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Post by Ithiarel on Jun 18, 2012 6:39:00 GMT -5
I don't think Sirius would see it as a 'proper' marriage like that. He seemed to stay away from all kinds of tradition. I think he would have given Remus are talking to if he ever saw this going on. So do I, to be honest. I agree. Sirius probably would have, ultimately, gone along with them if they had argued for a marriage enough. He might not have stopped them if they truly believed that they would be happy with each other, but I'm equally certain that he would have been there for both of them if it had not worked out in the end.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 18, 2012 6:41:05 GMT -5
And it didn't seem like it really could have. Don't get me wrong, I want Remus to be happy. And Tonks too! Just with people that they were better suited for.
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Post by Ithiarel on Jun 18, 2012 6:52:53 GMT -5
Perhaps, Andromeda and Ted thought so too and pointed it out. It would explain Remus' thinking that they didn't believe him "good enough" for their daughter. Since he tends to think the worst of himself, he might have interpretated it like that...
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 18, 2012 6:55:57 GMT -5
Yeah *huggles Remy*
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 18, 2012 7:03:54 GMT -5
I know I shoudn't, but sometimes he bugs me with his 'I shouldn't be happy, I'll never be happy' outlook on life when he thnks everyone else should look on the bright side of things.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 18, 2012 7:05:19 GMT -5
Remus really should have tried to stand up for himself, I think. I'm not trying to victim blame him or anything, but it comes off as a little self-absorbed to me.
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 18, 2012 7:13:14 GMT -5
I've read a fic (I think it was mostly crack...OH it was a 'panel show' of the marauders and Lily along with their guests) and Remus had his own Emo book of all his emo feelings of how he doesn't deserve love. that was onyl a small part of it but the fic in general was quite funny (to a 15 yr old, which I was at the time I read it).
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Post by Ithiarel on Jun 18, 2012 7:22:08 GMT -5
The one thing I never got about Remus is, why he didn't just leave.
So, werewolfs are prejudiced and prosecuted by the Ministry of magic. So, he can't find a job or hold one for more than a few weeks. Big deal.
Why didn't he just leave and make a living in the muggle world? Muggles in generally wouldn't get the idea that someone is a werwolf, just because he takes a few days off a month. (And there are jobs where that wouldn't even be overly noticible.) Hell, I imagine that even if a muggle were to believe that he's a werewolf, their reaction might be a lot better than a magic user's one. After all, muggles are well aware of illnesses passed on by blood, or bodily fluids (HIV?) and kind of versed in working with someone suffering from such an illness. And, more importantly, I always got the impression that muggles and muggleborns were a lot more relaxed about the werewolf thing - or at least more aware that it only makes someone a danger for one or two days a month... It is the wizards that are always overreacting...
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 18, 2012 7:23:52 GMT -5
I don't think Sirius would see it as a 'proper' marriage like that. He seemed to stay away from all kinds of tradition. I think he would have given Remus are talking to if he ever saw this going on. Same here. He would want both of them to be happy, and I think he'd be the one who would kick Remus's butt if he behaved like that. He knows him best and how to deal with his insecurities, and he'd put his foot down in that regard.
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 18, 2012 7:27:49 GMT -5
I often wonder that but maybe it has to do with there being no records? though that's stupid because magic can simply create some. And it definitely wouldn't be noticable in a muggle job. I take a day off a month, sometimes more, sometimes I don't even take one. I've had a week off before. He wouldn't even need that many different excuses. Just say you have the flu or something. It spreads very often here anyway.
Or move to a country that didn't have the same prejudice? It's not like he had any ties left to Britain when Sirius went to Azkaban (and he was willing to forget all about Harry's existence).
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Post by Kitty279 on Jun 18, 2012 7:33:42 GMT -5
It would probably be believable for a muggle to say that he gets a very bad migraine from the full moon. I know people who are rather suspectible to certain weather or moon constellations, so why not?
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 18, 2012 7:39:26 GMT -5
I think it's just another plothole of JK's, because I doubt Remus would be that averse to it.
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Post by Ithiarel on Jun 18, 2012 7:53:10 GMT -5
Another plot hole in that regard that always bothered me: Are there no muggle werewolfs? That seems kind of strange to me. Especially, considering that we never saw Fenrir use magic... Perhaps magical werewolfs are few and far between, while the majority of werewolfs is made up of infected muggles. (It might explain a lot about the wizard prejudice against them, and why Remus seemed to have been the only werewolf at Hogwarts for decades.)
But that makes the fact, that Remus never left, even stranger...
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Post by dracosfairmaiden on Jun 18, 2012 7:55:23 GMT -5
I've always wondered why Remus didn't at least try to get a job. As I said earlier, I started out liking him but by the end, I was indifferent. I couldn't believe he'd just abandon Tonks like that. That, and the 'woe is me' attitude he developed.
