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Post by rikustark on Jun 17, 2012 0:16:26 GMT -5
What do you have to say about James, Sirius, Remus, and Peter?
Discuss all of them here!
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 1:22:54 GMT -5
My thoughts:
James: I neither like nor dislike him. To me, he's an alright character but far from my favorite. Perhaps it is because he's dead in the series before it starts, but I don't know enough about him to form an opinion.
Peter: I hate him completely and think he got his just desserts in the end.
Sirius: Adore him completely!
Remus: I like him, but he's also got some faults I want to point out.
1) He doesn't even contact Harry after Sirius dies. I personally felt that he blamed Harry.
2) Attempting to abandon his wife and unborn child. I'm sorry, but fuck no! That didn't sit well with me at all, and I'm glad Harry made him go back!
3) Remus didn't even attempt to find out the truth about Sirius. He just went along with the thought that Sirius was guilty. Then again, Sirius and James didn't tell him about the switch. Even so, Remus should have known that something wasn't right about that.
4) Why did he never visit or check up on Harry? He had to have known what Petunia was like! To me, that's just wrong and inexcusable.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 1:56:32 GMT -5
*nods* You listed my problems with Remus. I like him, but he needs to get his act together.
Plus, to me Sirius was one of the most wronged characters in the series. He had a very likely abusive childhood, ran away from home, then lost the friends he considered family, was imprisoned for something he never did, escaped, lived off rats for two years, spent another year in a place that brought up all the bad memories, was in turn insulted by people like Molly, and then killed. Meh. What was JKR thinking? Why did she build up Sirius so well in PoA and GoF only to discard him the moment OotP began?
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 1:58:48 GMT -5
*cries* Because JK is cruel!
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Post by rikustark on Jun 17, 2012 2:03:04 GMT -5
I think Remus just felt he was..unworthy or dangerous to be in Harry, Tonks, and Teddy's life. Although I do have a problem with the fact that he attempted to leave Tonks and the baby, I don't freaking care that you're a werewolf take care of your damn wife and kid! I don't think that Remus blamed Harry at all about Sirius' death. He was probably torn to bits on the insides when Sirius died and had his own grief to deal with (and his attraction to Tonks  ). I can't really explain why he never writes or sees Harry, it's something I've always wondered myself, but his whole "I'm a werewolf" card applies here. On that note...How the heck did Dumbledore convince Remus to teach children? |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 2:07:16 GMT -5
Probably told him that he needs him to protect Harry from Sirius.
So, Remus had time to be attracted to Tonks, but not to comfort Harry? Besides, he knows he's dangerous only around the full moon.
Personally, I think Dumbledore told him to stay away because Harry was sooo happy at that good place God Dumbledore placed him at, and that he wouldn't want Remus around. Remus looks up to the old codger and is so insecure about himself that he would believe anything.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 2:09:35 GMT -5
Okay, I'll forgive Remus not visiting Harry because of what you guys said. But I still feel my other points are valid.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 2:17:10 GMT -5
No one said they aren't, Kuma! Actually, I agree with that, and Remus needs someone to read him the riot act, IMO. I need to get Sirius to work on that, I think.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 2:20:39 GMT -5
 Thanks! I love Remus, but I just feel he needed to step up, you know? |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 2:30:26 GMT -5
He definitely does. Of course, the main problem is JKR not wanting Harry to rely on any adult because in her strange logic, that would mean that he won't go sacrifice himself. Never understood that, either.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 2:31:43 GMT -5
Me neither...it's kind of a pity that Remus didn't step up. How awesome would that have been?
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 2:36:06 GMT -5
Now you know why I always said one day I am going to rewrite the end of the fifth book and the last two! The bad guys need to be punished and a few more of the good guys to survive!
