How about the Marauders?

[rikustark]

Hopefully Pottermore will clear up a lot.

[kumainpink]

Yeah, because all these questions are insane!

[G. Novella]

I can answer them JKR style right now, ready?

It's magic. it works guys, trust me! Keep feeding me money! Oh and potternore is a sham! We're never releasing the next books, DH? Ha, you'll be dead by the time we get there! But I'll be alive, thanks to magic!

[rikustark]

Of course, how could I not think of that before? ;D

[kumainpink]

*chuckles* Nice one, Gnovella!

[G. Novella]

JKR has a hell of a lot to explain, and somehow, I think she'll just use Pottermore to create elaborate back stories for really minor characters, like, oh, the random ghost at Nick's Deathday and while everyone is dazzled by the graphics, she'll ignore the bigger picture.

[rikustark]

*sigh* And that's the last thing I want her to do.

[G. Novella]

There are way too many plotholes for her to fix though, so its easier to create more I'm guessing, than try and fix the ones there,

[readingwizard4]

The series is good at first glance. If you look deeply into it like most of us now since the series is over we can find the faults we missed at first glance. Also thanks to other fans on the internet I keep finding things in the series that I missed myself.

[kumainpink]

Likewise, reading!

[readingwizard4]

The biggest one I can remember reading online is that Snape hates Neville because if Voldemort chose him Lily would still be alive.
Also Voldemort, Snape and Harry died similarly to the 3 brothers in the story. The order was different but still counts.
I already mentioned the Harry/ Voldemort conversation in Sorcerer's Stone movie about bringing Harry's parents back if they joined together. Priori Incantatem can do that somewhat as well as the Resurrection Stone.
In Book 6 the Gryffindor Hourglass was destroyed after Dumbledore died. In Book 7 the Slytherin hourglass was destroyed before Voldemort was killed.
Things in Book 1 were brought up in Book 7, things in Book 2 and 6 were similar, Book 3 and 5 had similarities and Book 4 was a bridge gap between the early books and the later books.
The one time Harry asked for Dobby's help Dobby died.

These are the ones I remember off the top of my head

[Kitty279]

Jun 18, 2012 22:30:07 GMT -5 readingwizard4 said:

The series is good at first glance. If you look deeply into it like most of us now since the series is over we can find the faults we missed at first glance. Also thanks to other fans on the internet I keep finding things in the series that I missed myself.

That's so true! I've read the first four books so many times, discussed them to death back then, and still, I find more plotholes, mistakes and oddities. And the more I discuss with people elsewhere, the more I keep finding. And some are quite big issues. Oh well, the good thing about it is that it gives us so much to argue about. Though I could have done with a few less plotholes ...

[IceBlueRose]

Well, I have to say that the Marauders are characters that I really wish we had more of. I want to know more about them! My thoughts though:

Sirius: I adore the hell out of his character. Kitty actually summed up my thoughts on Sirius really well. I hate what was done to him and that he was killed off purely because JKR didn't want Harry to rely on adults (since when the hell did he rely on them anyway? He fought tooth and nail against telling Sirius when things were going wrong for him). I love that we can see what kind of person he grew into and had the potential to be if he'd been given a chance to work out his issues from being in Azkaban for so long. He definitely loved Harry - look what he did for him, from breaking out of prison in the first place to living off rats for him to that final battle that he went to simply because he refused to stay home if Harry was in danger.

Remus: Another that people here have summed up very well for me. I like him but I don't like him as much as Sirius. Where the hell was he in GoF? I think a lot of the issues in regards to Remus though are due to JKR forgetting about him and just leaving a bunch of plotholes in the series - huge plotholes that you could drive the Knight Bus through. Part of me thinks that he was deliberately written as keeping his distance for the same reason that JKR killed Sirius off though. After all, if Remus doesn't get close to Harry, he won't rely on him either.

James: He's actually right up there with Sirius for me. I love his character even though we don't get much of him. I agree with what someone else said about not buying the concept of him always being the bully and Snape always being the victim - I think Snape started his fair share as the years went on. But when we got to see him interacting with Sirius and Remus (I sort of just saw Peter as just being....there) in the memory, I enjoyed the hell out of his character before things went to hell. And, okay, maybe I'm just horrible but I enjoyed him throughout the whole thing - Lily's lips twitched like she was fighting not to smile, I didn't bother to stop the smile. Yes, he was a jerk at 15 but he obviously grew out of it. Lily seemed pretty intent on hating him in the earlier years so for her to fall in love with him, marry him, and have a baby with him makes me think he grew up to be one hell of a guy. Plus, I like that little moment of him playing with Harry that we get in DH. I think it shows that he actually grew up - after all, who can picture the guy that was a jerk at 15 and then later runs around with his best friend on a flying motorcycle in front of Muggle policemen to be the type to just enjoy sitting patiently and watching his son laugh at colored puffs of smoke? Not to mention the fact that he dies for his family and is ready to fight even if he didn't have his wand on him.

The Elvendork story that JKR wrote is another reason that I think I love Sirius and James so much. It was only 800 words or so but I grinned the whole way through. They're clearly members of the Order by this point with the way they fight off the Death Eaters but the matching shirts make me think that they've still got that Marauder bit of fun in them that made them do something like "We need team shirts, guys!" I also laugh since this must be when Lily's pregnant since they seem to have been talking baby names and James is so happy that Elvendork is a unisex name. I really wish JKR would write something set in that time because the characters look like a lot of fun.

