Stories you don't understand why they are so popul

[AllyJackson]

The quote is on the previous page. For all we know, it was part of the curriculum for seventh year. The quote only said that she was telling Hermione and Ginny about a potion she'd made and that they were giggling. Nowhere did it say the potion was ever used.

[readingwizard4]

Jun 30, 2012 22:45:09 GMT -5 readingwizard4 said:

The Love potion tale was told in POA, the chapter was the Dementor. The passage is as follows

They headed down to breakfast, where Mr. Weasley was reading the front page of the Daily Prophet with a furrowed brow and Mrs. Weasley was telling Hermione and Ginny about a love potion she'd made as a young girl. All three of them were rather giggly.

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From Dimcairiens story. No mention of pointing at Arthur. Unless you can direct me to a passage in the books I won't believe it. Was it in the movies? They changed so much in them that it's hard to take them seriously like the books.

Sokka and Suki were great together. They remind me of Ron and Hermione except in reverse. Iroh and Tea do go together so well. He was annoyed Zuko for insulting it at one point. Toph is a big question mark. Leia and Han do go together. I was referring to the Expanded Universe where my favorite ships are Luke and Mara and Anakin Solo and Tahiri. List some. It won't bore me. I might not know some of them but it'll give me stuff to look into

Here is the quote again. It was on page 3 now it is on page 5. Only giggling. No pointing to Arthur, nothing. While Ginny isn't one of my favorite characters I refuse to think that she would find it funny that her dad was under a love potion from her mom. The wizarding world is messed up but not that messed up. Children take it hard when they learn that their parents are divorcing even grown ups. There is no way Ginny even remotely found that funny if that is the reason. She might have gone through the Chamber incident but that wouldn't change her that much

[AllyJackson]

Exactly. Be reasonable, people.

[physicssquid]

Yes, the Chamber incident wouldn't change her much, but it would at least start to strip away some of her childish innocence. Like with Harry stopping Voldemort at the end of the previous year, those events wouldn't leave her completely unscathed, and I doubt that losing some of her innocence would make her consider using love potion on Harry. That just seems too extreme to me.
Plus, even if Molly had used the love potion she brewed on Arthur, that doesn't mean she would condone her daughter doing the same thing.

[AllyJackson]

I grow tired of all these theories that Weasleys can only get married if their loved ones are tricked into it. Not a single one of the Weasleys would even consider using a love potion to get married. That's not in their nature. Hell, it's not even in any of the Malfoy's natures. The only people I could ever see using a love potion for marriage would be Merope(obviously), Bellatrix, and possibly Romilda. Certainly not any of the Weasleys.

[lucyolsen]

So what if Ron is lazy? I do not have a problem with this. I am also lazy, and so I would consider anybody that did so much club activities and ran for class president an overachiever.

Hermione, on the other hand, might have said she had a problem with him being so lazy, but in reality, she would have had issues with anyone who did better than her in class, wouldn't she?

[physicssquid]

She definitely would, which might be why Harry didn't do his best. He probably didn't want to lose either of his friends, so didn't put his all into his work, because Hermione would have been unhappy if he did better than her, and Ron probably would have dumped him for supposedly being a worse know-it-all than Hermione.

[lucyolsen]

Harry's lack of effort probably has more to do with the Dursley's than it does his friends. There is no evidence, I feel, that Ron would have dropped Harry if he's had good grades. At the beginning, it would have been expected of him as the BWL. And Ron couldn't have been sad with two friends to help him with his homework, could he? Ron does call Hermione a "know it all" but it is just a bit of a joke by the end.

As for Harry not achieving because of Hermione. She could not have been the reason in the beginning, as they weren't even friends at that point. We don't see that she gets upset when Harry does better than her until he actually does, which is in 3rd year DADA.

[physicssquid]

But she did get upset when he outperformed her in Potions in sixth year. She even accused him of cheating, even though he was just using slightly different instructions.

[lucyolsen]

I'm not saying that she wouldn't have gotten upset, because obviously she did, and I was the first to point it out.

What I am saying is that it could not have been Harry's reason for under performing early on, since he couldn't have known early on that it would have gotten her upset, and that also they weren't even friends at first, so why would he care if it would have upset her or not?

[ykickamoocow]

Jul 1, 2012 11:53:09 GMT -5 physicssquid said:

But she did get upset when he outperformed her in Potions in sixth year. She even accused him of cheating, even though he was just using slightly different instructions.

Hermione only got upset because she was following the perscribed text and was doing everything the instructions told her to do and Harry was doing better because he had a book with better instructions. She was not angry that Harry was beating her as such but Hermione saw that the way Harry was beating her was cheating.

Either way Hermione was right about that book as Harry almost became a murderer because of it.

[physicssquid]

Yes, he should have thought about it before using that spell, but Draco was about to use the Cruciatus on him at the time. I think if I were in Harry's position, I'd lose my ability to think clearly if I saw a sixteen-year-old who I didn't like about to use a curse like that on me.

