting herself or not doing her research properly.

Just for the record, I love the idea of Harry being tall, too

[fantasy]

Just for the record, I love the idea of Harry being tall, too

I do too, but that might just be because I like tall men in general.

[RandomPasserby]

*cough* That might be part of my reasoning as well.

Then again, my headcanon is that both Charlus and Dorea were tall (also, for some reason, Charlus is blond) and I ship them way more than I should for two characters who never appear anywhere in the series.

[Kitty279]

So that's three of us, that should be enough to make it canon, lol. After all, I've seen reviewers bitch because someone did not use Charlus and Dorea or Dan and Emma for the parents of James or Hermione - and that was never canon to begin with, but seeing it in fanon often enough seems to make it true

Seeing that JKR forgot to tell us anything useful about Harry's family to begin with, we are allowed to have our own headcanon. Personally, I don't even see Charlus and Dorea as James' parents, but I like my own version of them as much as most canon characters.