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Post by TitansRule on Aug 3, 2012 6:02:42 GMT -5
Honestly, having looked at HPFFA, I can't see them allowing RtB fics, given how utterly picky they are.
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Post by viralic1 on Aug 3, 2012 6:27:44 GMT -5
They don't seem that picky to me, most of the requirements that I've seen are things that you should do anyway (proper spelling/grammar, more than 1K words, add a disclaimer, etc.)
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Post by Strange Hearts on Aug 3, 2012 12:40:56 GMT -5
I have my own website that I'm posting on. If you want the link, you'll have to PM me, cause I'm kind of paranoid and rather know who can go there instead of letting anyone do so.
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Post by ShotgunWilly on Aug 3, 2012 15:37:02 GMT -5
I want to say that I've looked around HPFFA and I saw a no-RtB rule there too, but I can't remember exactly where
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Post by rocky on Aug 4, 2012 8:40:45 GMT -5
I just checked the HPFFA site out of in intrest and found this,
"12. Copying of JK’s Original Work. aka “The gang reads…” aka “MST” aka “Paraphrasing” Stories of this nature will not be allowed. Small exceptions are allowed for a few sentences when needed. The retelling of the prophecy as an example. (Added 6-19-2012)"
Sooo i wouldnt try using that one.
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Post by melodypottersnape on Aug 4, 2012 9:32:06 GMT -5
Hey everyone yesterday I was creating a fanfiction site for regular Harry and Naruto fanfiction. When I got done I decided to also include a section that only members can see and get access to. This section is labeled Email summaries. It's where people with RTB can post summaries of their works. On the summaries they can have links to where their stories are or they can consent to emailing it to readers. The RTB contains sections for HP, Hunger Games, Twilight, Percy Jackson, and an Other cetegory. I suggest if you try it that you read all of the INFOs. They're really important. fanfictionletyourmindwonder.freeforums.org |
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Post by heraldofdreams on Aug 5, 2012 14:36:53 GMT -5
I think Kuma and Silvertongue are going to be the only ones interested since I've got their challenges (Kuma's After-Affects of Manipulative Coots and Silvertongue's as-yet-untitled Twilight/Harry Potter reading), but if you're curious I've got a new LJ account. heraldofdreams.livejournal.com |
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Post by Rushingriver on Aug 5, 2012 20:43:49 GMT -5
I will continue to post Hufflepuffs With Books to AO3 for as long as I am allowed, but if anyone would like I will add you to a mailing list and as I get the chapters finished and edited I will send them to you. I will just need your e-mail address.
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Aug 7, 2012 5:41:24 GMT -5
just a little heads up, I emailed YourFanfiction because I had a question about posting my RtB and they said to wait because they are looking into the legalities of that section because of complaints.
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 7, 2012 5:45:48 GMT -5
*groans* Please don't tell me the Cyberbully Union was there already, too! Can't they keep their noses out of even *one* site??
I'm beginning to be amazed that they haven't tried to forbid fanfiction per se - it seems like something these idiots would do.
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Aug 7, 2012 5:47:58 GMT -5
I don't know, but I really am rethinking posting any RtB on any site, blog or not. I might stick with emailing if people really really want them. Atleast I know that is private and can't be banned or anything. The worst they can do is fill my spam folder with emails saying how bad I am for doing it.  |
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 7, 2012 5:58:17 GMT -5
And it saves you all the re-coding/re-formatting for each new site only to have it be deleted again ...
It's really frustrating how a bunch of bullies with nothing useful to make of their lives are about the ruin the whole world of fanfiction for others. What's the point of reading fics when they have so many deleted? When all RtB and M stories are gone, they will find excuses to report completely normal stories, too, no doubt. And the saddest thing is how all the website administrators are bowing to the demands of these bullies.
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Aug 7, 2012 6:09:01 GMT -5
oh, they already have reported completely normal ones. Have you read their forum? They deleted this one person's story because he was 11 and was on his sister's old account. Said that he was too young to write, or atleast that is what I got from what they were saying. It was all because of bad grammar or something..... . Then one of the people commented saying that he/she wouldn't let their little sister on because she was a horrible writer, even though she really wanted to post a story. They don't even give people a chance it seems. Like they only give them a few hours to update, do they think we have no lives and can correct and update right after receiving their "constructive criticism"? these people are sick, they also make fun of the author after they get their stories deleted. Laugh about how the person reacted to their reviews and their reaction to their story getting deleted. |
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 7, 2012 6:17:01 GMT -5
That's just so stupid! No one has written a world bestseller at the first attempt, after all! IMO, writing is very much a question of practice, and how will you get that when you are discouraged that was? I wonder if it is possible to report their forum ... but probably not, and if it is, then no one of the staff will care, as usual. It makes me furious that these bullies get free rein by the staff.
At that rate, I am beginning to *hope* people will leave FFN and other websites will not be so accommodating to the Cyberbullies when it comes to normal stories. If the site is destroyed, maybe the staff will get the hint that they made a huge mistake ...