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 2:37:09 GMT -5
So damn true. T^T
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Post by overcastcrystal17 on Jun 17, 2012 4:21:42 GMT -5
I definitely agree with your points, kuma, and though I can understand that Remus thinks that he is a danger to everyone, and he thinks that he shouldn't be around anyone, i think that sometimes he can be completely idiotic. I agreed with Harry in their argument. He should have had some sense, or guts to do something, instead of just following, or doing something stupid. I love him dearly, but as a person, he should know what is right and wrong, regardless of the fact that he is a werewolf. It would have been bloody awesome if he had done something about Harry's house arrangement instead of letting Dumbledore handle it. Or if he would have realized that his best friend that loved James like a brother, would not kill said brother. I love Sirius, he is one of my favorite characters and tears always stream down my face when he dies.  It's just not fair! He was innocent, that whole time, everyone he knew that wasn't dead turned their back on him and let him be in that horrible place for twelve years. He was most likely abused, in a dark home, and he ran away when he was 16. He ran to the Potters, they were his true family, James was his brother in all but blood, though they were related. I love Sirius, I love that he loved Harry, and I love that he was able to joke and smile after all that he went through. I'm not saying that he's perfect, because he's not, I just wish that Harry wasn't deprived of the person who could be like a father than his dad that dies to save him and Lily. DIE BELLATRIX!!!! I don't know why, despite the fact that James isn't really a part of the story, just overviews and the necessary things, I still feel like I know him. Same with Sirius and Remus. I love the James that Lily fell in love with, and I love the Marauder in him that is like two of my other favorite characters. I don't like or agree with some of the things that he has done, but I know that, had he been given the chance, he would have been a great father to Harry. And as for Peter, I downright hate him, simple as that. |
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Post by Ithiarel on Jun 17, 2012 4:29:34 GMT -5
In my opinion, Sirius was clearly heavily traumatised (even before he went to Azkaban). And in the time honoured fashion of the Wizarding World, no one gave a damn about it. That said, JKR could have worked that angle better. By the time Sirius escaped he was clearly suffering of some sort of PTSD. And occasionally I wondered if he hadn't also suffered an emotionally stunted growth in Azkaban, because he would on occasion remind me of a moody teenager than a grown man. This might also explain is ongoing willingness to accept Snape's challenges even though he should have known that it would bring him no good. It's not unheard of that people who go through an emotionally taxing psychological trauma get "stuck" on their emotional development - and Sirius was hardly more than a teenager when he was thrown to the Dementors. He seemed to always have been immature (read: set back in his emotional development) and Azkaban might just have finished what his parents had already started. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_event_%28psychological%29mentalhealth.vermont.gov/sites/dmh/files/report/cafu/DMH-CAFU_Psychological_Trauma_Moroz.pdf |
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 4:31:53 GMT -5
That was one of my personal cannons once I read through book five. I'm glad it seems that I'm not alone.  Poor Sirius |
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 4:39:49 GMT -5
Very likely, yes. He never got a chance to really grow up. All things considered, he still did quite well.
That's my problem with OotP, btw. After all he had been through, he had to stay in that house where all his problems started, was always told to behave like a good little boy, not to go out, even if he gets nuts in there (what on earth are glamour charms for??? Are they wizards or not? Why not put one on and go out in Muggle London? But of course, that would have removed him from the control of his minders!). He had to endure being baited and insulted while struggling with depressions and nightmares, and when he reacted badly to that, he was called childish and immature. To me, this book was the beginning of the end, where my opinion of Dumbledore and Molly is concerned. For the whole series, actually. It went downhill from there.
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Post by Ithiarel on Jun 17, 2012 4:43:48 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder, you know.
The Wizarding World seems so old-fashioned, so 19th century (or even earlier) in their attitudes, that it seems to me that perhaps their attitude of childhood stems from that time too.
Childhood is a fairly recent invention of the 20th century after all. Up until the 1900s people saw children mostly as "small adults". (6 year old children worked 8 hour shifts in factories, and such)
And since the only "modern" thoughts and developments in the Wizarding World stem from muggleborns, that would go a long way of explaining the pureblood families attitude towards their children.
They simply don't see them as such. They see them as adults, with adults responsibilities and facing adult punishments. It would explain the pressure Augusta put on Neville, as well as the one put on Sirius, Draco and perhaps even Ernie.
And it would explain while the Wizarding World as a whole doesn't seem to care about what a muggle might call child abuse. Because for a wizard it might not be that at all.
(It bears remembering that the end of the 19th century is exactly the time Albus Dumbledore was raised in too. so maybe this also explains some of his attitudes towards his students - namely believing that they are fine dealing with adult problems.)
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 4:45:47 GMT -5
Ithiarel, you've made a good point that really needs to be touched up upon. *applauds*
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 4:57:34 GMT -5
That's indeed a very interesting thought, and I can see how some of my issues with the series could be explained this way. The lack of mental care one of them - back then that sort of problem was just denied and ignored.
They are really backwards. I mean, parchment and ink? Why not something less messy? What they need is a Muggleborn, or someone at least who knows the nonmagical world, like Harry, in charge of some of the highest offices, so they can drag the magical world into the 21th century - kicking and screaming!
