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Post by brokenquill92 on Jul 8, 2012 2:48:49 GMT -5
Arthur has seven children so shouldn't he put the welfare of his family before job satisfaction, especially a job that pays so poorly?
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 8, 2012 2:51:28 GMT -5
I don't know, to be fair we don't know how the family spends money. I think the reason they are poor is cause of dumb idiotic decisions like finally getting some money, and deciding to take a vacation before taking care of your children's needs.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 8, 2012 2:56:46 GMT -5
I agree. Something tells me that they're not exactly wise with money...
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 8, 2012 3:02:34 GMT -5
Well, what do you expect with Molly in charge ... she spent the money she had preferably on Perfect Prefect Prat Percy, to reward him for being such a stuck-up git, or on visiting the older two, who were at least at Hogwarts up to her standards, even if she doesn't agree with their career choices. But who cares about the twins or Ron?
Seeing as the books, save for Defense, seem to stay the same, the twis could have given Ron their old books. I mean, did they need first year spellbooks for year grade? And if they had to look something up, Ron was right with them. So, why buy more secondhand-stuff for Ron? And don't get me started on the Lockhard books!
So, no, I don't blame Arthur that much, save that he was mostly a pushover and allowed Molly to deal with everything and (mis-)handle the children.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 8, 2012 3:05:14 GMT -5
Too true, Kitty. I think that Molly suffers from "not having enough" syndrome. And yeah, why didn't they recycle books? It would have made a lot more sense!
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 8, 2012 3:08:15 GMT -5
Yeah. I have books from before I was born, and those aren't even school books. There's no possible reason for losing/destroying school books.
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Post by brokenquill92 on Jul 8, 2012 3:10:10 GMT -5
I suppose so but c'mon he's a Gryffindor he should have had the balls to put his foot down
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 8, 2012 3:10:48 GMT -5
Yeah, that's one thing I never understood. That, and where did Harry's books go? Though actually, I might understand Harry having no choice but to throw them away. I doubt he'd have been able to keep them all, especially during the summer before second year.
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 8, 2012 3:16:54 GMT -5
I think it mentioned in the Deathly Hallows that he still had a few when he was cleaning out his trunk.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 8, 2012 3:18:04 GMT -5
I can imagine that books like "1000 Herbs and Fungus" (or something like that) are for more than one year, but there were books that had the same title again and again, with the year number added, so they could have passed them on.
Someone should have taught them shrinking/enlarging, so he could shrink them at the end of the school year and keep them in the trunk over the holidays and still have them next year.
True, Arthus is a fine Gryffindor, being so afraid of his wife's temper - I'd rather silence her. Only when it came to telling the kids a bit in OotP did he ever oppose her.
Hm, just found another issue, but that belongs in the Molly thread *heads over*
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Post by brokenquill92 on Jul 8, 2012 3:19:12 GMT -5
Remember it's repeatedly said that even if Harry did offer they wouldn't take it and he did offer several times
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 8, 2012 3:21:20 GMT -5
True, but taking money from him is still something else than spending their own money more sensible.
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Post by brokenquill92 on Jul 8, 2012 3:23:41 GMT -5
Sigh true kitten very true
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 8, 2012 3:25:07 GMT -5
It's too much damn pride, that's what it is. I think it's mostly on Molly's part. She strikes me as someone who secretly loathes their lot in life, but is too prideful to get help.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 8, 2012 3:29:41 GMT -5
Hm, yes, that might explain why she is so obsessed with forcing her children into the Ministry for a proper career.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 8, 2012 3:30:32 GMT -5
Living through them? But of course! Getting the family more money...a bonus!
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 8, 2012 3:31:11 GMT -5
Doubtful, because the Ministry never struck me as a place that pays well. She doesn't care what they want, she just wants them to do what she wants, even if it doesn't pay well and leaves them miserable.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 8, 2012 3:34:11 GMT -5
She might see it as prestigious. I could see them hiring mostly purebloods, which would get them with the right people ... Of course, she was blind to how corrupt that whole thing was.
But yes, she wanted to control their careers, no matter now miserable they were. The twins would have been more than miserable there, but she didn't care for that.
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 8, 2012 3:45:39 GMT -5
The sad part is, the Twins were making great money, and they were happy about it. We know Bill and Charlie are both making enough money to sustain themselves, and they were happy. How could she not notice that her own children were happier away from her, doing their own things?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 8, 2012 3:51:49 GMT -5
Because she wanted to control them and it was wrong of them to escape her clutches? Did you notice that both the oldest sons moved out of the country the moment they could, and the third broke with the family altogether? The twins moved out before they even had graduated, too, and I always wondered what arguments happened after they left in the middle of the school year for good and opened the joke shop Molly was so strongly disapproving of.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 8, 2012 3:55:04 GMT -5
I want to know why Molly did not get a job of her own at the start of CoS since all her kids have now either moved out or were at Hogwarts. There is no reason why Molly couldn't have gotten a job and helped out financially.
