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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 30, 2012 18:02:18 GMT -5
Yes, but he never meant for her to hear. Not that it makes it right, but do you really think he thought she'd be attacked? Again, he's eleven and has been teased/tricked by older brothers his whole life. He didn't really expect her to get hurt.
Yes, but in first and second year they were still really getting to know each other. In third year it was less about how smart she was and more about the fact that she was being stuck up about Crookshanks and going behind Ron and Harry's backs to tell on them to McG. (while her heart was decidedly in the right place, he had every right to get upset) In fourth year, there was that whole Inferiority Complex thing with Harry and her going out with Krum (he must have liked by then) jealousy things. Not to mention, this is Ron and Hermione. They're going to argue. It's in their nature.
And, yes, he wanted her to do his homework. So did Harry! But that's not that only reason he wanted her around! Honestly, if the brightest witch of your age had the ability and desire to do/help you with your homework, wouldn't you want them to?
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jun 30, 2012 19:08:02 GMT -5
and i got the impression in 5th and 6th year that in some situations Hermione loved it when Ron begged her to help him with his homework.
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Post by physicssquid on Jun 30, 2012 19:24:11 GMT -5
I thought he wanted her to do it for him, so that he didn't have to. And Harry didn't always ask for help. There is so much time JK missed, that Harry could have been doing his homework on his own with no trouble, and we wouldn't know.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jun 30, 2012 19:31:29 GMT -5
and why could that idea not apply to Ron as well?
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 30, 2012 19:39:08 GMT -5
Exactly, thank you, ykickamoocow.
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Post by physicssquid on Jun 30, 2012 19:39:24 GMT -5
I got the impression that Ron was a lazy git, who wanted to play chess or talk about Quidditch instead of doing homework.
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 30, 2012 19:44:39 GMT -5
Well, seeing as how he's got an Inferiority Complex, I don't blame him for wanting to do the two things he's best at, over something he's not. And he's not a lazy git. Lazy gits don't go for runs across the grounds and through the Forbidden Forest to save their friends.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jun 30, 2012 20:04:44 GMT -5
I got the impression that Ron was a lazy git, who wanted to play chess or talk about Quidditch instead of doing homework. Also you don't have a career as a Auror by being lazy. By the sounds of it it is one of the most demanding professions in the magical world. Also even JKR said in Pottermore (with Ron's wand wood) that Ron had more untapped potential than pretty much anyone and once Ron got over his insecurities Ron would begin to realise that potential. |
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Post by physicssquid on Jun 30, 2012 20:06:53 GMT -5
I got the impression that Ron was a lazy git, who wanted to play chess or talk about Quidditch instead of doing homework. Also you don't have a career as a Auror by being lazy. By the sounds of it it is one of the most demanding professions in the magical world. Also even JKR said in Pottermore (with Ron's wand wood) that Ron had more untapped potential than pretty much anyone and once Ron got over his insecurities Ron would begin to realise that potential. I did say it was only an impression. He did grow up a lot during the books, so of course he would change between his first year and the crapilogue. |
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Post by sherza on Jun 30, 2012 20:11:25 GMT -5
except he didn't.
He still thought it was ok/funny/whatever to confund/obliviate/whatever the hell a Muggle to get his way, rather than study appropriately to pass a test.
Yeah ... that's some real change, there. Makes me wonder just how hard he had to actually work to become an Auror. After all, he was Ron Weasley, friend to Harry Potter. He could probably have showed up with his wand stuck in his butt and still gotten a badge. *eyeroll*
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Post by physicssquid on Jun 30, 2012 20:14:46 GMT -5
except he didn't. He still thought it was ok/funny/whatever to confund/obliviate/whatever the hell a Muggle to get his way, rather than study appropriately to pass a test. Yeah ... that's some real change, there. Makes me wonder just how hard he had to actually work to become an Auror. After all, he was Ron Weasley, friend to Harry Potter. He could probably have showed up with his wand stuck in his butt and still gotten a badge. *eyeroll* Exactly, he forgot to look in a mirror on his driving test, so took the easy way out by confunding the examiner. That doesn't mean he didn't put his all into the fights he got into when he became an Auror, and I don't think the Auror trainers would just let him sit around doing nothing just because he was Harry's friend. They probably wouldn't even let Harry sit around doing nothing even with the fact that he killed Voldemort. |
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 30, 2012 20:15:49 GMT -5
What? He gave a perfectly good explanation for that, so good that his WIFE (who he so obviously only wanted around so she could do his homework), HERMIONE, was appeased. No arguments.
Oh, and I'm sure all he did was show up. Can you see the people who worked with Mad-Eye Moody doing that? Honestly? What book have y'all been reading?
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Post by lucyolsen on Jun 30, 2012 20:47:41 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing with you, but Hermione was not appeased, because Hermione did not know. He whispered what he had done to Harry so she would not hear.
If she would have agreed with him or not, to me, the charm that Ron mentioned seems even better than a mirror, since he would probably be able to see in the car's blind spots with it.
