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Post by viralic1 on Jul 5, 2012 11:32:39 GMT -5
Really? They totally could have moved him to the Chamber of Secrets. It's completely secure, and Harry is the only person who can access it, plus it's on the school grounds. Problem solved.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 5, 2012 11:37:09 GMT -5
No one said Sirius should teach him during the school year.
Dumbledore was worried about the connection from the beginning. So, if they had brought Harry to Grimmauld Place at the beginning of the summer holidays, then he'd have had over two months to get started. And even after the Dementor attack, they had nearly four weeks. If they had used the time well, Sirius could have at least gotten Harry started on Occlumency. With at least knowledge of the basics, Harry might have done better with Snape, or Dumbledore could have continued.
So, why did they waste five months and then chose the worst teacher possible?
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 5, 2012 11:39:15 GMT -5
I'm not taking any side in this debate, but I just want to point out that the Chamber was somewhat caving in, and that it would look suspicious if he's visiting a girls bathroom (I doubt Malfoy-stalker-boy wouldn't want to peak at what Harry's up to) Not to mention Sirius would be trapped in there as well and wouldn't be able to have any freedom because he can't leave without Harry.
That being said, the school's huge, and Sirius anyways made the Shrieking Shack his home, so he could be put up there and Harry could sneak out using the Invisibilty Cloak.
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 5, 2012 11:40:55 GMT -5
The invisibility cloak would hide him, as you point out, and only the front entrance is caving. The actual chamber itself is structurally sound, so they just had to knock out some rocks from the entrance, and Sirius was trapped at Number 12, the only difference is he's not locked in his own version of hell, and he can see Harry daily.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 5, 2012 11:46:49 GMT -5
These ideas aren't even that bad. There may be some difficulties, but these could be worked around. It would keep both Harry and Sirius happy, Harry could learn properly without having to put up with Snape ...
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jul 5, 2012 11:55:28 GMT -5
Sirius could have lived in the Room of Requirement. I saw a story set in the summer of 5th year that said Sirius lived in the RoR during 4th year. Might have been a problem with DA and sneaking Sirius in but it could have worked
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 5, 2012 12:02:41 GMT -5
Another good idea. They could have brought him in before school started under Harry's cloak - no problem. Of course, then the RoR wouldn't change, but I am sure they would have found a way to solve that problem, too.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 5, 2012 12:05:01 GMT -5
The only problem I can see is Sirius trying to take more liberties in his excitement, like sneaking out in dog form to go see Harry in the common rooms. He may act grown-up at times, but when he gets overexcited and comfortable, then he does tend to want to act out. He'd have to be constantly watched by someone and warned off...
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jul 5, 2012 12:06:01 GMT -5
Unfortunately they didn't know about the room at that point unless they asked the elves
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jul 5, 2012 12:09:37 GMT -5
That would be a major problem (Sirius potentially running out) but Sirius could do a lot in the RoR and I'm sure Harry, Ron, Hermione, Fred, George and Ginny would come see him every chance they got.
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Post by G. Novella on Jul 5, 2012 12:13:49 GMT -5
Which gets suspicious if they're going everyday, so they'd need to rotate in and out, which could trigger Sirius's impatience. It's an idea worth exploring, but you'd need to pull out cons as well. I can't see the idea being fool-proof.
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Post by viralic1 on Jul 5, 2012 12:22:00 GMT -5
Actually it's not much of a problem, because who cares what the other students would think? There's no way the professors can notice five-six students acting differently, and the other student's opinions don't matter in the long run. With the Invisibility Cloak and Marauders map, there is no way they could be followed.
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Post by physicssquid on Jul 5, 2012 12:24:26 GMT -5
And with the communication mirrors, they could talk to Sirius when they aren't able to visit for whatever reason.
