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Post by OculisCaeruleis on Jul 13, 2012 12:12:06 GMT -5
In a Muggle vs Wizard war, who do you think would win and why?
Let's set the hypothetical situation:
The magical community has, somehow or other, been expsosed and now the two (magical and muggle) are at war.
The pureblood population is already low and very ignorant towards muggles, as per canon HP.
Many halfbloods understandably can't/refuse to choose sides, muggleborns (especially recently-introduced ones) do not want to have to go against their friends and family, and squibs are neither accepted in the wizarding world nor settled in the muggle world.
Thoughts, anyone?
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 13, 2012 12:31:00 GMT -5
The Muggles would win:-
- They outnumber wizards by quite a lot, and have weapons that can do more damage than many spells.
- Wizards wouldn't be able to cope with using muggle weapons, so they wouldn't have as many things to use, and their shields probably wouldn't work against bullets or projectile weapons.
- Most guns are unaffected by magical inteference, so there would be no way to stop them working, not without taking them apart, which only a few of those who grew up in the Muggle world would know how to do, and they would only know that if their families had had anything to do with either of the two world wars or the Gulf war.
- Nuclear weapons might be dropped on various places in the wizarding world, such as Diagon Alley or the Ministry, wiping out the centre of commerce and the central government. They could also possibly drop a bomb or two on Platform 9 3/4, making sure that the Hogwarts Express couldn't be used to transport anyone to Hogwarts.
As for the muggle-borns and squibs, they would be hunted by both worlds, and possibly killed or taken to camps like the Jews during WW2.
Those are my reasons for thinking that the Muggles would win.
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Post by Nahara46 on Jul 13, 2012 12:45:50 GMT -5
I believe Wizards and Witches would win. With magic, it wouldn't be hard to wipe out whole towns with a few well placed spells.. (Reductor comes immediately to mind). Also, I personally believe that a Wizard would be able to shield against guns and bombs. After a while, I think that the Muggles would be put in their place, and forced to accept that Magic exists. For the most part, I think only extreme religious folks would continue in the hunt after a few years. Also, I think people forget that though yes the Wizards are out numbered, Muggles are out skilled. Anyways, there are a lot more magicals then portrayed in the books... Using the Quidditch cup as a particular example.
All in all, I think that Muggles would loose and eventually learn to live peacefully side by side with magicals.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 13, 2012 14:14:00 GMT -5
It depends on how you perceive things, can bombs and bullets be defended with a shield charm? Actually, even without the shield charm there are ways to defend... Building magical walls, deflection spells, Fidelius charms to hide, confounding a person to start attacking their side. It most likely could go magical if it's a civil war.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 13, 2012 14:17:49 GMT -5
Honestly, Squid has stated my views for me! I'm going to have to agree with him. As much as I love - and loathe - the Wizarding World, there's no way they're equipped to battle the Muggle World.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 13, 2012 14:21:54 GMT -5
While I can see a bullet being stopped by a shield charm, I doubt it would work for bombs. That would have to be a damn strong shield to stop the immense power of bombs, after all - how long could they keep their shields up? And remember how many wizards, even Ministry workers, needed these hats from the twins to protect themselves?
Besides, how many of them would recognise a gun for what it is before they are full of holes?
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Post by Nahara46 on Jul 13, 2012 14:23:58 GMT -5
Honestly, That's the only problem I'd see- Wizards and witches wouldn't know how to recognize a gun. After a few days if war thought, I'm sure they'd pass along the word and figure out.
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 13, 2012 14:26:08 GMT -5
Which side would the muggleborns fight? They've got the protection of both worlds to worry about--their family in the muggle one and their friends in the wizarding world.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 13, 2012 14:27:25 GMT -5
Ooops...called Squid a "him". My bad! *facepalm* sorry, Squid!
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Post by Nahara46 on Jul 13, 2012 14:28:17 GMT -5
If I were a muggleborn, I'd have to side with the wizarding world, because I would be hunted too. Of course, I'd do my best to gather my family and put them under as many protections as I could muster... After all, they could defend themselves if need be, just not against another magical.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 13, 2012 14:29:22 GMT -5
I think the muggleborns wouldn't have one unified side, but each individual would pick the one they agree with. For the most part, I see them protecting the Muggle World over the Wizarding one. Mostly because muggleborns are usually the first target of bigot pure-bloods and psychos like Voldemort.
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Post by Nahara46 on Jul 13, 2012 14:30:47 GMT -5
Why would they defend the ones trying to kill them?
