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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 5, 2012 1:01:26 GMT -5
However, I have yet to read one in this setting, that has reached the part in the books about exactly what goes on in Umbridge's detentions. I wonder why that is?  Me too, me too!!! I so had hoped that Shopaholic1369 would get there soon, as she was so fast and already well into GoF, but then the latter was deleted and she refuses to continue *cries* The others all are still far from reaching the infamous first lesson and first detention chapters. I so want to see what Fudge is going to say when he finds out just to what lengths his pet toad went! Oh, I have to admit that I love some bashing, as long as it's not overdone and it's the right person that gets bashed  |
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 5, 2012 6:57:27 GMT -5
I don't mind bashing personally so long as it's not over-done and it's the right people being bashed. I'm not keen on Evil!Dumbledore, but I do like Manipulative!Dumbledore. I don't like fics where he is made to be like a senile old man, but I do like when he's reading the books and doesn't realise just how unloved Harry was at the Dursleys. Basically I can read any kind of Dumbledore, like I can read any kind of Harry (except wuss Harry that blushes at everything and needs constant reassurance at age 17).
What I don't understand is where Mcgonagall's nickname came from. Where in the books does anybody call her Minnie? Now every fic I read has them calling her Minnie and it really bugs me. That's not something she would allow from her students and OR from Sirius.
Oh and I've seen someone spelling his name as Sirus....and Regulas...There is no 'a' in Regulus.
ALSO! FEM!Blaise! What is that!? Blaise Zabini (without an M) is most definitely a guy. Changing genders is not cool. Making Harry a girl and then putting him with a guy? Do you just not like homosexuality but want him with a guy? That's ridiculous. I understand it if it's a "what if Harry was born a girl" thing but not when he changes gender dure to a potion or something.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 5, 2012 7:10:50 GMT -5
Hm, I like my Dumbledore more on the manipulative, a bit callous side, as I don't agree with the way he handled some things. But I usually don't like it when the evil aspect is too much overdone, either. Dumbledore made too many mistakes and used questionable methods to achieve his goals, but he wasn't as bad as Voldemort. As for the Minnie nickname, I suspect some fan started it and others copied the idea. Have seen this before; it's fascinating how quick that sort of idea spreads. And no, she wouldn't allow that from the students, though I am not sure an older Sirius wouldn't have the cheek to try. An angry Minerva isn't that bad after 12 years in hell, after all (Which leads to another pet peeve of mine - why on earth make so many authors the guys afraid of all females? It's just laughable when an adult Sirius is afraid of a teenage Hermione!) Yeah, have seen these spellings myself way too many times *sigh* Or Ginerva, Pomena/Pamona, Pomphrey, ... |
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Post by isk2837 on Jun 5, 2012 7:14:05 GMT -5
My understanding is that some stories make Blaise a girl because until HBP it wasn't clear if Blaise was a girl or a boy - it's not a common name, and Blaise didn't actually make an appearance (outside of mentions of his name) until HBP.
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 5, 2012 7:16:40 GMT -5
HAHAH! to the scary girls thing! I hate that too. And it's always Hermione, Ginny, and Molly....but then they all cheek Mcgonagall when she's one of the strictest women there. Makes no sense.
Also, when Sirius has just escaped from Azkaban and is acting as though he never went in, with none of the effects of the dementors. I sure he'd be pretty drained and depressed for a while at least.
