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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 12, 2012 1:36:35 GMT -5
Oh, and another son: Gilderoy Quirinus Potter! After all, the one lost his memory and the other his life due to their attacks on Harry backfiring, so they need to be honoured, right? This website has a bad influence on me, it brings out my worst side  |
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jun 12, 2012 1:51:22 GMT -5
Ohh! Dobby Regulus Potter.
I think I need help.
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Post by basketsarah120 on Jun 12, 2012 1:55:48 GMT -5
It seems like Twelany got another thing right.. Harry might be having twelve kids after all.
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jun 12, 2012 1:58:52 GMT -5
Well, seeing as he married a Weasley.....
I mean, the family had seven kids and they were flat broke. I wonder how many could manage on the Potter and Black fortunes?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 12, 2012 2:03:01 GMT -5
When you consider that Harry would have to help out four to five other Weasleys?
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jun 12, 2012 2:05:00 GMT -5
I was talking about Harry's kids.
Seven Weasley kids made it to Hogwarts (alive, properly fed and clothed, educated) in a family that had only one gallon to their name. If (and I mean if) Harry and Ginny had wanted more, how many could they have before the pocketbook started to feel very light.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 12, 2012 2:07:57 GMT -5
I know, but he would feel honour-bound to help his brothers-in-law if necessary.
Really don't know. My impression was that Harry was pretty rich himself, and the Blacks weren't exactly poor, either, but we don't know enough to be sure. Plus, as Head Auror he was probably earning more than Arthur did. So, they could afford more children, I suspect. Oh, and then there's Teddy.
Besides, if they had only one galleon, how did they pay the fine in CoS?
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jun 12, 2012 2:12:37 GMT -5
That is true but George wouldn't need it unless the shop went under (though with the death of Fred, it wouldn't surprise me), Ron was a fellow Auror and married to Hermione, so they wouldn't blow through their finances. Percy's....well, Percy. Charlie, who knows how much he makes and Bill worked at Gringotts along with Fleur. Cursebreakers probably made good money.
Good point about the money. My headcanon for that is that the Potters were rich enough so that Harry wouldn't have to work for the rest of his childrens' lives but not richer than the Malfoys. Please, if that had happened then Malfoy would have no power at Hogwarts.
With the Fine, either Harry paid it without them knowing or Gringotts has loans. I'm leaning towards the latter.
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Post by sherza on Jun 12, 2012 2:17:02 GMT -5
Well, Malfoy would have had power still. You have to remember, it's all about connections. And *who* was whispering in the Minister's ear, and on the School Board again? Oh, right, Lucius Malfoy.
Plus, Harry could only weild the power of the Potter money if he knew about it ... knew his station in society. He knew *nothing* of his family at any point in school to use any influence the Potter family might have had, monetarily or politically.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 12, 2012 2:23:11 GMT -5
True, most of the kids would be sensible enough, but you never know. Though my suggestion wasn't meant entirely serious, either.
Actually, I am not sure if that wealth isn't more canon, some things you read so many times that they become canon for you. Though I don't get exactly why Malfoy wouldn't have the power he has if he had less money than Harry. As Sherza said, Harry never knew how much he owned or how influential he was, as Dumbledore made sure he grew up with someone who couldn't tell him anything about the Potters. And being the BWL alone would give him some political clout, regardless of money. I can't see Harry handing out bribes like Malfoy did anyway.
That would have been another job for Sirius, telling Harry more about his family. Did JKR just not think of it, or did Molly always interfere because it was so much more important to have the kids cleaning than Harry learning something about the parents he never knew?
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jun 12, 2012 2:28:16 GMT -5
On the money issue....they're both filthy rich to me so honestly, they could have money baths in the stuff and I wouldn't really care. To a young, broke, unemployed college student, I feel like a Weasley when thinking about the wealths of the two families.
But yeah, Harry wouldn't really bribe. I mean, he'd help out those in need. Which could be taken as a bribe by the idiots in power but otherwise he kinda has the clout he needs and really doesn't want.
Molly probably did the interfering. I love how, after a month probably being a house elf for the barn animals he calls relations, Harry has to go clean another house. And that's after watching a friend die right in front of him!
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Post by sherza on Jun 12, 2012 2:35:04 GMT -5
Malfoy WOULD have more power than Harry in canon, regardless of who has more money, simply because his father has been working his ass off to grease the right wheels and make the right friends and gather the right blackmail etc, and Draco can capitalize on it (well, he could have if he had half a brain).
Whereas, Harry was working with, not only not knowing what he's got to work with, but the fact that there hasn't been a Potter around for a *long* time to do as Lucius was doing (if in a more legal and appropriate manner). Well, long time politically speaking ... at least twelve years, if the Potters went into hiding immediately after the Prophecy was made, and eleven if they went into hiding after Harry was born. Being the 'boy who lived' only does Harry so much good, especially since he's been out of contact his entire life. A bunch of people would get downright pissy about not hearing from him after sending letters ... because you KNOW that more than overexcited fangirl children sent him letters that never got answered.
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Post by ginnyrules27 on Jun 12, 2012 2:39:51 GMT -5
I wonder if the unanswered letters were part of the reason why the general public believed the smears the Ministry was heaping on Harry in fifth year. I mean, otherwise they'd wonder why their government was attacking a fifteen year old boy right?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 12, 2012 2:41:38 GMT -5
At the moment, yes, I was more thinking in the long-term range - after the war. That could be different. Cornelius is no more, Lucius a proven Death Eater, Harry publicly finished that self-styled dark lord off ... that might change it a bit in the long run.