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Post by TitansRule on Aug 7, 2012 8:02:03 GMT -5
But there shouldn't be any legal issues with yourfanfiction - the only way you could claim legalities is the fact that the whole book is available free on the internet (and, okay, I can see their point), but yourfanfiction makes it very clear that the whole text cannot be posted. They're covered.
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Post by G. Novella on Aug 7, 2012 8:12:16 GMT -5
Yeah, but CU people can make things difficult, and YFF is new... They'd need a stronger support system, and they're still building up.
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Post by kumainpink on Aug 7, 2012 8:14:36 GMT -5
I hate CU...I really fucking hate them. -.-
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Post by TitansRule on Aug 7, 2012 8:21:07 GMT -5
I'm considering setting up another tumblr for my series and making it password protected and only give out the password through private messages. Although Wattpad hasn't been targeted yet - probably because it's so difficult to actually find the stories.
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Post by Ithiarel on Aug 7, 2012 8:29:20 GMT -5
just a little heads up, I emailed YourFanfiction because I had a question about posting my RtB and they said to wait because they are looking into the legalities of that section because of complaints. *sigh* Seriously? Okay, if things keep going at this rate, I am seriously contemplating changing my fic and going the same way Isilarma did - namely: take out all RtB parts and run with the story as is... Or maybe just quote one line and rely on people to find that place in the chapter? *hmmmm* This bears some thinking about. And allow people to request the whole RtB chapter by email.... |
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Aug 7, 2012 10:13:49 GMT -5
just a little heads up, I emailed YourFanfiction because I had a question about posting my RtB and they said to wait because they are looking into the legalities of that section because of complaints. *sigh* Seriously? Okay, if things keep going at this rate, I am seriously contemplating changing my fic and going the same way Isilarma did - namely: take out all RtB parts and run with the story as is... Or maybe just quote one line and rely on people to find that place in the chapter? *hmmmm* This bears some thinking about. And allow people to request the whole RtB chapter by email.... I've been playing around with the idea of a story that either gives a detailed (but in my own words) description of his life (maybe like an interview or just telling the Weasley family.....a few plots have opened up for that. One including the use of Veritaserum) or just what happened during the Deathly Hallows or they somehow wind up in a pensieve and see what happened through Harry's POV. No book chapters, just my writing and no subplot or anything. I got the idea from a chapter of a "nineteen years and on" story line of Ron and Hermione.....either the story "Rennervate" or "Of Stars and Stones", can't remember which and I don't think I have time to go find it right now. It is also like the story, I can't remember the name, where people are thrown into Harry's memories. Except the author has it where they are thrown into when he first arrives at the dursley's and make the abuse more than what the book says, plus the author hasn't finished yet. The only exceptance to this is that it wouldn't be just a chapter, it would be a multichapter because I would go indepth with it. I would put both Ron and Hermione's accounts into, unlike the book does. I might bring people back, like some of the RtB's do. There is endless ideas for this. On FFNET, someone is trying to write an RtB without the chapter text, but I believe they are going about it wrong. Do any of you remember a RtB series of Twilight that didn't have the actual chapter text? I remember hearing about it, and I remember going to have a look at it and it was amazing, but I can't remember the author or name. I would like to see it again because I would like to see how they wrote it and maybe try my hand at that as well. |
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Post by Ithiarel on Aug 7, 2012 10:33:55 GMT -5
I've sat down now, and tried to rewrite my chapter two in a way that doesn't quote the book (with more than one sentence - and that only if the characters are discussing that one sentence). I wanted to see if it would work. It's still a bit rough, but I think it might just do for my purposes. This approach is even a whole lot faster than commenting on a whole chapter. So, there is a definite plus side to it.  I guess, I'll have to work through my chapter in detail now, to smooth out any weird sounding passages... and then, I'll see if this is an approach I could imagine applying to the whole book. Might just work... *shuffles off to experiment a bit more* |
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 7, 2012 10:40:58 GMT -5
That sounds workable, yes. It's still sad that you have to do it in the first place, but still, better than giving up. I'll let you both try it out and hope we still are going to get these stories, even if in a different form. I had really enjoyed them and wanted more!
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Post by Ithiarel on Aug 7, 2012 10:49:42 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain that if we manage to find a new, workable form the stories won't be hunted down so much anymore. After all, if we manage to make do without any quotes from the books - that's not copyright problematic anymore (or at least not more than any other fanfiction ever is). ;D
I don't think that anyone who's already written their story in the old format would want to rework it (way too much work), but perhaps it can be a workable alternative for new stories...
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Post by Kitty279 on Aug 7, 2012 10:55:49 GMT -5
And these could be put on any other fanfiction archive or LJ or whatever - we'd not have to bother with FFN.
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Post by physicssquid on Aug 7, 2012 10:56:12 GMT -5
Why should we bow down to the Cyberbullies Union and ruin our stories by doing what they want?
I will not rework my stories, any of them, because I feel that that is just giving in to the bullying. I'm not going to give up on RtBs with the original text, because I will not lie down and let the CU dictate what I read and write.