While the Blaise thing is true, I still see people making the same mistake now. I think these people must have only seen the films and not paid much attention to his character.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 5, 2012 7:23:45 GMT -5
I understand it if it's a "what if Harry was born a girl" thing but not when he changes gender dure to a potion or something. Once I've seen a story where, if I understood the summary correctly, by some potions or similar mishap Harry and some girl were switching bodies before getting into a relationship. Really didn't understand the point and most definitely didn't read it. Not my taste. Yeah, any quick look at Wikipedia or some similar site would make it clear that Blaise is a male name. Maybe the people didn't know and then just assumed? I know there are names that are more gender neutral, and that some are used for different genders in different countries, but Blaise doesn't seem to fall into these categories. No, fearing Hermione and then challenging Minerva makes no sense whatsoever - save you are suicidal And Sirius would stand up to Molly if needed. He did in canon, too, after all. Never mind Hermione and Ginny! Ah yes, another of these points! After Azkaban, he would not just behave as childish and immature as he was with, say, 15. I can see him still having a good sense of humour after having some time to get over his imprisonment, but he's got to be much more mature than some people write him. Plus, why portray people Remus as the only intelligent Marauder and Sirius (and James) as idiot? McGonagall and Dumbledore both made it clear that Sirius was intelligent, after all. There's a reason why I like "A Marauder's Plan" by CatsAreCool quite a bit right now. |
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 5, 2012 8:45:35 GMT -5
I understand it if it's a "what if Harry was born a girl" thing but not when he changes gender dure to a potion or something. Once I've seen a story where, if I understood the summary correctly, by some potions or similar mishap Harry and some girl were switching bodies before getting into a relationship. Really didn't understand the point and most definitely didn't read it. Not my taste. Yeah, any quick look at Wikipedia or some similar site would make it clear that Blaise is a male name. Maybe the people didn't know and then just assumed? I know there are names that are more gender neutral, and that some are used for different genders in different countries, but Blaise doesn't seem to fall into these categories. No, fearing Hermione and then challenging Minerva makes no sense whatsoever - save you are suicidal And Sirius would stand up to Molly if needed. He did in canon, too, after all. Never mind Hermione and Ginny! Ah yes, another of these points! After Azkaban, he would not just behave as childish and immature as he was with, say, 15. I can see him still having a good sense of humour after having some time to get over his imprisonment, but he's got to be much more mature than some people write him. Plus, why portray people Remus as the only intelligent Marauder and Sirius (and James) as idiot? McGonagall and Dumbledore both made it clear that Sirius was intelligent, after all. There's a reason why I like "A Marauder's Plan" by CatsAreCool quite a bit right now. What is the point in that? Why would they swap bodies first? I don't mind where Harry and someone else swap bodies really but it has to be an accident and they can't enjoy it, wlthough that's turning into a bit of a cliche now, along with Harry and someone else getting stuck together via some body part (usually a hand). I actually quite like those ones but they a lot of them aren't written all that well. If Sirius wasn't smart he couldn't have become an animagus. He and James both are described as some of the smartest in their year at Hogwarts, often being at the top of their class. And yeah, eventually he'd fall into his old sense of humour but I imagine it would be a little more sarcastic than it used to be. |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 5, 2012 9:06:55 GMT -5
Yeah, that summary left me shaking my head. Strange idea.
Exactly! That's why I always wonder why so many see them as stupid. And I agree about Sirius being more sarcastic; he has to be after all he went through. I just wish he had gotten a better life; I'll never forgive JKR for demolishing his character so much in OotP and killing him off on top of it.
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 5, 2012 9:30:46 GMT -5
Neither will I. He never really got to live at all. He was trapped at home with a family that hated him and found hima disappointment, then was at school, then was fighting in a war for a couple years, wrongly imprisoned for 12 years, on the run eating rats for a year worrying about his godson's safety and then locked in his hated childhood house for his last year. One of the worst things that could have happened to him for his sanity.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 5, 2012 9:49:46 GMT -5
Don't forget being taunted by Snape during that last year and insulted by Molly.
And JKR's explanation that he had to die because Harry otherwise would not have gone on the Horcrux hunt never made any sense to me. He was never one to hide behind adults, so why should he have done it now?
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 5, 2012 10:10:48 GMT -5
A cliche I've seen is Vernon sexually abusing Harry. I'll read it if its done well, but I have to extend my suspension of disbelief even more than usual to enjoy a fic with that in it.
Abused!Harry is part of my personal cannon. Verbally, emotionally and physically. I draw the line at sexual abuse, though. Simply because Vernon doesn't strike me as a pedophile. A mean-spirited pig-man who has no right to raise kids, but not a pedophile.
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 5, 2012 10:26:53 GMT -5
I agree, I don't see him as a pedophile but I will read it if it's well done and vital to the plot. If a fic starts off with that though I generally won't read it as that's very cliche now, with Harry laying on his bed in a terrible state from the abuse. Horrible way to start a fic.
