What Do You Think About Good Malfoys

[mountaingirl777]

I've seen a couple of fics where the writer has made the Malfoys as being on the light side, either from the very start (not being Death Eaters at all) or they somehow reform to the lightside.

I actually think it is an interesting concept, show what could have happened if they were on the good side. It is also a little bit creepy.

I think the best one that I have read, I can't remember what the name is, was where Lucius, Draco and Severus take care of Hermione (I believe it is after the war because she has nightmares) and Arthur also helps along with Harry, the Twins, Bill, Charlie, Blaise and Draco. There is Ron, Molly and Ginny bashing. It is one of those stories where the theory of Ginny and Ron using love potions to get Harry and Hermione is used.
There also is Unexpected Relationships by Angel N Darkness. It is pretty good, though another Hermione abuse one.

[blackroses77]

I love good Malfoys fics, there really aren't enough of them. Even if it's only Draco and one of his parents that are good. Slayer of Destiny writes wonderful good Malfoy stories and Fifth House by Ky is really good to. Both are slash though and I know that isn't for everyone. There are more but like I said not nearly enough.

[lucyolsen]

I read a story where Narcissa and Draco and Draco's daughter, along with Harry, all ended up living in Harry's bedroom at the Dursley's, since it was the only place that was safe.

[kumainpink]

While it doesn't really adhere to cannon, I love reading them. It's a great take on them as characters, though I still love to hate Lucius. >=[

[Kitty279]

Mostly avoiding these stories, as I can't stand the Malfoys and always thought they got off way too lightly in canon. Narcissa lying once out of selfishness seems to have gotten all three off - and we can be reasonably sure Lucius was a murderer. It annoyed me - these people get off with a slap on the wrist, the good guys got the death sentence.

So, I find it hard to imagine them on the good side, or read about it. It is an interesting concept, yes, just not my cup of tea.

[angelty]

Jun 17, 2012 1:09:01 GMT -5 kumainpink said:

While it doesn't really adhere to cannon, I love reading them. It's a great take on them as characters, though I still love to hate Lucius. >=[

Me too

[sherza]

I can see it for Narcissa and Draco ... Draco definitely did NOT like what he'd been required to do (lest his parents be killed) when he became a DE, so I could see him getting some sense knocked into him and changing sides. By the same logic, I can see Narcissa following him, because her sole concern, moreso than Lucius, was her son's welfare, and I can see her being convinced that Draco becoming a DE would be a baaaaaaaaaad thing, and to save him, she'd have to switch sides.

Lucius on the other hand? Is an unrepentant complete monster. This is the guy that gave a horcrux to a child. A horcrux that could, and did, command a basilisk that endangered his own child as well as every child in the castle. Yeah ... unredeemable.

[kumainpink]

Is it any wonder that many write Lucius as an abusive father?

[Kitty279]

Well said, Sherza.

Draco may have been redeemable, but he was such a spoiled brat and bully that I can't stand him. Sure, it was the influence of his father and how he was raised, but he was still a nasty git who had the guts to insult others, but ran to Daddy the moment others retaliated.

[sherza]

Oh, I completely agree, kitty. Draco was a whiny, obnoxious, mouthy prat of a daddy's boy pretty much to the very end in canon, and is pretty dislikable.

It'd take something major to knock sense into him, and actual WORK to improve him ... something, sadly, that is missing from most fics that go this route. They mostly go 'Dracoisgood ... now let the Draco/Harry smexxings begin!'

Worse, the idiots that pull this, generally pull it in like, fourth or fifth year. Out of /nowhere/. Now ... why in the name of heck would Harry, even IF he was gay, want anything to do with Draco at that late date?

[Kitty279]

Exactly! There might something happen to give him the wake-up call before it's too late, but when it comes out of nowhere? And after everything that happened between over the years? Must be the 'Tom Felton is cute, so let's make him Harry's lover' syndrome.

