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Post by lucyolsen on Jul 4, 2012 20:23:33 GMT -5
It must be something about being half giant, because there is absolutely no way a man who will spill everything while he is drunk will be good at occlumency.
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Post by sherza on Jul 4, 2012 20:35:33 GMT -5
I tend to agree.
Though ... people do some crazy stuff, when they're drunk off their ass, that they'd never consider doing sober. It's conceivable, if only marginally so, that this is true of Hagrid and he really does know some level of Occlumency.
That said, he'd be a BAD teacher for it, if he knows it. Harry knows him and trusts him, but Hagrid ... yeah. Not the best idea for a teacher. He couldn't even explain more than the extreme basics (missing out a great deal) about Voldie etc when he rescued Harry from the Dursleys. And let's not get into his CoMC teaching, shall we?
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Remus knew some Occlumency. One, he's heavily into DADA, where keeping things so your opponent can't fish your life story out of your head in a glance is a good idea. Two, I imagine that the whole 'clearing the mind' bit of Occlumency goes a long way to assisting with dealing with the wolf (and dealing with the prejudiced bigots Remus has to deal with too).
Fenrir wouldn't bother with Occlumency. One, it's a wizard's skill, and he hates wizards. Two, he revels in being completely out of control and ... yeah. Nope. Can't see him knowing it at all.
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 4, 2012 20:41:42 GMT -5
I think we're also forgetting the telephone. If anyone even tries to tell me a death eater would have the knowledge and interest to learn to tap a phone, they've never read Harry Potter.
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Post by sherza on Jul 4, 2012 20:45:58 GMT -5
Exactly. Though that one is predicated by Ron and Neville and whoever else might want to contact Harry learning to use the thing appropriately ... but surely Hermione could coach them?
And also ... WHY didn't Dumbledore arrange for Occlumency to start that summer, if he was so worried about the connection that he was already avoiding Harry before the summer was even over? WHY did he wait until *Christmas* to have Snape begin? That never made any sense to me.
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Post by emeraldink4blood on Jul 4, 2012 20:54:21 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that after Ron called Vernon would have a fit if anyone ever called for Harry ever again.
And honestly? You do realize that you are suggesting Muggle solutions? Why would they ever consider it. Don't hit me with the logic excuse for two reasons 1) Wizards don't have a strong suit for logic and 2) If you were raised completely magic not only do you not know of half these things but they are NOT going to be forefront in your mind when you're look for a solution.
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 4, 2012 20:57:14 GMT -5
Because Hermione, or Tonks could suggest it. And it wouldn't be impossible for the guard to hold the Dursleys at bay while Harry took the call, or even just go get Harry a cell phone.
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Post by emeraldink4blood on Jul 4, 2012 21:03:38 GMT -5
And don't giants have a resilience to magic?
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Post by sherza on Jul 4, 2012 21:24:42 GMT -5
Yes, Giants definitely do ... and Hagrid is shown to have a resistance to spells, when four Aurors fail to even come close to bringing him down, despite hitting him repeatedly with who-knows-what spells.
Also, yes, we're suggesting Muggle solutions, and no, a phone would not be ideal, but as viralic pointed out, Hermione would know about them, and she is far from shy at letting her knowledge and opinions be known.
And barring the use of any Muggle means, we still have the blatantly obvious, blatantly easy 'hand your letter to Moody/Tonks/Remus, and have them hand it to the recipient' solution. Surely *someone* could have thought of that one?
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 4, 2012 21:26:07 GMT -5
Because Hermione, or Tonks could suggest it. And it wouldn't be impossible for the guard to hold the Dursleys at bay while Harry took the call, or even just go get Harry a cell phone. The only person I can think of that would even dream of using a telephone would be Arthur. Even if Tonks or Hermione suggested it, wouldn't Ron's previous expreience make him wary of using the thing, and how do we know that anyone else would think that a telephone was worth anything? I always got the impression that Arthur seemed to think that Muggles were like children who needed to be sheltered, and that the inventions the Muggle world came up with were curiosities, rather than useful items that make life easier. If that's the attitude of a Weasley, then who's to say that the rest of the Order doesn't think the same? |
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Post by lucyolsen on Jul 4, 2012 21:41:58 GMT -5
I think that one of the reasons Harry trusted Hagrid so much is because he was just a big kid himself. I can't see someone like that being a good teacher at anything. Hagrid wasn't even good at teaching CoMC, even with how passionate he was about it himself.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 4, 2012 22:24:50 GMT -5
Not only that, but Hagrid bought Harry his first gift, was the first adult to show true kindness to him, and basically whisked him away from the Dursleys for a while. Of course he would be fond of Hagrid!
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 5, 2012 0:23:36 GMT -5
While the muggle communication ways would work, I can't see the Order using them very well. Sure, Hermione could explain, but we know that no one ever listens to the children. Remember, they are too young to know anything, including how to contact Harry. The Order guards should have handed letters over, which once again reinforces my impression that Dumbledore's main reason was not mail interception, but that he didn't want his pawn to know anything.