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 18, 2012 8:00:11 GMT -5
Another plot hole in that regard that always bothered me: Are there no muggle werewolfs? That seems kind of strange to me. Especially, considering that we never saw Fenrir use magic... Perhaps magical werewolfs are few and far between, while the majority of werewolfs is made up of infected muggles. (It might explain a lot about the wizard prejudice against them, and why Remus seemed to have been the only werewolf at Hogwarts for decades.) I'd forgotten, but I used to wonder about this too. I've read fics where werewolves just looked down on using magic because they thought themselves better and stronger than wizards without it and didn't want to use the tool that's used by the poeple who have such a prejudice against them and don't help them.
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Post by Ithiarel on Jun 18, 2012 8:08:49 GMT -5
Another plot hole in that regard that always bothered me: Are there no muggle werewolfs? That seems kind of strange to me. Especially, considering that we never saw Fenrir use magic... Perhaps magical werewolfs are few and far between, while the majority of werewolfs is made up of infected muggles. (It might explain a lot about the wizard prejudice against them, and why Remus seemed to have been the only werewolf at Hogwarts for decades.) I'd forgotten, but I used to wonder about this too. I've read fics where werewolves just looked down on using magic because they thought themselves better and stronger than wizards without it and didn't want to use the tool that's used by the poeple who have such a prejudice against them and don't help them. I remember that I first had the idea of most werewolfs being muggles, when I read about the students writing about posible cures for werewolf bites (not sure which book it was in right now). At that point I thought that maybe, if the bites weren't that bad and were treated promptly, there might be a magic solution on them not bein infectious. And then there was the wizard in Arthur's hospital room, who had been bitten by a werewolf, and Arthur said, they wouldn't know if he was infected or not until the next full moon? That hinted at the same thing, I thought. Since muggles probably don't have a cure for werewolf bites (how can you develop a cure against something you are certain doesn't exist) it stands to reason that most of the muggle bitten or scratched would be infected...
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 18, 2012 8:11:20 GMT -5
That's a good point. I'm not very perceptive so I never really see these things until people point them out.
there was a fic I read once where Harry had "white magic" that could cure lycanthropy. I can't remember anything else about the fic now though.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 18, 2012 10:06:01 GMT -5
Oh my gosh, I remember that fanfic, too! I want to read it again, as it was pretty awesome.
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 18, 2012 10:17:05 GMT -5
I remember that fic just not the name of it
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 18, 2012 10:25:04 GMT -5
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 18, 2012 10:28:26 GMT -5
I was looking to get back into reading that fic sometime. Now I can
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 18, 2012 10:59:48 GMT -5
Hehe, glad I could remind you guys of it then. Was it completed? I don't even remember what the plot was.
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 18, 2012 11:19:55 GMT -5
Snape was sent back to Harry's 1st year to make sure that the 11 year old Harry was strong enough to win the war this time around. It was in Harry's 2nd year or the summer leading up 2nd year last I checked. This story is one of my favorite Snape tutors Harry stories. Usually I hate Snape with a passion but I like him in this one.
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Post by Silvertongue on Jun 18, 2012 11:21:10 GMT -5
Ohhhhh yeah. I remember now. I really enjoyed that fic.
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Post by MaraudersFTW on Jun 18, 2012 11:46:11 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a good point. Where was Remus in GOF? Why didn't he support Harry during the tournament? It's another plot point that didn't get explained. Poor Remus was discarded for that period of time, seriously I just can't imagine Remus not sending Harry atleast one letter after seeing in the newspaper that he was entered in the torunament. This is the same guy who made Harry feel guilty about sneaking out when there was a murderer after him and now that Harry has been entered for a tournament that is infamous for it's death count. I just like to think it's bad writing from JK than a slight against Remus (it just seems ooc to me).
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Post by rikustark on Jun 18, 2012 19:50:36 GMT -5
Could it be possible that Remus did send letters? Just behind the scenes, the stuff that JK didn't think was important for the book? It could be possible. He was completely off the map in GoF. Probably because he just wasn't going to move that plot forward.
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Post by kumainpink on Jun 18, 2012 20:16:02 GMT -5
I don't think so. Not with Harry's reaction to Remus. He just seemed to surprised.
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Post by codygotkilld on Jun 18, 2012 20:23:31 GMT -5
I think that JKR probably didn't see a way to include Remus in GoF or just forgot about him while writing. It could be one of those plotholes that have plagued the series. For example, I am still scratching my head at what time did Draco buy the Hand of Glory for him to use it in the HBP. JKR seems to get way into writing a book that she kind of forget's some details.
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Post by readingwizard4 on Jun 18, 2012 20:36:53 GMT -5
Draco couldn't have gone to Borgin and Burkes twice in a summer or over Christmas Break? Or one of the Death Eaters brought it with them?
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Post by codygotkilld on Jun 18, 2012 21:08:17 GMT -5
Eh, maybe it will be cleared up in Pottermore.
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