But he definitely knows what all those buttons and knobs on the car do (it seems like he's known since he was 12). And he certainly passed the written exam without cheating, so that means that he studied. He did not at all have the benefit of growing up surrounded by those confusing muggle contraptions, and he seems to have done ok with them anyway.
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 30, 2012 20:50:17 GMT -5
See? Ron's a cool guy. (And thank you, lucy, for reminding me of that, it's been awhile since I read the books  |
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 30, 2012 21:15:22 GMT -5
How was 3rd year Ron's fault with Scabbers and Croolshanks? Ron wanted his pet safe but Hermione didn't care at all about Ron's pet. Or is it because Scabbers was Peter so it's a moot point?
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 30, 2012 21:16:35 GMT -5
Hmm, that's a tough one. Jeez, pets, stop being so complicated!  |
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jun 30, 2012 21:17:41 GMT -5
Despite her scolding him for it i highly doubt Hermione would ever want Ron to fully mature as i think she would like that slightly childish element of his personality even when he is nearing 40 years old. Ron is still a adult and still capable of being very mature if the need is there but he is still going to be the type who when he doesn't need to be mature is still going to joke around and do silly things. Hermione would want that as that is a aspect of Ron's personality that she loves (his humour).
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 30, 2012 21:28:46 GMT -5
I agree with you ykickamoocow. Hermione needs someone like Ron who makes sure Hermione doesn't take everything so seriously and blow off steam.
AllyJackson-Yes pets are complicated
About the Dramione discussion from earlier I don't have a problem with it. I probably won't read any serious Dramione fics since I can't really see them together except in AVPM/S but I can understand why people like it. It has the Romeo/Juliet feel for me.
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 30, 2012 21:30:52 GMT -5
But those two died . . . after knowing each other for a couple of days . . . and wasn't he way older than her?
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Post by sherza on Jun 30, 2012 21:33:19 GMT -5
... Hermione, highly intelligent, driven Hermione *wants* a fool, clown, and immature git a her husband? Ummm, no.
Firstly ... just because there was a spell that could do the job of a wing mirror better does not mean that Ron gets off the hook. He was trying to learn a muggle method of transportation, and needed to stick to the muggle rules. And since I know for a fact that you don't get failed at driving for failing to look in a wing mirror *once* ... it's a symptom of a larger problem. Ron didn't study sufficiently and rather than go back and fix the problem, he went 'aww hell. I'm magic, you're muggle, who cares!'.
Secondly, as for Ron just showing up and getting a job ...
This is THE MINISTRY. These are the idiots that thought UMBRIDGE and freaking Macnair were good employees. They had Ludo Bagman as a head of department, for god's sake, and the man was useless! They had Bertha Jorkins as an employee ... someone who had been, for some unknown amount of time previous to her death, got passed from department to depatment as useless baggage rather than fired. *eyeroll* Furthermore, pretty much 90% of the existing, trained Aurors bit it during the fighting ... Ron pretty much literally had only to show up and say 'I wanna be an Auror' and so long as he knew what the hell his name was, he was in.
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 30, 2012 21:47:56 GMT -5
Oh, that explains why she married him and had two kids with him. Because she didn't want to. Um, what?  He's not a fool, he's immature at times, but then, so are Hermione, Harry, Fred, George, Ginny, Sirius, need I go on? Please don't tell me you're one of those gits who belive he "bullied" her into marriage or slipped her a love potion? Because Hermione, highly intelligent, driven Hermione would not be bullied or tricked into marriage with a man she does not want. Especially after surviving Bellatrix. Am I right? Or . . . he freaked. We know Ron has an Inferiority Complex, how do you think Ron would feel if he had to go back to Hermione and tell her he failed? When he could fix it in a second and just do better in the future? Oh, yeah I'm sure. I'd like to take this moment to point out that none of your examples of Ministry people were examples of Aurors. And with Kingsley as Minister, even if that were temporary, do you really think Ron could (or even would?) just wave his name around and immediately get in? I was under the impression that we were talking about Ron, not Lucius. |
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Post by sherza on Jun 30, 2012 21:56:21 GMT -5
Without resorting to 'the author was an idiot for putting the two of them together, in what she admitted openly was a pity pairing' ... Amortentia. 'nuff said. Molly sure as hell knows how to make it, or some other love potion. That's how she nabbed Arthur (which is a whole other rant, let me tell you). All it'd take is a moment's inattention to nab her, too. (or anyone for that matter) ... it's not like she's Moody and guards her food and drink.
So ... because he has an inferiority complex, he can do whatever he wants? He gets to be a pathetic loser all his days and never have to man up? Puhleeze. He's in his late thirties in the Epilogue, and an Auror. Surely by now he's finally grown a pair?
As for none of them being Aurors ... one word. Dawlish. And I merely highlighted the fact that the Ministry is not overly concerned with the competence of its employees. Combine that with the fact that the Auror Corps would be in dire need of recruits, and yes, Ron could pretty much literally have just shown up and got hired. How the hell else do you explain him and Harry both being hired when neither of them sat their NEWTS?