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Post by Ithiarel on Aug 7, 2012 11:10:52 GMT -5
I see your point. But a "non-quote" approach seems simply more feasible to me. (in my personal opinion) - It's shorter,
- faster to write,
- and won't make so much trouble in the long run.
- It will also spare my readers from having to read the same chapter texts over and over again (because let's face it, most of us are RtB addicts, which means we've read those chapters so often we can probably quote them in our sleep by now).
- It also allows me to focus on those parts I want to focus on, without having to worry about not havin enough comments in other parts of the chapter.
As I said. Rewriting an old story isn't an option. I wouldn't do that either. But with a new story... what's to stop me from simply starting in that style from the start onwards? In the end, this'll be a decision, every writer has to make for themselves. *shrugs* And while it might work for one, it might not even be imaginable for another. But I'd rather be able to post my stories where people can read them in peace, then be on the run all the time. And if this means changing my operating procedure, then so it will be. For me, accessibility and availability for my readers if more important than my own gridlocked practices.  You're set in your ways. That's fine. But I'm not. The publishing situation of fanfics online is changing. That's fine. I can adapt.  |
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Post by mountaingirl777 on Aug 7, 2012 11:11:51 GMT -5
Why should we bow down to the Cyberbullies Union and ruin our stories by doing what they want? I will not rework my stories, any of them, because I feel that that is just giving in to the bullying. I'm not going to give up on RtBs with the original text, because I will not lie down and let the CU dictate what I read and write. That is a good way of thinking, but you also need to look at it another way as well. Yes, they are cyberbullies, but we really don't know where Rowling stand with this and we don't know if she just knows about it and is turning a blind eye to it or if she doesn't know at all. I agree that the people who are trolling are going about this thing wrong. They could warn us not to write them and leave it at that, but they aren't and they aren't leaving us alone after a warning, that is what makes me mad. BUT, they are in the right that these stories are going against some rules (or might be going against some rules) and if we fight too hard against them then we might be seeing legal action as more people from outside the Fanfiction world start to see it and we could face legal action. I'm not just talking about the fansites who have let us post our stories on there, I'm also talking about the people who write the stories as well. If Rowling doesn't approve and believe it is plagerism, we could be looking at a problem bigger than just some petty trolls. *steps off the stage and goes back to her real life* BTW, that is my opinion on the matter and I've said something similar in another thread. Please don't think I'm one of the CU, I would never stoop to their level. I love these stories as much as you all do and I don't want to see them become extinct in the world of writing. I'm just give out the facts that I see. |
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Post by blackroses77 on Aug 7, 2012 13:08:33 GMT -5
I still think that if YFF allows these stories to remain up the best bet is to leave out a few chapters each book when writing these stories and just emailing those chapters to the readers who ask for them. That way the author should be protected from legal action, right?
There has to be some way to do it without removing all the txt, I've tried reading a couple attempts of RtB without txt on ffn and imo they just don't work and are impossible to enjoy. But like Ithiarel said it will be up to the author's to decide.
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Post by Ithiarel on Aug 7, 2012 13:20:12 GMT -5
I still think that if YFF allows these stories to remain up the best bet is to leave out a few chapters each book when writing these stories and just emailing those chapters to the readers who ask for them. That way the author should be protected from legal action, right? No, they're not. That's where the whole problem lies. A quote is a quote. But copying down whole pages of a book is copyright infringement of the worst kind. And there is always the possibility of legal consequences, because (I will never grow tired of pointing this out) it is illegal. Seriously, JKR could file charges against you for copying one paragraph of her books (and not labeling it correctly). And a whole page does not even count as a quote anymore... That said, I don't mind RtB's either. But I am very aware of the fact that they are (and always will be) highly illegal warez. I read some fics, too, where the author tried to leave out all the text of the book - and they were horrifying. But I'm doing it different than those guys. Not just leaving out the book parts - but actually writing a real chapter; one made up of more than just dialogues... I guess, you'll just have to come and take a look at my version, and then decide if it works for you or not (I still plan to post my chapter on the coming weekend). |
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Post by blackroses77 on Aug 7, 2012 13:33:42 GMT -5
I still think that if YFF allows these stories to remain up the best bet is to leave out a few chapters each book when writing these stories and just emailing those chapters to the readers who ask for them. That way the author should be protected from legal action, right? No, they're not. That's where the whole problem lies. A quote is a quote. But copying down whole pages of a book is copyright infringement of the worst kind. And there is always the possibility of legal consequences, because (I will never grow tired of pointing this out) it is illegal. Seriously, JKR could file charges against you for copying one paragraph of her books (and not labeling it correctly). And a whole page does not even count as a quote anymore... That said, I don't mind RtB's either. But I am very aware of the fact that they are (and always will be) highly illegal warez. I read some fics, too, where the author tried to leave out all the text of the book - and they were horrifying. But I'm doing it different than those guys. Not just leaving out the book parts - but actually writing a real chapter; one made up of more than just dialogues... I guess, you'll just have to come and take a look at my version, and then decide if it works for you or not (I still plan to post my chapter on the coming weekend). I loved the start to your story so will definitely be checking out the rest of it. Are you only posting it on your blog or somewhere else as well? |
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