What about Marge physically abusing him? And the Dursleys turning a blind eye?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 5, 2012 10:31:12 GMT -5
Yeah, while I believe there was probably a bit more going on than canon shows, I don't think there was sexual abuse included. But JKR was rather glossing over the situation - am I the only one who got the feeling the books say that abuse is ok and there's no need to run to the adults to seek help? So, I could see at least some slaps or spankings for no good reason. After all, Petunia tried to hit Harry with a frying pan on the head (!), and with Vernon's temper I can totally see him losing control and hitting Harry sometimes.
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Post by biakit on Jun 5, 2012 10:42:16 GMT -5
Abused!Harry is one of my favorites, I really enjoy when somehow people discover this, I like to see their reactions and all, mainly Sirius and Remus. I can't see Vernon as a pedophile, but sometimes when I like the summary I read, what I really don't like is when Harry becomes a total mary-sue because of the abuse he suffered. For me it's clear that the way the Durleys treated Harry made him stronger in the end.
I like when Marge is included, but not as the main abuser, I like when she's with the Durleys in the abuse, because she's so unpleasant that she'd make the abuse Harry suffers even worse.
But what part do you think Dudley has in this abuse?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 5, 2012 10:50:27 GMT -5
Dudley is the one who is shown in canon to get at least slightly physical - showing Harry to the floor and all that, and we know he beat that 10-year-old up in OotP. So, I suspect he did his deal. His parents would have encouraged him, and even if not, we know their Dinky Duddidums can do no wrong. Add his gang of bullies, and I doubt it was just intimidation ...
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 5, 2012 10:52:00 GMT -5
I think Dudley is just as abused in the opposite direction tbh. He won't know how to handle real life, in my opinion.
Vernon strangled Harry for goodness sake! And threw Harry bodily out of the room. There's definitely abuse going on there.
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Post by ivanjedi on Jun 5, 2012 10:57:16 GMT -5
Probably isn't the best place to ask but... with the ongoing 'reading books' purge on FF.net i began searching for a source of information regarding which authors and publishers allow such stories, but didn't have any luck. Can someone help me? I'm interested in writing 'reading books' on the Star Wars movie novelizations
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 5, 2012 11:08:53 GMT -5
True, that's what I used to say. Dudley is going to have a *very* rude awakening when he one day has to get a job and finds out that there are people who don't fall over backwards to accommodate his every whim, and that the word NO has to apply to him, too. That boy is really not prepared for real life at all. Not that Petunia would ever understand what she did to her precious baby.
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 5, 2012 11:12:22 GMT -5
I just can't understand how a mother can let their child get that big or get away with those things. I can't wrap my head around the sort of mentality that would require. It actually boggles my mind.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 5, 2012 11:23:42 GMT -5
It makes you wonder about Petunia's sanity sometimes, doesn't it? She really should notice that her son is obese to the extreme and spoiled beyond all reason. Look at the tantrums he's throwing when he doesn't get his will - if you allow that once, or a few times, you'll never get out of that again. And what then??
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 5, 2012 11:39:09 GMT -5
And then you get an obese bully of a son who beats up the local ten year olds, graffiti's, destroys people's property, probably shoplifts, runs down old ladies, probably joyrides, and certainly doesn't respect you in the slightest.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 5, 2012 11:53:16 GMT -5
Exactly. And she still thinks he's an innocent little angel who couldn't harm a fly. Talk about delusional.