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 30, 2012 22:05:55 GMT -5
You've got to be effing kidding me. So Molly got Arthur through Amortentia and had seven kids with him? Oh, silly me! That explains it all! And don't you think that Hermione, highly intelligent, driven Hermione would know a love potion if she saw one? Or did you conveniently forget that you can *smell* Amortentia and that it was Hermione who was chosen to say outloud what Amortentia did! You're kidding right? Because noone else would notice that Hermione was on a love potion? No one? Or would they simply not care? You try to tell me she's intelligent and he's stupid and then turn right back around and say he was clever enough to trick into drinking a love potion!
*facepalm* The epilogue came *nineteen* years after the war. Don't you think that they would have gone back and gone through that year of school? Especially seeing as how they're best friends with Hermione, highly intelligent, driven Hermione, who can be tricked into marriage by a fool, a clown, and an immature git. Oh, and I suppose he had time during the war to give her that love potion so that she'd kiss him? Funny thing, that, being in that middle of the war. 'Oh, hey, Hermione want to drink this thing that smells suspiciously of Amortentia?' 'Sure, git, I'd love to!' As you seem to find enjoyment in saying: um . . . no.
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jun 30, 2012 22:07:05 GMT -5
Explain this then. It is the description of the Willow Wand Wood which is the wood of the wand that picked Ron
Willow Wood
Willow is an uncommon wand wood with healing power, and I have noted that the ideal owner for a willow wand often has some (usually unwarranted) insecurity, however well they may try and hide it. While many confident customers insist on trying a willow wand (attracted by their handsome appearance and well-founded reputation for enabling advanced, non-verbal magic) my willow wands have consistently selected those of greatest potential, rather than those who feel they have little to learn. It has always been a proverb in my family that he who has furthest to travel will go fastest with willow.
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 30, 2012 22:08:51 GMT -5
Thank you, ykickamoocow. I appreciate your help.  |
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Post by sherza on Jun 30, 2012 22:13:18 GMT -5
Firstly ... Amortentia only smells when it's undiluted. Put in a drink, there's no knowing if the smell would still be detectable.
Secondly, it's only one known love potion. There seem to be a lot of others, and for all we know, one or more of them is tasteless/scentless and colorless, easy to put in a gal's morning tea/pumpkin juice/coffee, when she'd be not fully awake and aware.
And yes, Molly potioned Arthur ... or did you conveniently skip over that part of the books? She was LAUGHING about it, what's more. Maybe she stopped because she got caught, but the fact remains that she did it and Arthur married her ... and we don't know if he discovered the potioning before or after the marriage liscence was signed. Given we have no idea if divorce is allowed in the magical world (unlikely, given how behind the times they are), they could just have hashed it out and eventually gotten along for the kids' sake or something.
Blame JKR for that one. She never bothered to confirm that any of them went back for their NEWTS ... so we're left to assume they might not have.
Really, don't blame us for finding and running with the HUGE screwups that get made in the books. *snerk*. Those holes make it entirely too easy to have alternative explanations for practically every event in the books.
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 30, 2012 22:13:20 GMT -5
Where did it state Molly used a love potion to get Arthur? POA? It said she created one in her youth not who she used it on. I hate Molly with a passion but I don't think she used a love potion in cannon. Ron was hired because of the stuff he did in the war. 1st year went after the stone, 2nd year went to the Chamber and faced the Spiders, 3rd year stood up to a guy that he thought wanted to kill Harry, 4th year learned spells with Harry and Hermione before 3rd task, 4th year co-head of DA and fought at the DOM, 6th year fought at Hogwarts, 7th year, broke into the Ministry and Gringotts and fought at Hogwarts and destroyed a Horcrux. Ron had a damn good resume in my opinion. Better than anyone else that would enter. Besides grades don't matter 100% in the real world. Life experience counts as well and Ron has that. Ron also fought through his insecurities
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 30, 2012 22:17:06 GMT -5
Oh no, readinwizard, don't you see? Ron's a lazy git who could never accomplish anything as amazing as that! Sheesh, if you're going to bash someone, sherza, at least describe the person correctly.  |
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Post by ykickamoocow on Jun 30, 2012 22:20:17 GMT -5
A lot of people bash Ron because they were Harry/Hermione shippers or Draco/Hermione shippers (or they wanted Hermione with someone else) and because Hermione got together with Ron these people try and find ways to show that JKR was wrong and that Hermione could not possibly love Ron and want to be with Ron. Its much easier for them to try and convince themselves that Ron does not deserve Hermione and that JKR was wrong than simply accepting that their prefered pairing (whatever that is) was never going to happen as Hermione only had romantic and sexual feelings for Ron.
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Post by AllyJackson on Jun 30, 2012 22:22:52 GMT -5
That's sad, that is. I shipped Borra while LoK was coming out but I don't bash Mako because my ship didn't end up canon. (Bad example if you've never seen the Legend of Korra, sorry) |
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He's not a fool, he's immature at times, but then, so are Hermione, Harry, Fred, George, Ginny, Sirius, need I go on? Please don't tell me you're one of those gits who belive he "bullied" her into marriage or slipped her a love potion? Because Hermione, highly intelligent, driven Hermione would not be bullied or tricked into marriage with a man she does not want. Especially after surviving Bellatrix. Am I right?