Peter: I'd love to drop him off a cliff in to the ocean where he could get caught in a ship's engine. I can't stand him. I mean, the other three considered him to be one of their best friends, maybe even like a brother, and he threw that away for what? Power? The memory isn't the best way to get a feel for them since Peter just seems to be a hanger on but if that was the case then why on Earth would James go along with Sirius's idea of using Peter as the Secret Keeper? There was definitely a level of trust and friendship there that JKR doesn't show us and I hate him for breaking that because his act is what broke them all - killed James, he framed Sirius, and then Remus is left alone. For crying out loud, James trusted in him so much that he thought he was safe to just walk around his house without his wand. I'd say Peter must have been a very good actor though.

I just know I'm forgetting things on why I love the characters - imperfections and all - but I'm going to still wrap it up here.

So, yes, I love Padfoot, Prongs, and Moony. Wormtail can get lost.

[Kitty279]

Completely agree with you, IceRoseBlue. You said very well what I feel about James and Peter, too. James definitely grew up, or Lily would never have married him, and he was a loving father. (The growing up is something I'd question when it comes to Snape, though). As far as I am concerned, Wormtail has been striken from the list of Marauders. He just doesn't deserve to be counted as one. I suspect the others helped him a lot to get through school, seeing how intelligent they were. He owes them so much, and that's how he repays them? Ugh.

[IceBlueRose]

Yeah, I'd question him growing up in regards to Snape as well. I can see him toning it down but on the other hand, I can also see him just seeing Snape the same way he always has. In one of the other threads, I mentioned a fic that I love because of how it portrays the Marauders and Lily and it's actually that one that I see as probably being the closest as to what James was. When he reads how Snape treats Harry, he feels like a failure of a father that he's the reason his son is treated that way and he actually starts making the effort to think differently right then and there. Aggh, I wish that one would get updated. *sigh*

Definitely on Peter needing help though - Remus even says it in PoA when he explains how they became Animagi to help him during the full moon. He says James and Sirius were the cleverest in the school or in their year (I can't remember which) and Peter needed all the help he could get from them in order for him to actually complete the transformation. I really wish I knew how they became friends with him because....grrr! *wishes she could strangle the rat*

[overcastcrystal17]

If I could go to the Harry Potter Universe, and stop them meeting Peter on the train, becasue that's where I think they met, then I would, and I would become their friend, help them through the war. I hate Peter, he is dispicable for betraying friends, especially after all they did and went through with him.

[dracosfairmaiden]

Peter doesn't exist to me. I did feel sorry when he was being strangled in DH but then I was like, "Wait, why am I sorry for this traitor? He deserved every pain he ever got." Peter can go jump in the lake.

[G. Novella]

The thing about Peter that I really want Pottermore to tell me is his backstory and why he did it. I mean, in DH when he chose to die instead of kill Harry, that said something about him, I just don't know what exactly it said. I want more of his story so that I can try and understand why such a tiny, horrible man went from a loyal follower to a backstabber. It always made me curious.

[readingwizard4]

The first time I read DH I didn't even realize that Peter had died. My mind blanked at that point. I totally forgot about him until after we got to Dobby's funeral. I then went back and read that scene again. I was totally happy with that being all of Peter's time in the book. I hated the theory that Peter would somehow help Harry in the fight against Voldemort. To be offed with so little page time was amazing

[Kitty279]

And the utmost the rat deserved, if you as me!

[kumainpink]

My thoughts exactly. Traitors are some of the worst sort, are they not?

[G. Novella]

But every traitor has a reason, no one deserts just like that.

I really want to know what pushed Peter to desert, what made him snap. I'm not saying I like him, I just really want to know more about his character and why he became such a bastard.

[kumainpink]

You raise a good point, Gnovella. As much as I loathe the little rat, something must have pushed him. I have two ideas, but they're only speculation:

1) Jealousy. He was bothered by the fact that James and Lily had a budding family while he had nothing. Or maybe it was the fact that James had a lot more money than him. Something along either lines.

2) He had a major crush on Lily, just as Severus had. Peter tried to pursue her and became bitter when he was turned down.

[Kitty279]

That could be, though I suspect that some Slytherins approached him and told him how powerful and important he could be if he joined Voldemort. If he was already a bit jealous, that might have helped a bit. From what Sirius said, Peter would always follow the biggest bully in the playground, and he may have believed that Voldemort would offer him more. Though for me that's not really an excuse to sell his friends out.

[kumainpink]

Peter's character depresses me a little. I'd have liked to see what he would've been like had he not turned traitor...

[Kitty279]

So far, I can remember only one fic where he was a good guy in the end. He became a Death Eater, but later renounced Voldemort publicly.

He'd probably be a rather average type - not talented or powerful enough to stand out, but good enough to get a proper job, and James, Sirius and Remus would have helped him.

[G. Novella]

Exactly what I think Kitty, but I think he's easier to characterize as a villainous traitorous backstabber instead than a good guy.

[Kitty279]

He is, particularly as we don't know much about him than that he betrayed the Potters and framed Sirius for him. Besides, as I love Sirius, that's enough to sully the rat's name in my eyes forever

[dracosfairmaiden]

I was wondering myself what pushed him over the edge. I think it was probably the desire for power. Everyone said as much in POA. They said Peter hero-worshiped the group. He seemed to me as a floater-hang out with the most popular group then when someone better comes along, hang out with them. That's my interpretation of the whole deal.

[Kitty279]

And because he wanted to be involved with the big bad guy, he ended up grovelling at his feet and being treated like scum, instead of being treated like a friend. How ironic.