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Post by kumainpink on Jun 19, 2012 11:28:33 GMT -5
*bows* Why thank you, dear Kitty! And what is it with the nickname Pinky? First Phoenix, now you! *laughs*
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 19, 2012 11:32:23 GMT -5
Well, at first I used Kuma, but then I saw always Pinky and never Kuma, so ... but I can go back to Kuma  |
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 19, 2012 11:37:59 GMT -5
Haha call me whatever you want! I was just curious! |
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 19, 2012 21:44:49 GMT -5
According to the Black Family Tree, Narcissa's born 1955, so she is 5 years older than Lily and the Marauders. If she married with 19, that was 1974, and Draco was born 1980. So that theory is entirely possible. That's why I think she becomes a little wee bit obsessive in regards to her son. I really wish we learn more about her too in Pottermore, actually, any Black would be fun to learn about, they're all so interesting |
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Post by sherza on Jun 19, 2012 21:57:16 GMT -5
The interbreeding causing a lack of fertility thing is more or less canon.
Think about it. How many known pureblood families can you name that had two or more children?
Blacks (Bella/Ady/Cissa, Sirius/Regulus)
Lestrange (Rodolphus and Rabastan)
Carrows (Alecto and Amycus)
Greengrass (Daphne and Astoria)
Weasleys (Pretty much the entire clan. Arthur had two brothers, Molly had seven kids, etc)
Everyone else? One kid. Or none (Bellatrix). And most of them showing other signs of inbreeding. The canon Malfoy paleness? Possibly a type of albinism. The Blacks as a whole are rather a bit ... ummm ... less than sane. Most of the other purebloods are described as a rather ugly-looking lot, which, while it could have been Harry's prejudice, could also have been due to issues caused by inbreeding.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 19, 2012 22:02:42 GMT -5
I've always knew that the interbreeding messed with them, and it really shows in their characters. Especially with the "Black Madness" and the classic Malfoy looks.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 20, 2012 0:37:30 GMT -5
Would be interesting to watch the outcome if they continued down the road they were on. Give it two or three more genereations, and the purebloods have breed themselves out of existence and leave the world to the Halfbloods and Muggleborns *eg*
The Blacks *were* insane, nearly all of them. And the sane ones were mostly thrown out of the family - Cedrella, Alphard, Andromeda, Sirius ...
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Post by sherza on Jun 20, 2012 0:49:24 GMT -5
And Sirius is a borderline case. (pre-Azkaban). He didn't seem to really have that whole 'common sense/cause-and-effect' thing figured out, at the very least, given some of his decision making when he was younger.
But yeah, give them a couple generations, and they'll breed themselves into nonexistence. Unfortunately, since insanity tends to become more and more common the more you inbreed, the chances of them taking the entire British wizarding world with them when they go rises, thanks to them pulling some braindead stunt that exposes the Wizarding world and/or makes them a target for Muggle militaries.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 20, 2012 1:08:19 GMT -5
Ok, ok, let me rephrase: Every halfway sane one was thrown out ... though I wouldn't equal 'common sense' with 'sane' anyway. There are enough people who are sane and still haven't an ounce of common sense. I'd rather describe Sirius as a bit hot-headed and impulsive.
Sadly, you have a point there. About time these bigots are taken down, then.
You know, the funny thing is that they wouldn't even be able to fathom that the Muggles could pose a threat. They'd think their magic makes them invincible, and as they refuse to pay attention to the nonmagical world, they don't have any idea about the possibilities of Muggle weapons.
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Post by sherza on Jun 20, 2012 1:40:37 GMT -5
Oh, I agree that the not-nuts Blacks got tossed out on their ears.
And I know that being insane is different than not having common sense, but not having common sense IS one of the symptoms of being insane, hence me saying Sirius is a borderline case. He could just have common sense/hothead issues, or it could be a mild form of insanity. The good knows we'll never know for sure, as trying to figure it out with the few examples of his pre-Azkaban behavior we've got is impossible.
Tell me about it! It would be hysterically funny to take some of them (sans wands) to a military firing range and let them watch what Muggle weapons can really do. Their faces would be priceless.
Though they MAY, in some regards, have a point. I dunno if JKR's ever said if a magical shield/ward would stand up to Muggle weaponry, and if so, just how heavy-duty you'd have to go, but we sure don't see anything in the books about it. Would make for an interesting test.
Would also be interesting as hell to see if our satellites can 'see' their settlements (either as suspiciously blank spots on the ground or actually see the buildings and people).
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 20, 2012 1:59:52 GMT -5
It's hard to say, yes. But I'd say, considering that he spent 12 years in that hellhole, he was still amazingly sane, so I am inclined to suppose that he wasn't that bad before Azkaban.
That are questions I have been wondering about, too. Particularly as I believe that bullets are faster than spells - would they get their shields up fast enough to protect themselves? Could they, if they can hold bullets off, withstand a machine gun? And I doubt their shields could stand up to bombs.
Oh yes. The wizards would probably have a harder time to confound the satellites and other cameras. Save a muggleborn who knows what they are comes up with something to confuse them. I mean, wards may be designed to repell muggles and let the electronics go haywire, but at that distance I doubt it would work. Ha, that would really be interesting to know.
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Post by sherza on Jun 20, 2012 2:40:26 GMT -5
I agree that bombs would probably get through ... basically, anything a plane, ship/submarine or tank carries/drops or nastier (some of the nastier missiles are in ground emplacements after all (nuclear silos and the like), would either have a damn good shot at going through the wards around a building or slice through them like butter ... or if they, for some reason, did not ... well, we'd get to see if wards could handle mass amounts of supersonic shrapnel and/or radiation, then, wouldn't we?