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Post by Serena R. Snape on Jun 5, 2012 12:06:58 GMT -5
Probably isn't the best place to ask but... with the ongoing 'reading books' purge on FF.net i began searching for a source of information regarding which authors and publishers allow such stories, but didn't have any luck. Can someone help me? I'm interested in writing 'reading books' on the Star Wars movie novelizations I found this link on google on authors and fanfics. Hope it helps. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 5, 2012 19:37:43 GMT -5
Abused!Harry is one of my favorites, I really enjoy when somehow people discover this, I like to see their reactions and all, mainly Sirius and Remus. I can't see Vernon as a pedophile, but sometimes when I like the summary I read, what I really don't like is when Harry becomes a total mary-sue because of the abuse he suffered. For me it's clear that the way the Durleys treated Harry made him stronger in the end. I like when Marge is included, but not as the main abuser, I like when she's with the Durleys in the abuse, because she's so unpleasant that she'd make the abuse Harry suffers even worse. But what part do you think Dudley has in this abuse? You've just hit on a personal pet peeve of mine! I absolutely abhor a seemingly flawless Harry. Harry is perfect the way he is, and his flaws make him human. I agree that the abuse made him stronger in the end. I like when Marge is included too, and like you, not to the extent of the Dursleys. I'm torn on how I view Dudley. Sometimes, I see him as a mere product of his parents and place him pretty low on the scale. But with others, I view him as a contributor. Not to the extent of Uncle Vernon, but it's still pretty bad. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 5, 2012 19:41:47 GMT -5
I agree, I don't see him as a pedophile but I will read it if it's well done and vital to the plot. If a fic starts off with that though I generally won't read it as that's very cliche now, with Harry laying on his bed in a terrible state from the abuse. Horrible way to start a fic. What about Marge physically abusing him? And the Dursleys turning a blind eye? I don't think they turn a blind eye, myself. I think they find whatever she does to be amusing most of the time. For example, they knew that Harry was being kept up in a tree because of Ripper. Dudley laughed his fat butt off at that. I think Vernon and Petunia laughed along with him. Marge probably isn't a main contributor to abuse, but I do see her as someone who takes pleasure in causing him pain. She's a horrible person, and a female copy of her brother. |
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 5, 2012 21:04:49 GMT -5
Abused!Harry is one of my favorites, I really enjoy when somehow people discover this, I like to see their reactions and all, mainly Sirius and Remus. I can't see Vernon as a pedophile, but sometimes when I like the summary I read, what I really don't like is when Harry becomes a total mary-sue because of the abuse he suffered. For me it's clear that the way the Durleys treated Harry made him stronger in the end. I like when Marge is included, but not as the main abuser, I like when she's with the Durleys in the abuse, because she's so unpleasant that she'd make the abuse Harry suffers even worse. But what part do you think Dudley has in this abuse? You've just hit on a personal pet peeve of mine! I absolutely abhor a seemingly flawless Harry. Harry is perfect the way he is, and his flaws make him human. I agree that the abuse made him stronger in the end. I like when Marge is included too, and like you, not to the extent of the Dursleys. I'm torn on how I view Dudley. Sometimes, I see him as a mere product of his parents and place him pretty low on the scale. But with others, I view him as a contributor. Not to the extent of Uncle Vernon, but it's still pretty bad. I read an excellent fanfic with Harry's abuse being revealed. i cannot remember the name anymore, but in the story, Sirius was alive and had escaped Azkaban. He stole a wand and went to Privet where he forced the Dursley's to adopt him as Padfoot after staging a scene where he saved Dudley. He moved in with Harry in the cupboard and was making life easier by scaring Dudley off from and making the Dursley's treat Harry better. At the same time, he gives Harry nightly lessons, When Harry's school discovers how advanced his education is, they proclaim him a genius. Then Dudley in a fit of rage and jealousy pushes Harry down the stairs almost killing him. The entire story was set up so beautifully that not only do you think of Dudley as a product of his parents, but also a contributor to the abuse. The sad thing for Dudley was that he was a bit of both, which was why he had become so destructive. Damn, if only I could remember the name, I really want to read the fic now. |
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Post by G. Novella on Jun 5, 2012 21:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by Serena R. Snape on Jun 5, 2012 21:36:21 GMT -5
Oooh! I love teacherbev's stories! Especially the Growing Up Snape series! I'm so sad she's not updating them anymore. |
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 7, 2012 16:31:39 GMT -5
OH OH OH! I am LOVING our rank system!!! I'm guessing PG changed it? We had something like that on a forum I was on a couple years ago except they all pertained to Eragon like: Villager, Razac, Urgal, Shade, Shadeslayer, Dragon Rider etc.
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Post by Dimcairien on Jun 7, 2012 16:34:48 GMT -5
Lucky you who aren't mods.  Perhaps the mods and administrators can be professors. |
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