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Post by brokenquill92 on Jul 14, 2012 10:24:52 GMT -5
We all agree the Wizarding worlds prejudice against werewolves is unfounded but what about the registration act? To what extent do people have a right to know if they live near, hire, marry, or are interacting with a potential safety risk? Even if said risk is only once a month? Or does registration simply encourage and promote prejudices? Please give me your thoughts.
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 14, 2012 10:58:52 GMT -5
I think the registration simply promotes prejudice unfortunately, but after Voldemort's final defeat, then that might change, especially with Hermione whipping the Ministry into shape.
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 14, 2012 11:32:17 GMT -5
The idea is logical, but the practice is prejudiced.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 14, 2012 11:54:18 GMT -5
Well said Vira.
The idea is solid, and could have so much potential for good, but the way it was used was corrupt. It's like, asking the disabled to register, but then using their disability against them to keep them from jobs and regular lives.
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Post by brokenquill92 on Jul 14, 2012 17:11:03 GMT -5
In the new Wizarding government should a reformed register continue?
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Post by lucyolsen on Jul 14, 2012 17:23:11 GMT -5
Some form of it must exist. While it is bad to use the information to discriminate and make their lives even more difficult, you also can't let a bunch of violent monsters run free once a month.
Unless the werewolf can show that they have a safe place to keep themselves during that night, the ministry should be involved either in providing a place to stay, or providing wolfsbane (or both).
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 14, 2012 17:42:17 GMT -5
I agree, if the register does continue, it should be used to allocate doses of Wolfsbane and places in safe houses for transformation, as well as a hospital for those werewolves who manage to injure themselves.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 15, 2012 0:47:27 GMT -5
Indeed. And in the case described by squid, if still someone was biten and newly infected, the number of suspects would be cut down considerably, because they know who was *not* out there. It could be a way to help the ones who think like Remus and don't want to hurt anyone, but find out the ones like Greyback who enjoy to inflict their precidament on others.
And I could see Harry set up a fund to help them, and find a potions master who's trying to find the final cure to lycanthropy by improving the wolfsbane.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 15, 2012 2:39:41 GMT -5
It could also be used to eliminate discrimination against the werewolf community and build a support group. The wolves could have a place to go if they're being discriminated against by an employer and they'd be able to meet other people in their condition and make like-minded friends. We all saw how beneficial a group was to Remus.
On another note, could a female werewolf have a baby?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 15, 2012 2:59:58 GMT -5
Oh yes, another benefit of such a registration. If handled as a help, not to discriminate, I could really see it as a good thing. Just make sure people like Umbitch are kept light years away.
Hm. Biologically, maybe, but ... what happens to the baby during the monthly transformations? Would it be harmed? And what if a transformation around the birth date is forcing the labour? If the baby comes during or around the transformation? It would be another immense strain on the mother. So, I fear even if it should be biologically possible, it wouldn't be very wise. Sadly.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 15, 2012 3:02:33 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking. The entire idea of a place to get support made me think of the female werewolves and their happiness, they'd never get a child.. That's so sad for them.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 15, 2012 3:06:41 GMT -5
It is. Even more reason to find a cure  Actually, that's something I see Harry doing (and Sirius, if he survives) after Voldemort and with him the most important thing is out of the way. Use the Potter and Black money to get one or a few of the best potions masters and give them the means to find a cure, and in the meantime help the werewolves to find shelter and wolfsbane potion, and maybe even jobs. |
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 15, 2012 3:09:01 GMT -5
Agrees, I got to go, I'll be on later in the evening, a day of book shopping  |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 15, 2012 6:06:34 GMT -5
Ah, sounds like the perfect way to spend a sunday |
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Post by brokenquill92 on Jul 15, 2012 7:12:50 GMT -5
It could also be used to eliminate discrimination against the werewolf community and build a support group. The wolves could have a place to go if they're being discriminated against by an employer and they'd be able to meet other people in their condition and make like-minded friends. We all saw how beneficial a group was to Remus. On another note, could a female werewolf have a baby? I doubt and fetus could survive the transformation each month it wold most likely die |
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 15, 2012 7:28:13 GMT -5
True, but they could get a surrogate mother to carry a child, or adopt, that way the female werewolf gets to know what it's like being a mother, and the child is safe from dying during the pregnancy.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 15, 2012 8:02:52 GMT -5
They'd probably have to go to the muggle world, or find a muggleborn whose parents don't want a magical child, because the purebloods have already barely enough children to keep their own lines going. Save they can take in some war orphans, but for that, they first need to fight the prejudices, I suspect.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 15, 2012 11:25:17 GMT -5
I read somewhere that the werewolf thing was an allusion to Aids. Do you guys think this is true?