[Silvertongue]

I like to read Good Malfoy fics, but I also like to read them as bad. I can read: abusive Lucius or loving Lucius, loveing relationship between him and Narcissa or them living in separate rooms and having affairs, loving Narcisaa or evil bitch. I don't mind them however they are.

Also, in canon, we don't know that any of them got off. All we know is that if Draco was put away, it was only for a few years.

[blackroses77]

Yes in canon Lucius was an unrepentant monster with his only redeeming feature being his love for his family, I was always dissapointed with the end of DH 2 where it shows Narcissa and Draco walking away and Lucius studiply and cowardly running after them I wish they had kept it true to the book with Narcissa and Lucius running through the school searching for Draco instead of fighting. Putting their son above their beliefs. But anyway I agree with Silvertongue about how they are portrayed in stories though I enjoy the good malfoy stories better. The way I see it good Lucius is possible because any story with a good Lucius is an AU and in an AU anything is possible which is why they are my favorites, I like them moreso than stories that stick to canon characterizations.

[Silvertongue]

Jun 17, 2012 12:34:39 GMT -5 blackroses77 said:

Yes in canon Lucius was an unrepentant monster with his only redeeming feature being his love for his family, I was always dissapointed with the end of DH 2 where it shows Narcissa and Draco walking away and Lucius studiply and cowardly running after them I wish they had kept it true to the book with Narcissa and Lucius running through the school searching for Draco instead of fighting. Putting their son above their beliefs. But anyway I agree with Silvertongue about how they are portrayed in stories though I enjoy the good malfoy stories better. The way I see it good Lucius is possible because any story with a good Lucius is an AU and in an AU anything is possible which is why they are my favorites, I like them moreso than stories that stick to canon characterizations.

Definitely agree on the AU points. I don't see the point in reading fanfiction if you're only going to stick to canon. There isn't all that much you can do with that. I like reading about it so they CAN get in these 'What if' situations. 'What if' the Malfoys changed sides or were spies all along? 'What if' Lily forgave Snape and he decided against joining Voldemort. 'What if' Harry was dark and became a Death Eater himself. It's what I read it for. Canon is boring, we know all that stuff.

[blackroses77]

You hit the nail on the head Silvertongue, it's all about the 'What if's'. If I want canon I'll reread the books. I want to read all the different possibilities.

[G. Novella]

I love Narcissa, I really have no idea why. Maybe because she stands up to Bellatrix for her family, maybe because she's as cunning as any good Slytherin in the way she orchestrated that thing, I don't knkw, I just love Narcissa, Draco...I feel like people forgive him too easily after seeing Tom Felton as a hot guy. Draco was first a coward, and then he grew up, but he had a long way to go in growing up so why people think he can get along with the light side before he grew up, I'm not sure. But I can never forgive Lucius Malfoy. Any man who can put a school full of children in danger just so a law doesn't get passed... I hate him. And very few good lucius fics will I read, and they need to be very well done for me to read.

[Kitty279]

Here I have to pretty much agree with you, gnovella. While I not exactly like Narcissa, I am more neutral towards her. Draco and Lucius, however - there I feel exactly what you said. Sure, Draco grew up with Lucius as his father and his beliefs, but still, the way he makes fun of others for being orphans or poor and all that other stuff is just a bit too much to find him 'cute', as so many seem to do now. As for Lucius - chuck him into Azkaban for life! We may not get to see it, but I am pretty sure he has killed in his career as Death Eater. And how many people died because he paid the Minister to turn the other way and ignore Voldemort's return? How am I supposed to believe he's a good guy?

Sometimes I wonder how that would be now if there were no movies or the actor less hot ...

[Silvertongue]

I like to read about how Draco would be if Harry got to him earlier and actually pointed out everything wrong in Draco's views and told him his and see how that pans out. Or when they met before they even get to Hogwarts, like when they're six maybe. I also like fics where he DOES grow up earlier and asks for help from the light side because he can't handle the pressure. Fics that start at the HBP bathroom scene, while cliché, I find enjoyable when they are written well and aren't just the one chapter.