I find it always so ironic that wizards think they are so much better than muggles while in truth being centuries behind them in their development, technically, socially and educationally.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 4:59:36 GMT -5
Well, you know the Wizarding mindest... "Magic is Might"
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Post by Ithiarel on Jun 17, 2012 5:04:37 GMT -5
Well, you know the Wizarding mindest... "Magic is Might" *rofl* Yeah. If you think about it, the only thing that a magic user might have in advance of a well trained 21st century muggle, is the ability to apparate. Most other things can be substituted for with something better or at least of about equal ability. This is the one thing that really bothered my about Arthur, too. That he always talked about muggles as if they were cute, furry animals. I found his attitude nearly more derogatory than the Malfoys'. |
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 5:07:37 GMT -5
Well he was raised in a pure-blood home, so I think the attitude is a bit excusable.
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 17, 2012 5:13:23 GMT -5
And while I can understand that he had some problems with muggle coins (really, do they need so many versions of the same worth? In Scotland we learned that they have 3 banks and all three are making their own money. So, three different Scottish and at least one British version of each pence or whatever coin ... great to find yourself through that!), there is the paper money, with the worth clearly on the thing itself! And the way he sees everything muggle as a funny toy. What he needs is someone who forces him to live muggle for a bit. And not only Arthur. They'd come off with a completely new appreciation of the nonmagical world.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 5:18:27 GMT -5
This gives me an idea for a fanfic. Not sure if I'd write it or not, though. The idea centers around this:
Arthur, wanting to know more about muggles, takes a vacation somewhere without his wand.
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Post by MaraudersFTW on Jun 17, 2012 5:21:15 GMT -5
1) He doesn't even contact Harry after Sirius dies. I personally felt that he blamed Harry.
This is the reason he gave Harry of why didn't after Sirius' death and it's a reasonable excuse, afterall the werewolves already mistrusted him for attempting to live alongside wizards. Him writing letters to outsiders would not endear him to them, he needed their trust at the least. However we don't know when he got this mission but looking at Dumbledore's track record it could have been the same or next day. (Remember how after 'The parting of the ways' chapter (?), he told Hagrid to go to the giants, Sirius to rally the old group and Arthur to get ministry employees on their side). I have never thought he blamed Harry.
My biggest problem was not why he didn't contact after Sirius' death but why he didn't contact in 4th year. At this point they know each other but yet he still didn't bother. However, this is a two way process also and so we must not let all the blame (just most of it) go towards Remus, afterall Harry didn't attempt to contact him either.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 5:25:49 GMT -5
I actually forgot all about that little explanation. Thanks for pointing that out. But the fact that he has never tried to contact Harry at all led me to that assumption. His other times really shouldn't be completely unexcused, and even if he was underground, why didn't he try to talk to Harry afterwords?
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 5:28:39 GMT -5
As for Harry not contacting him, can you blame him? I doubt Harry trusts many adults given his childhood, and Remus was revealed to be a life-long friend of his father. I think it would have been painful to most people to realize they'd been completely forgotten, but Harry is used to it. Harry probably figured that if Remus wanted to communicate, he would have.
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Post by Ithiarel on Jun 17, 2012 5:43:11 GMT -5
This gives me an idea for a fanfic. Not sure if I'd write it or not, though. The idea centers around this: Arthur, wanting to know more about muggles, takes a vacation somewhere without his wand. *rofl* He'd be hopelessly lost. Rememebr his attempts at the Quidditch WorldCup? I can so see him pestering his new poor neighbours about every little thing - that most muggles wouldn't even notice as a problem and simply go ahead and do, instead of thinking about it. (like making fire with matches...) ;D But I'm not one to criticise. I've more or less finished the characterisations of the founders for my new Founders-read-Fic - and at the rate things are developing, Luna and Salazar will be shopping in Muggle London before the end of the first book. *lol* |
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 17, 2012 5:45:11 GMT -5
Heehee that'll be hilarious!
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). I can't really explain why he never writes or sees Harry, it's something I've always wondered myself, but his whole "I'm a werewolf" card applies here. 
Thanks! I love Remus, but I just feel he needed to step up, you know?
It's just not fair! He was innocent, that whole time, everyone he knew that wasn't dead turned their back on him and let him be in that horrible place for twelve years. He was most likely abused, in a dark home, and he ran away when he was 16. He ran to the Potters, they were his true family, James was his brother in all but blood, though they were related. I love Sirius, I love that he loved Harry, and I love that he was able to joke and smile after all that he went through. I'm not saying that he's perfect, because he's not, I just wish that Harry wasn't deprived of the person who could be like a father than his dad that dies to save him and Lily. DIE BELLATRIX!!!!
Poor Sirius