On a personal level ... it'd depend entirely on the wizard, I think. First, they'd have to comprehend what a gun is, and what seeing one leveled at you *means* (most purebloods are toast on this one alone). Then, they'd have to be quick on the draw (unlikely, but possible. Aurors and the like would be ok on this one for the most part) and third ... magically strong. I imagine someone like Dumbledore would have more luck protecting himself from gunfire (even sans Elder Wand) than Joe-Blow down the street, since he seems to be a magical powerhouse.
That is, of course, if shields stop bullets at all.
Of course, THAT said, if someone was bright enough to conjure up a metal wall instead of a plain old energy shield, they'd be good to go if they were fast enough on the draw.
Edited to add: It would also depend on the situation, on a personal level. If you've got two people with their weapons holstered (gun and wand), the time it takes to draw, aim, and fire would be roughly equal ... the incantation might be longer, but wizards don't have to line a person up in their sights to get an accurate shot, either ... the 'bullet' of magic is far larger than a muggle bullet, which makes hitting someone easier.
But if the muggle's already got the gun up and aimed, the wizard is toast, no matter who they are. There'd be no time.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 20, 2012 2:53:13 GMT -5
This makes me want to see a war against Wizards and Muggles...
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 20, 2012 3:17:38 GMT -5
Sounds right to me, Sherza!
Kuma, be careful what you say. I don't want my Sirius or Harry to get hurt!!
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 20, 2012 3:22:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't want them hurt either...but still, it would be cool!  |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 20, 2012 3:33:26 GMT -5
When you concentrate on the pureblood bigots, yes. Can't you imagine their faces when they find out that they don't have the foggiest how to defend against muggle weapons? That the scum they wanted destroyed is able to destroy them in one big stroke?
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Post by sherza on Jun 20, 2012 3:56:12 GMT -5
I find the mental picture of the look on Lucius, Bellatrix, and Umbrige's faces to be particularly satisfying, myself. *evil grin*. Man, it'd be epic. Somehow, I think all three of them would throw rather epic tantrums when they found out.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 20, 2012 4:00:06 GMT -5
*snicker* Yeah, totally love that idea ;D
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 20, 2012 4:15:16 GMT -5
Same here! If only, if only, the woodpecker sighs! The bark on the tree were as soft as the skies! The wolf waits below, hungry and lonely! He cries to the moon, if only if only! |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 20, 2012 4:45:22 GMT -5
A story I am following right now goes a bit into that direction - there Harry left the magical world. In the sequel, he's been elected PM, surrounded by a magical staff mostly made up of people who got to struggle with the prejudices of the magical world - Hermione, Luna, Dean ... He's just putting the thumbscrews on the magical world to solve their Voldemort problem. Rather amusing to see particularly the MOB floundering *eg*
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 20, 2012 5:56:36 GMT -5
Link me to that story, please? :3
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 20, 2012 6:21:46 GMT -5
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 20, 2012 6:26:24 GMT -5
YAY! Thanks! |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 20, 2012 6:35:35 GMT -5
You're welcome! Enjoy the reading!
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 20, 2012 7:14:16 GMT -5
I just finished it all so far! This is freaking awesome, and even better than I thought it would be so far! WOOT! GO Harry!
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 20, 2012 7:25:59 GMT -5
And particularly knowing that Dumbledore was involved in the planning and actually helped Voldemort along ... that's going to go down well! Ha!
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 20, 2012 7:30:59 GMT -5
I'm nearly frothing at the mouth in anticipation of Dumbledore getting his just rewards... *insane cackle*
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Post by Ithiarel on Jun 20, 2012 8:19:11 GMT -5
If you like that, maybe this one is something for you, too: www.fanfiction.net/s/3011501/1/UNIT_Night_Wolf_BeginningsIt's a crossover between Dr. Who and HP, but it soon evolves into an AU merging, based on the premise of a UNIT group exploring magic through hiring up a bunch of werewolfs, squibs and other various outcasts of Wizarding Britain. I remember, I had lots of fun reading it.  |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 20, 2012 9:58:38 GMT -5
Might give it a try later, though I don't know Dr. Who Thanks! |
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Post by lauren on Jun 21, 2012 10:09:00 GMT -5
I can see it for Narcissa and Draco ... Draco definitely did NOT like what he'd been required to do (lest his parents be killed) when he became a DE, so I could see him getting some sense knocked into him and changing sides. By the same logic, I can see Narcissa following him, because her sole concern, moreso than Lucius, was her son's welfare, and I can see her being convinced that Draco becoming a DE would be a baaaaaaaaaad thing, and to save him, she'd have to switch sides. Lucius on the other hand? Is an unrepentant complete monster. This is the guy that gave a horcrux to a child. A horcrux that could, and did, command a basilisk that endangered his own child as well as every child in the castle. Yeah ... unredeemable. See. I don't agree with that. While I agree he was a monster for what he all did (and I love the malfoys mind you). He DID care for Draco and his wife and I believe he would do anything he could do for them. Running through the castle looking for Draco in the books proved that. You can say A LOT of things about Lucius, but you can't say he doesn't care about his family. His family obviously takes priority over Voldemort's plans. Now, I'm not saying he can be redeemed, as I'm not sure he could. However, His family was obviously more important to him than whatever 'his lord' had planned. Even if Lucius' wand was destroyed he could have gotten a second one (like Bellatrix did) to use during the battle, but he didn't (even if he already did have that second wand, which he would obviously have to get, or have gotten at some point). |
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