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jul 5, 2012 12:46:39 GMT -5
The only teacher that would care what Harry and co would be up to would be Umbridge and studentwise would be Malfoy probably but don't forget DA had almost 30 students in it and they were able to do their thing for several months. So them running away to the RoR would be possible
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Post by blackroses77 on Jul 5, 2012 21:57:21 GMT -5
And with the communication mirrors, they could talk to Sirius when they aren't able to visit for whatever reason. Speaking of the mirrors-did that plot hole bug anyone else. I mean really, like Sirius isn't going to ask Harry why he hasn't contacted him yet with the mirrors. I can't see him just accepting that Harry hadn't used the mirror once since getting the present. Even if JKR still wanted to kill him off she could have written in that Sirius didn't have the mirror with him while he was feeding Buckbeak. That just really made me mad that she piled on the guilt for Harry. It wasn't bad enough that he felt guilty for falling for the vision to begin with but then she has to twist the dagger with the mirror. It wasn't necessary she could have still had him throw the mirror in a fit of rage to get the broken shard she needed for the seventh book. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 5, 2012 22:08:21 GMT -5
Exactly. That whole thing just bugs me.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 6, 2012 1:13:33 GMT -5
So true, Blackrose! It was really annoying. The fact that Harry had a way to contact Sirius and didn't know/use it was bad enough, but that it contributed to his guilt after the DoM made me so angry. As if the poor kid didn't have enough to deal with already!
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 6, 2012 1:19:44 GMT -5
And then his feelings about it were barely touched upon in book six. Though I think his obsession with Draco being up to something showed the severity of his own issues. As well as an underlying problem with the group dynamic: They didn't trust Harry's decisions anymore, based on the DoM fiasco. Because they didn't trust Harry, Harry might have gone to the extremes he did because he wanted their trust back. And to feel as though he were doing something important, in order to quell the guilt he must have still had. Those thoughts of guilt were left to fester within, after all. And nothing good comes from letting things like that go.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 6, 2012 2:05:44 GMT -5
Again, here I blame first and foremost Dumbledore for neglecting his duty. He was Harry's self-styled guardian and thought he could control his whole life, including who was allowed to write him in the holidays and what, but he couldn't be bothered to take proper care of him, save to throw death traps at him. It would *so* have served the old codger right if his paws broke under the strain and turned dark and took it out on himself.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 6, 2012 2:35:23 GMT -5
In a horribly sad way, it would have served Dumbledore if Harry killed himself. Sometimes, I was surprised that it never came down to that. Then again, without Harry, there is no Harry Potter.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 6, 2012 3:09:52 GMT -5
True. And he would have acted all sad and grandfatherly and conveniencly forgot that he was the one who brought it about.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 6, 2012 3:12:17 GMT -5
Which is very disgusting, if you ask me. I feel cheated that Dumbledore died beloved and adored, and with Harry naming his kid after him! Damn that old man's brainwashing...
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 6, 2012 3:46:24 GMT -5
Do you mean to take that "never" out?
But yes, that was the last straw. Albus Severus ... ugh. And look at how he insisted he trusts Snape and Harry had to right after Harry discovered just *who* overheard the prophecy and ran to Voldemort with it ... I'd have turned my back on the old meddler then, probably even much earlier.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 6, 2012 3:51:55 GMT -5
Yes, yes I do. Damn my fast typing!
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 6, 2012 3:53:35 GMT -5
And I agree completely, Kitty. It's just not right. Harry shouldn't have named his son after those two. And what is with all the "dead person names?" I understand they want to honor family members, but it was taken to a lot of extremes if you ask me.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 6, 2012 3:58:00 GMT -5
It was. I'd probably have limited to middle names. And imagine all the confusion it would cause every time they talk about the dead when the children are around.
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 6, 2012 3:59:33 GMT -5
Yeah. And how is all that supposed to make the children feel? It's rather morbid, if you ask me. Maybe it would have been better to name one kid James and another Sirius?
I'm sorry, but Lily Luna, James Sirius and Albus Severus are all too much.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 6, 2012 4:05:40 GMT -5
And then there are Fred and Molly ...
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Post by kumainpink on Jul 6, 2012 4:09:04 GMT -5
It's just way overboard. Too much of a generation repeat going on, you know?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jul 6, 2012 4:18:20 GMT -5
Definitely. There are so many nice names out there they could have used.
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