You're right about the fanmail. I'd like to know what happened to that? Where did Dumbledore hide it? And why did he never tell Harry about it after he returned to the wizarding world?
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 12, 2012 2:43:38 GMT -5
Ginny, you and Shezra have just made an excellent point!
These letters are something that needs to be addressed in more fanfics, weather they are CRs or not.
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Post by sherza on Jun 12, 2012 2:59:44 GMT -5
agreed. It's another massive plothole JKR left ignored, and it probably did, yes, weigh heavily in how the public reacted to Harry not just in fifth year but any other time he made the news. Or people heard about his exploits. And the stain and strain would have followed Harry for a long time even after he got rid of Dumbles and got things straightened out. There'd be a faction of people that would see anything Harry did politically as him merely trading on his fame and being a fickle idiot, simply because he's all of a sudden getting involved ... now? Why not before now? Why didn't he acknowledge my offer of betrothal for my daughter (you KNOW that happened. Don't tell me it didn't). Resentment and friction galore.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 12, 2012 3:03:27 GMT -5
I think he'd need to get it into the papers that he just discovered that Dumbledore kept thousands of letters from him he knew nothing about until he found them recently, and that he thanks the people for writing him and apologises for not answering any letters. That might help a bit, seeing as most people take the Prophet as their gospel.
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Post by Animikokala on Jun 12, 2012 8:18:55 GMT -5
Couldn't Order members swear some sort of oath when they joined: I will never willingly join or help Lord Voldemort. Or something like that, probably worded better? Unbreakable vow maybe?
And for letters, I agree that more fanfictions need to address that plothole. In addition, why didn't a Hogwarts student ask Harry about the fanmail? Ron or Ginny could ask him why he didn't answer their letter when he was younger or if he ever got it, starting the whole fan letter chain reaction.
While on the subject of letters....why would they send out Hogwarts acceptance letters without at least glancing at the addresses, even if they are written by magic?
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 12, 2012 10:24:36 GMT -5
And WHY would dumbledore send Hagrid to tell Harry about the magical world when he KNOWS Petunia would never have told him about it. Purposely sending someone who would be horribly biased and give terrible explanations, possibly leaving him more out of his depth? AND, why did it take over a hundred letters for them to finally send someone? Honestly, does nobody even keep track of how many are sent out to one person, let alone the address?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 12, 2012 10:49:13 GMT -5
The mean answer were that Dumbledore didn't want Harry to learn more about his social standing as the last heir to an old pureblood line and possible political influences.
How are Muggleborn notified? A professor bringing the letter in person? Why didn't they do that with Harry, too? And even if they thought he knew about the magical world, as Hagrid clearly did - We expect your owl Really? Right, a muggle-raised child with no contact to the magical world will have an post owl sitting right in front of his nose, no doubt! How stupid was that?
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 12, 2012 10:51:30 GMT -5
I've seen many a fic where the muggleborns get a different version of the letter along with a teacher to explain things and escort them to Diagon Alley.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 12, 2012 10:54:07 GMT -5
Yeah, so why did they not the same for Harry? Dumbledore and McGonagall, of all people, knew where he grew up!
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Post by biakit on Jun 12, 2012 10:57:23 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I think I mean, who would believe in a letter? People need someone to prove it and I think the first time they in Diagon Alley is with a teacher so he or she can explain a few things so the parents' kid know like they won't see the door and they need someone to tap in the wall, which I doubt muggleborn children can do.
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 12, 2012 11:23:11 GMT -5
They'd also need someone to explain the money. How does that even work? Can the goblins withdraw muggle money from muggle bank accounts to convert into galleons?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 12, 2012 11:36:53 GMT -5
Or how to find the Hogwarts Express. Something Hagrid forgot, as we all know.
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 12, 2012 11:38:32 GMT -5
I'd think any other teacher advisor would remember that little detail. Like I've seen in a lot of RTB's, people suggest they have a wizard there to help anyone who looks lost like Harry was.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 12, 2012 11:41:27 GMT -5
Which would be a very sensible way to handle it. An adult wizard might be able to make sure that people don't stand out too much, too.
Besides, there should be a floo or something on the other side, its just silly to have all these purebloods walk through Kings Cross in robes - or can you imagine Malfoy in Muggle clothes?
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Post by Animikokala on Jun 12, 2012 12:29:08 GMT -5
Or how to find the Hogwarts Express. Something Hagrid forgot, as we all know. Yeah, good thing Molly couldn't remember the platform number and had to have one of her children tell her, especially considering she'd already sent 5 other children through (and been there herself when she was in school).  Really, what was JKR thinking when she wrote that scene? |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 12, 2012 12:39:05 GMT -5
Yeah, that was strange. Either she was so flustered she had forgot her brain somewhere along the way, or the fanfic idea of it being a setup to bring Harry together with Ron may have some merit. I know some have had her doing it for educational purposes, but that still seems silly to me, the kids should be able to tell her in their sleep already.
So, my answer to your last question would be: not much!
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 12, 2012 15:31:53 GMT -5
Yeah, that was strange. Either she was so flustered she had forgot her brain somewhere along the way, or the fanfic idea of it being a setup to bring Harry together with Ron may have some merit. I know some have had her doing it for educational purposes, but that still seems silly to me, the kids should be able to tell her in their sleep already. So, my answer to your last question would be: not much! *snickers* I personally find that scene wholly suspicious and things like this is why I can easily accept reading Manipulative!Dumbledore fics. |
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