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Post by brokenquill92 on Jul 15, 2012 11:28:19 GMT -5
I read somewhere that the werewolf thing was an allusion to Aids. Do you guys think this is true? More than likely my own mother met a friend of mine whi has AIDs and mum wouldn't touch her I was so embarrassed my friend wouldn't talk to me for weeks I cried |
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Post by Ithiarel on Jul 15, 2012 11:37:40 GMT -5
I read somewhere that the werewolf thing was an allusion to Aids. Do you guys think this is true? Well, yes. It's a similarity that I think about quite often, to be honest. Both are illnesses spread by blood, saliva, and generally bodily fluids. Of course, there are a whole lot more illnesses that are spread that way, but prejudice against HIV positive people is very strong, even though being HIV positive doesn't mean being a danger to anyone. In some ways, lycanthropy actually seems to be more harmless. A werewolf is only really dangerous a few days a month, and outside of these days he's not even infectious. HIV though can be transmitted any time. This whole "werewolf registration" thing rubs me wrong. Maybe it's just me being a German. But you don't go around registering people because of a physical disposition or illness. We don't register HIV positive people. Heck, we don't even publicize lists of known pedophiles because it would invade their privacy and be a violation of the Human rights. |
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Post by teflonbilly on Jul 22, 2012 0:47:05 GMT -5
Whiel JKR has written that she portrayed the plight of lycanthropy sufferers to be allegorical to the trials of real world AIDS sufferers, it isn't a very good allegory.
AIDS sufferers do not turn into rampaging beasts with an instinctually and mystical drive to kill and infect as many humans as possible once a month.
It's just a simple fact, minus the wolfsbane potion, werewolves are not some sort of benign public health problem. They are real threat to public safety.
Now, again, in so far as hard logic can be brought into JKR's Potterverse, Greyback would have been put down like the rapid dog that he was years (decades) before Harry's time. He very well might have been able to infect several dozen people, but it just denies any semblance of the reality of human society that a murderous beast like him could have continued to exist for as long as he did. Especially as any wizarding parent with a moderate level of magical ability could have subdued/killed him.
Werewolf registration makes perfect logical sense as a reasonable magical public health measure.
The overt discrimation that is portrayed in the HP universe makes no sense other than blatant prejudice.
TB
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Post by ArturiusRex8 on Jul 22, 2012 13:18:10 GMT -5
Really? Murderous 'beasts' can't exist for long in society? What about Jack the Ripper? Ted Bundy? Gary Ridgway? Jeffrey Dahmer?
Considering Lockhart's (false) claims for subduing a werewolf by himself aren't looked at as, "Any 'Average Joe' could do that!" it probably takes a very skillful wizard to take down a werewolf with zero collateral damage.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 22, 2012 14:33:48 GMT -5
But they didn't know who was behind the murders until they were caught. With Fenrir, everyone knew. And he rampaged for thirty years.
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Post by ericus on Jul 22, 2012 15:22:36 GMT -5
It could also be used to eliminate discrimination against the werewolf community and build a support group. The wolves could have a place to go if they're being discriminated against by an employer and they'd be able to meet other people in their condition and make like-minded friends. We all saw how beneficial a group was to Remus. On another note, could a female werewolf have a baby? I doubt and fetus could survive the transformation each month it wold most likely die So female anamagi should have stop to transformation under 9 months? |
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Post by Dimcairien on Jul 22, 2012 15:38:04 GMT -5
I doubt and fetus could survive the transformation each month it wold most likely die So female anamagi should have stop to transformation under 9 months? I would assume that there is a major difference between transforming into one's Animagus form than transforming into a werewolf. The main one would be that an Animagus transformation is a willing one, whereas the werewolf transofmation is unwilling. You do raise a good point though as the biological change could mess things up. |
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 22, 2012 15:50:47 GMT -5
While I think they can have children, it would be a lot harder. The two female animagi we see are McGonagall and Skeeter. While I think Skeeter anyways didn't want kids, McGonagall must have. The fact that she chose a job with kids says she prefers them. And she was married until her husband passed in the war. By then I think she would be an Animagus because she'd be, what, thirty-forty maybe? I'm presuming that the embryo requires to be stabilized in the human body or the animal body (but that leads to a bestiality theory) based on the sperm injected. And the transformation would force a miscarriage since the embryo can't ahift (i.e children aren't born animagi) and since it takes a few weeks for pregnancy signs to show... |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 22, 2012 15:56:55 GMT -5
Or maybe Minerva is just infertile. |
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 22, 2012 16:08:56 GMT -5
Maybe, bur I kind of picture Skeeter as a loose woman, and she must have had some kind of pregnancy scare...
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 22, 2012 16:14:05 GMT -5
Actually, we don't know a lot about her... she might actually have a kid or two - maybe they're grown up by now. Or, maybe she didn't want to be tied down by a kid...
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 22, 2012 16:17:19 GMT -5
Probably the latter, she never came off as the type to like kids. I think she loved her career more.
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