[ykickamoocow]

So Harry decided to use a spell that he had never tested and had no idea what it did other than it being used 'for enemies'. To me that is a exceptionally stupid thing to do especially when there were quite a few other spells he could have used that he knew what they did and knew he could cast them (and knew they were non lethal).

[physicssquid]

It was exceptionally stupid, and indeed he could, and should, have used something a little less lethal, but would you be able to think clearly in that sort of situation?

[ykickamoocow]

Jul 1, 2012 12:50:18 GMT -5 physicssquid said:

It was exceptionally stupid, and indeed he could, and should, have used something a little less lethal, but would you be able to think clearly in that sort of situation?

It wasn't Harry's first battle and he did not need to resort to lethal spells when he was in the Dept of Mysteries. I would think that the first spell that occurs to Harry to use would be a tried and tested spell, a spell he knows how to cast and knows exactly what it does rather than a unknown spell both in how to cast it and what it does precisely.

[physicssquid]

That would have required him to think clearly.
Even though he had been in fights before, they were against fully-trained Death Eaters who wouldn't hesitate to kill him. The fight with Draco wasn't, and he wasn't expecting it. The circumstances were completely different.

[ykickamoocow]

I still don't think they are that different. If it had been anyone other than Harry they would have been locked up in Azkaban for attempted murder for what happened in that bathroom.

[physicssquid]

And if the people making the laws didn't get paid off by Lucy, then so would Draco, especially if they found out that he was going to use the Cruciatus, and was half-way through the incantation for it. That makes it more difficult to put the blame on just one of the boys. Draco may have been nearly killed, but Harry was nearly tortured, by someone who was just under two months older than him.
Harry wasn't the only one at fault, even though Snape, who found them, probably didn't give Draco a detention.

[Kitty279]

Does anyone believe that Draco would have been punished for nearly killing Katie and Ron and bringing the Death Eaters into the school if Dumbledore had survived and Voldemort not taken control? Personally, I don't - Dumbledore would have protected that poor little Death Eater, as usual. We can't have them learning that actions have consequences, right? And Draco never learned that lesson, obviously, neither at home nor at school.

[readingwizard4]

I don't think Harry told anyone the whole story about what happened in the Bathroom. Shouldn't Draco have gotten in trouble for almost using the Cruciatus curse since it's a one way ticket to Azkaban? I think Harry did it to protect him or something like that.

I agree with you Kitty279. Dumbledore would have protected Draco no matter what. Hopefully it would have shattered Molly's faith to him if Dumbledore lived and Draco got off.

[Kitty279]

Draco should have gotten into trouble for almost using that curse, yes, but the keyword is almost. For Dumbledore that would have been proof enought that the poor little harmless kid didn't mean it, and Snape wouldn't punish him either, as Draco's a Slytherin and Death Eater. (Wouldn't it be interesting how things had been if the roles were reversed? Still Harry getting in trouble, probably?)

[readingwizard4]

Never mind that Harry stopped him before the curse was cast. Didn't mean it would be starting to say the curse but stopping it without any outside help. The tower scene counts more since Draco wanted to kill Dumbledore but couldn't and lowered his wand but I wouldn't get him off since he tried to kill Katie and Ron (Dumbledore gets him off since they were unintentional targets) and brought Death Eaters into Hogwarts

[Kitty279]

Exactly. If not for the guard, that last action could have ended in a bloodbath. In a school full of children, which makes it even more despicable.

[readingwizard4]

Dumbledore would have had a hard time trying to recover from that politically especially if Greyback bit people or was that if he was a werewolf or a person?. The parents would not want their children to return to Hogwarts if that was the case and you know the Ministry would have wanted his head since it appeared he was sympathetic to the Death Eater cause

[Kitty279]

Exactly. If not for Dumbledore's death and the takeover by Moldyshorts, I'd like to know the fallout of that incident!

As I understood it from Bill's example, Greyback would have had to be a werewolf to really turn someone. Bill was scarred, yes, and he developed a liking for rather raw meat, but he didn't become a werewolf himself.

[readingwizard4]

The fallout would have been of epic proportions. Thank god it wasn't the full moon then. Did we ever find out what happened to Lavender in the Final Battle? She was attacked by Greyback but it looked worse in the movie so that's why I wondered about the battle in the 6th book. I know the movie takes liberties that weren't in the book but it makes you wonder

[Kitty279]

And fun to read ... shame on JKR for cheating us out of it

No, I don't think it says anything. The book didn't make it clear what exactly happened, as far as I can tell. Like with all the others who fell and we don't know if they just went down for a moment, were stunned or died. That battle description was so vague in that regard, and the last chapter to tie up these loose threads didn't happen.

[readingwizard4]

The epilogue was such a disappointment the first time through though I did come to realize that it wasn't supposed to answer all of our questions. It was supposed to show us that Harry got his desire that he had in 1st year. To have a family

[Kitty279]

Sure, it was nice to know he got his family, but it was so dissatisfying to have that huge battle and then - whoops - 19 years later. No word about who survived, who did what, if the bad guys finally got their due ... I felt cheated by the end.

[physicssquid]

So did I.