Narcissa, I loved the scene with her ignoring what Bellatrix says. That shows she truly loves her family. She may not do the right things but what she does is to protect her family and I respect that. She must have a bit of a lioness in her as well, lying to the Dark Lord like that at such a pivotal point in the battle, just so she could go and make sure her son was okay, when the battle could have gone either way and if Voldemort won, she'd probably be the first to be called traitor and killed.

Lucius... I don't think canon Lucius could ever be redeemed. I doubt he had ANY remorse for anything he ever did, though I don't think he knew exactly what he was doing with the diary, he still knew that students were being petrified and tried to get rid of the man who might be able to stop it. However, I still enjoy the "What if" he defected fics. Just like I like to read "What if" Harry was a mass murderer who held no remorse for it and would gladly kill his own 'best friends'. I'm up for anyone being 'good' and anyone 'being bad'. Like I said before, I read for absolute fanon, no canon.

[MaraudersFTW]

I like Malfoy's on the good side but not Good!Malfoy's simply because they're set in their ways (the elder ones anyways) of thinking. I'm not saying people can't change but that change doesn't happen overnight and perhaps even not over the course of a year (maybe a time limit for could be a year at the very least but certainly not his parents). They're beyond set in their blood status and and their 'supremacy' to ever give a damn about people like the Weasleys and Hermione.

I can see them on the good for purely selfish reasons but never really integrating with those they can not use to upgrade themselves. That's why I can see them on friendly terms with Harry Potter (rich, respected pureblood heritage from one side and the chosen boy etc.) but never 'lowering' themselves to give a damn about those of lower status.

Overall I like my good Malfoy's to still be their bastardly, cowardly and racist selves because otherwise they would just be too ooc. I don't mind if they perhaps slowly stop being up themselves but I certainly can't read a fic with Narcissa and Molly being bff's even if it's a hundred years later.

[blackroses77]

I just know I love good Malfoys and there aren't enough good malfoy stories out there. And there most especially aren't enough RtB stories with good malfoy's

[G. Novella]

See, Kitty, that's what I wonder to. If there had been no movie, most idiots would be forced to actually read the books, and realize, oh my god, Draco is the most annoying foul whiny little boy on the planet earth, and needs to be spanked hard by life.

Unfortunately, the movies exist, and Draco was played by a decently attractive actor (Not into Tom Felton that much). This gives rabid fan girls some skewed idea that Draco is thus a good guy, and must be made into one as quickly as possible in their fics. I agree that he eventually realized the error of the Death Eater way and why things were bad, but who's to say he would have if Lucius hadn't been such a fuck-up and had retained power with the Death Eaters?

I mean, think about it. If Lucius hadn't screwed things over in OOTP, Draco wouldn't have any need to become a Death Eater in sixth, or even if he had, ol' Daddy-o would be right in his ear, telling him to off next, and what death trap to lay where. Who's to say with Daddy dearest right by him, Draco wouldn't have become an even more sinister character than just a bratty kid? And since Draco would succeed in either a) Bringing Death Eaters into Hogwarts, or b) assassinating Dumbledore via some obscure method, Lucius would cash in onto Draco' s success even more and bada-bam, the two are Voldemort's new BFFs. I can see Draco maybe not enjoying his new life, and even becoming depressed, but that doesn't change the fact that he'd go along with it like the coward he always was.

Lucius is a terrible man, and I won't change my views on it.

However, I do tend to enjoy stories where two out of three Malfoys become good (if the Author sticks to the theme, then whatever, Lucius can go for the ride), I just prefer them to be believable and not, oh my god, look, Harry, I'm good, have sexy time with me!