Besides, how stupid was it to just have Harry secretly guarded without his knowledge? What if he had noticed the guard, and one he didn't know? He'd thought that Voldemort's men are after him and freaked out, maybe even attacked. Dumbledore really has no sense whatsoever. Sherza's right, he should have sat Harry down at the end of the year and explained the whole thing to him. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
As for Occlumency, I always wondered if Sirius knew it, too. The Blacks strike me as someone who would know and use it out of fear that some of their "friends" could find out some of their dirty secrets. And he might have learned it to keep his parents out and maybe Dumbledore, to cover up pranks.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 5, 2012 0:26:21 GMT -5
I could actually see that happening. It would have probably been a lot better if Harry had learned from Sirius instead of Severus.
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Post by sherza on Jul 5, 2012 0:37:45 GMT -5
Hmmm ... Sirius is definitely a thought, because yeah, I can see the Blacks teaching that to their kids as a matter of course.
And Kitty, you definitely have a point about the guards. I can just SEE Harry noticing movement (we all know he's good at that) or smelling/hearing Mundungus (who stinks of booze a lot) or Tonks (who can't walk straightmost of the time), assuming the worst, and either hexing the crap out of them or taking a page out of his aunt's book and clobbering them with a frying pan.
Would make for a hysterically funny conversation when the dust cleared. I am getting the mental visual of Dumbledore, some random Order member with a goose egg on their head, and an irate Harry, and it's cracking me up.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 5, 2012 0:41:57 GMT -5
Oh man, now I can't stop laughing! *chuckles*
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Post by sherza on Jul 5, 2012 1:22:45 GMT -5
Having a vivid and detailed imagination has its uses. *grin*
Of course, it also means you end up needing strong brain bleach a bit more often, but then, you can't have everything.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 5, 2012 2:06:33 GMT -5
Sirius would have been a hell of a lot better, no matter who the better teacher is. Harry trusts him and would have listened, plus, he'd at least explain everything.
Now you have done it, Sherza, I'm laughing my head off in the middle of my office! The image of Harry taking Dung out with a frying pan is too funny! I'd pay to see that ;D And the little thief would even deserve it.
But yeah, Harry can be very perceptive, I believe the only reason he didn't notice his guards was because he was so preoccupied thinking about his friends being together and in the know while he was stuck there, and thinking about Cedric and worrying about Voldemort. That had to be distracting. Had he noticed the guard ... it wouldn't have been pretty.
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Post by mkatl1 on Jul 5, 2012 2:15:41 GMT -5
Lol that's so funny that picture. Injures up in my mind having Harry hit him over the head :/ death by frying pan lol
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Post by Dimcairien on Jul 5, 2012 2:22:32 GMT -5
sherza: I took that little idea an ran with it, not Dung getting clobbered with a frying pan, but Tonks getting hexed. Here's the link to the story. www.fanfiction.net/s/8287675/1/ |
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 5, 2012 2:40:57 GMT -5
In Harry Potter and the Summer of Change, Tonks gets taken out with Harry's wand, although no spell is used lol
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Post by mkatl1 on Jul 5, 2012 2:47:06 GMT -5
Conjures. Not injures .. Lol
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Post by sherza on Jul 5, 2012 3:11:48 GMT -5
D'awwwwwwwwwww
you guys like me. You really like me! *blushes madly*
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 5, 2012 3:20:21 GMT -5
Ha, Dimcairien, that was fun to read. Already posted a proper review over at FFN, but I want to repeat that I like it  We should do that more often, write one-shots to honour some of the better images we come up with here  |
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 5, 2012 3:26:26 GMT -5
Hlw could we not like you Sherza? I think half the conspiracies and Dumble-bashing on this site is from you |
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Post by sherza on Jul 5, 2012 3:34:24 GMT -5
Hey, can I help it my brain does that sort of thing? *grin*.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 5, 2012 3:37:51 GMT -5
Oh, as far as I am concerned, your brain is doing great. You know I usually agree with you anyway.
How's the Vanishing Glass coming along, btw?
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 5, 2012 3:39:50 GMT -5
I often wonder if your conspiratorial thinking slides into real life as well Don't worry, we all have the brain friend who's suspicious of everyone and everything they do. Yours is just a bit more vocal  |
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Post by sherza on Jul 5, 2012 4:02:32 GMT -5
It doesn't spill over into real life, thank god. I just get all ... Moody-ish ... when it comes to books/movies. Probably because I can sit down and review them again and again, which lets the information (and the resultant plotholes, logic-gaps and such) percolate in my brain until it starts spitting stuff out.
Vanishing Glass is ... about halfway done. My muse is still being difficult, and not letting me write much lately. Grrrr.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 5, 2012 4:04:33 GMT -5
*offers your muse brownies and chocolate if she behaves and does her job properly*
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Post by emeraldink4blood on Jul 5, 2012 11:28:27 GMT -5
The problem with Sirius teaching is that Harry can't see him as often as he can see a teacher on Hogwarts grounds. Don't say they could've moved him closer. No one - except Sirius - would've been wiling to risk it. And Harry would've felt guilty if Sirius was at risk of getting caught because of him.
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