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 8, 2012 3:55:09 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think there was an argument, because I think the twins exploded on her, and left. They didn't pull a Percy and treat her like trash, but I can see them laying down an ultimatum and saying "Either you accept what we want to do in life, or you never see us again."
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 8, 2012 3:59:34 GMT -5
I want to know why Molly did not get a job of her own at the start of CoS since all her kids have now either moved out or were at Hogwarts. There is no reason why Molly couldn't have gotten a job and helped out financially. She strikes me as one of these old-fashioned stay-at-home mums who think their only job is children, kitchen and household. Besides, as an employer, I'd be wary of her fast, she has very definied opinions about what's right and wrong and no problems voicing them - loud and clearly. Wouldn't get her far. Honestly, I don't think there was an argument, because I think the twins exploded on her, and left. They didn't pull a Percy and treat her like trash, but I can see them laying down an ultimatum and saying "Either you accept what we want to do in life, or you never see us again." Ha, I love that idea and would like to be a fly on the wall them ;D |
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 8, 2012 4:02:31 GMT -5
Lol, I'm wondering how the whole joke shop is going to play out in my story, with Molly gone there isn't that much opposition.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 8, 2012 4:04:06 GMT -5
She strikes me as one of these old-fashioned stay-at-home mums who think their only job is children, kitchen and household. Besides, as an employer, I'd be wary of her fast, she has very definied opinions about what's right and wrong and no problems voicing them - loud and clearly. Wouldn't get her far. It doesn't have to be a full time job. Even a part time job would have helped a lot and then perhaps Ron, Ginny and the twins could have gone to Hogwarts wearing nice robes or Ron could go to the Yule Ball in clothing that looked like it wasn't designed to humiliate him. Or better yet at the start of CoS Molly could get a part time job to get Ron a new wand. Even though she did not know he broke his at the start of CoS she did know that he was using Charlie's old wand and from what we know of wands that is a huge disadvantage not to have a wand that picked you. As a mother Molly should feel ashamed that she has put her son at such a disadvantage over all his class mates. |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 8, 2012 4:08:56 GMT -5
Agreed. Add to that the fact that she is a pureblood and should have known that Ron wouldn't be able to reach his full potential with that old thing.
Again: She gave Percy an owl *and* new robes for being made prefect, but Ron had to use that rubbish wand *and* robes that were too short at the beginning of the year already. Great mother, really. And what do you bet that she yelled at Ron at the end of the first year for not being good enough?
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 8, 2012 4:11:45 GMT -5
That is a great point. Really despite Percy becoming a prefect the priority should have always been to give Ron a new wand over giving Percy new robes and a new owl.
Also i am not sure if anyone else is aware but Ron is also the only one in the family that does not get a new wand. Even Ginny at the start of CoS gets a new wand while Ron is still stuck with the second hand one.
Molly was essentially tying one of Ron's hands behind his back by giving him a second hand wand (a second hand wand that was not in good condition either as even in 1st year the core was poking out of it).
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 8, 2012 4:16:34 GMT -5
Indeed. At least give Percy only one of these rewards and spend the money on Ron's wand. Considering the state Ron's wand was in, I suspect Charlie wasn't even the first owner - which would explain why he got a new one and the old one ended up with Ron. I mean, Harry's wand was not damaged, despite all the adventures he went through, so how did Charlie alone ruin the wand that badly?
We can't say for sure about the older ones, I think, but it seems likely that most of them got new ones, or at least some of them - see my thoughts on Charlie. And most definitely Percy got everything new Molly could manage.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jul 8, 2012 4:23:56 GMT -5
Here is the state of Ron's wand in the first book
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He rummaged around in his trunk and pulled out a very battered-looking wand. It was chipped in places and something white was glinting at the end.
"Unicorn hair's nearly poking out. Anyway —"
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"Dunno how Mum and Dad are going to afford all our school stuff this year," said George after a while. "Five sets of Lockhart books! And Ginny needs robes and a wand and everything…"
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which to me implies that Ginny is getting a new wand and not a second hand one.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 8, 2012 4:28:41 GMT -5
Never argued about Ginny  *growls at the second quote* Why on earth five sets?? One or two would have been enough. The books were the same for all years, and they had the same teacher, so they couldn't need them at the same time in different classes. Why not pass one or two sets around?? They were all in the same school and same house, it couldn't have been that difficult! Plus, Harry donated his set, so they'd have had to buy one at most. No common sense, really. |
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