[Kitty279]

Couldn't agree more

You are probably right about Draco. He got cold feet when he had to fulfill an impossible task while Daddy was in prison and suddenly it wasn't as much fun as it seemed to be to bear the Dark Mark. I guess it was the first time in his life that he had to accomplish something without Daddy Dearest hovering over his shoulder and taking care of all his mistakes so little Draco doesn't have to learn that there are consequences for whatever he does. And yes, Draco would go along with it if his Daddy stayed in Moldyshort's good graces and he'd profit from it.

As for Lucy, I'm the last one to try and tell her to change your mind - because I completely agree. Hope he is now inhabiting Sirius's old cell. Maybe they could keep a Dementor or two, just for him ... O:-)

Yeah, I tried very few stories I tried where Draco isn't totally bad, and even fewer took the time to find a believable way to make him look good. The change of heart overnight because he's so hot doesn't work for me, not that I don't appreciate a handsome face, but I go for character, not for looks.

[G. Novella]

Exactly. Draco grew up because Lucius wasn't around for once, and he wasn't reaping benefits. I think he'd have been a different person if he'd not had Lucius's influence around him and protection. Narcissa would have spoiled him, but she'd make him cool and aloof and distant, not an in your face brat.

The Dementors can stay in the cell with him for all I care :@

Exactly. Who cares if a guy's fabulously hot, if he's an utter d-bag, than what's the point? If you're going to make Malfoy a good guy, you need to do it in such a way that it flows well and creates a believable story.

[Kitty279]

Re-reading my last post - grrr, I see at least two mistakes. Shouldn't post at work when I'm not really having time! Not to mention re-read the whole sentence when I change something ...

It was really a bad mix for Draco - his father such a monster, his mother spoiled him too much, Snape allowed him to get away with everything, and Dumbledore was so busy saving him that he forgot about the rest of the school in the process, as well as the fact that allowing him free rein won't do much to teach him right from wrong. Way to ruin a child! If he'd not be such a git, I could nearly feel sorry for him. But only nearly, he's too much of a brat.

[G. Novella]

I think you summed it up nicely there Kitty. The only thing I can add is that because of all the pureblood propaganda, Narcissa and Lucius probably couldn't even have a second child to somewhat straighten Malfoy out and give him some responsibility. That, and his friend choices led him to think he was some kingly fellow when he needed friend who's smack him around the head a bit.

And as for posting typos, I do that all the time because I type mostly from my ipod, and those keyboards aren't easy to use and then the damned auto-correct tries to edit my already messed up words! Grr.

[Kitty279]

Not sure it's because of propaganda that Draco's an only child. Voldemort would want more cannon fodder, and the purebloods need to make sure they have enough kids to interbred, right? Always suspected they might have some problems to conceive in the first place due to inbreeding. That doesn't exactly lead to much fertility, after all.

Argh, autocorrect should be forbidden! Can't switch that off on AIM for good, but have to do it for every single conversation and always forget. Which means that stupid thing keeps changing my British English to American English and somegimes German words into English ones *bangs head*. So I know perfectly well what you mean.

[G. Novella]

That's what I meant, the inbreeding due to propaganda caused fertility issues. I'm guessing it's why Narcissa was more attached to Draco than anything. I mean, she did everything in her life for her son from what we see, and I can guess that if she married Lucius young, like nineteenish as customary for the Wizard World, then she must have miscarried once or twice, (assuming she's the close in age to Molly).

I hate that it tries to guess my words. When I try and type words to my mum like names and places and such, it tries to 'fix' my words! I want to smash things when that happens :@

[kumainpink]

The auto-correct is like Dumbledore: It thinks it knows best. For the Greater Good, of course. *snickers*

[G. Novella]

*Snorts* Someone really needs to curb it. Turn it into a spell-checker, not a main decider.

[Kitty279]

According to the Black Family Tree, Narcissa's born 1955, so she is 5 years older than Lily and the Marauders. If she married with 19, that was 1974, and Draco was born 1980. So that theory is entirely possible.

ROFL - nice comparison, Pinky!