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 13, 2012 14:30:57 GMT -5
I think the muggleborns wouldn't have one unified side, but each individual would pick the one they agree with. For the most part, I see them protecting the Muggle World over the Wizarding one. Mostly because muggleborns are usually the first target of bigot pure-bloods and psychos like Voldemort. I agree, unless of course they're married to a pureblood wizard or witch. Then I think they'd side with the wizarding world in order to protect their family. Maybe smuggle in some weapons from the muggle side as they could act like a muggle and train other wizards and witches how to use it. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 13, 2012 14:32:52 GMT -5
Hm, very good point there, Ginny. The ones who married and stayed in the magical world would be on the Wizarding side. I'm just saying that a lot of them would be rather wary, especially after that whole mess with Muggleborn Registration...
That part reminded me of a modern-day Holocaust.
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 13, 2012 14:33:40 GMT -5
Why do I now have a new story idea? *raises eyebrow*
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 13, 2012 14:34:13 GMT -5
I did it again, didn't I? <-<
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Post by Nahara46 on Jul 13, 2012 14:34:18 GMT -5
Because the vicious plot bunny is vicious?
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 13, 2012 14:37:33 GMT -5
Yes Kuma, you did.
*putters off to write*
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 13, 2012 14:56:45 GMT -5
If I were a muggleborn, I'd have to side with the wizarding world, because I would be hunted too. Of course, I'd do my best to gather my family and put them under as many protections as I could muster... After all, they could defend themselves if need be, just not against another magical. That would assume that every muggle family has an arsenal of weapons at home. In America that may be common, but not in Europe. |
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Post by Nahara46 on Jul 13, 2012 15:00:27 GMT -5
I am not assuming that they have an arsenal of weapons. However, as I said- as a Muggleborn I would hide them and maybe give them some more weapons. Anyways, I know that my family does have two weapons (Two guns, though my parents refuse to tell me where they are.), and I know that a good deal of people do have at least one gun, whether for protection or hunting or to go to shooting ranges.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 13, 2012 15:07:06 GMT -5
Ginny: *sheepish grin* Sorry lol.
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 13, 2012 15:08:08 GMT -5
Hm, very good point there, Ginny. The ones who married and stayed in the magical world would be on the Wizarding side. I'm just saying that a lot of them would be rather wary, especially after that whole mess with Muggleborn Registration... That part reminded me of a modern-day Holocaust. Ah you're right in that regard Kuma. The whole registration thing did remind me of a modern-day Holocaust as well. I wonder if any of the older wizards, those alive during the days of Grindlewald, would remember the time of Hitler? After all, according to some HP fact guide, Grindlewald tried to use Hitler in order to invade Britain but failed (obviously). He used his puppet though to take over the mainland, until Dumbledore defeated him in 1945 (the end of WWII, coincidence anyone?) |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 13, 2012 15:08:56 GMT -5
You were convinced that wizards can't be harmed by guns, right? So that wouldn't help much. Besides, here only a small handful of people owns any weapons at all. In all my years, I have only meet one who has a gun - because he's a hunter. Only police would be allowed to wear them in public, as far as I know, so they would not be that much of a protection save at home. And there they have to be locked away safely.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 13, 2012 15:10:35 GMT -5
Ginny: I think they would remember, which would have made things all the more terrifying.
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Post by Nahara46 on Jul 13, 2012 15:11:28 GMT -5
A wizard could still provide them with the necessary weapons. Anyways, there was magicals all over the world- America included. So, I guess muggle-born families in America would have a better chance of survival...
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 13, 2012 15:13:19 GMT -5
Perhaps, but something tells me America wouldn't be that accepting. It seems today that people get very weird over the idea of supernatural things. Well, non-Christan ones, at any rate. I'm not saying that everyone in America is this way, but it's pretty much the vast majority.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 13, 2012 15:15:12 GMT -5
Do you know how funny it sounds when you put it like that? Wizards supplying the muggleborns with muggle weapons? Half of them would probably accidentally shot themselves  Yes, they would. And the conflict would be growing into another World War in the end. |
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 13, 2012 15:17:20 GMT -5
Here in America, there aren't a ton of people who own guns. We can purchase guns at the age of 18 legally, and the government can not take away our arms due to the 2nd amendment but other than people who hunt game, people who (like my grandmother) had family who fought in a war and had a gun as a souvenir and those who are labeled 'red-necks', most Americans don't have guns in the house.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 13, 2012 15:18:49 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think a majority of the uber-religious countries in the world would be accepting of a secret magical population.
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jul 13, 2012 15:19:33 GMT -5
Ginny: I think they would remember, which would have made things all the more terrifying. Obviously not terrifying enough if Voldemort was able to spring up so quickly in the three years he was in power in the HP series. Of course, that first year was a given due to Fudge and his idiotic behavior. *Light bulb goes off and putters off to expand on story idea* |
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